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I'm not arguing the platform. I'm a NeXT/Apple Engineer alum. I'm arguing the Industrial Design post Steve.

With respect to the iPhone 5 being the biggest seller, that has more to do with expanded markets than its being a superior product to its previous brethren, specifically the 4 series.

Each release of the iPhone has been the most successful smartphone product model in this short history of smartphones.

I expect the iPhone next version to eclipse the 5 but hopefully not just because an additional 1 billion new potential customers in the Far East make it so and more to do with it eating sales from Samsung and other Android vendors.
Go back and watch the intro of the iPhone 4, iPad 2, MacBook Air, iPod Nano, [insert name of just about any product here] and you'll hear Steve making a big deal about how thin said product is. I don't get how people are coming to the conclusion that Steve would have opposed the iPhone 5 design. Were he still alive everyone and their mother would be drooling over diamond cut chamfered edges. :D
 
I doubt it - not only would a 4.8 inch display be ridiculous looking and ridiculously awkward to use, but it would completely contradict apple's "thumbs" ad campaign.

I also find it very irritating how, for example, Samsung advertise their Galaxy S III screen to be "true hd" and using it as an excuse to slam apple, completely ignoring the fact that the iPhone's retina display in ppi is superior. :rolleyes:

1. Samsung uses displays with pentile matrix. That means every pixel can only display 65536 different colors. It is actually impossible for a display with pentile matrix to display a single white pixel; it can only display two pixels side by side or on top of each other.

2. I agree that 4.8 inch is a ridiculous size. On the other hand, Apple could release a _cheap_ 4.8 inch phone and totally take the wind out of Samsung's sails. Make it absolutely clear that the 3.5" or 4" iPhone are the quality products, and 4.8" phones (both Apple's cheap one and all the Samsung phones) are the cheap and nasty things that should be avoided.
 
This is exactly the sort of news that has all but killed current iPhone 5 sales and driven the value of Apple's stock way down. Pretty poor business plan. The ghost of Steve Jobs is rolling over somewhere.

Well, actually...

Apple sold about 50 million iPhones in the holiday quarter. In the quarter when the iPhone 5 was released. It would be virtually impossible to sell the same number in the first quarter of this year. 35 million iPhones would be an excellent number.

Then comes some journal and claims that orders have been "slashed" from 65 million by half. Which is totally ridiculous, because the 65 million are a ridiculous number. Ordering parts for 35 million iPhones is an absolutely reasonable number.
 
I am waiting too (from a 4s under-contract still). The 5 screen size is not big enough for me. I think the 1-hand use issue is overrated as well.

But I disagree about Google Maps and Siri.

Turn-by-turn is worth every penny for me. And when I only have one hand available to use the phone, I use Siri. Otherwise, I'm using the phone with 2 hands anyway.

You think apple maps are better? Google Maps also provides turn by turn which I prefer. The main benefit of siri is I can perform handless operations whilst driving, which is somewhat limited on my current iPhone 4.
 
Well, actually...

Apple sold about 50 million iPhones in the holiday quarter. In the quarter when the iPhone 5 was released. It would be virtually impossible to sell the same number in the first quarter of this year. 35 million iPhones would be an excellent number.

Then comes some journal and claims that orders have been "slashed" from 65 million by half. Which is totally ridiculous, because the 65 million are a ridiculous number. Ordering parts for 35 million iPhones is an absolutely reasonable number.

Unfortunately, perception and not rationality rule the markets. It's just amazing to me that a business as solid as Apple's even has to deal with this nonsense.
 
If there's no innovation this stock will continue to nose dive.

I love my Apple products but I'm hatting AAPL as a stock right now :(

Honestly, the iPhone hardware design has never been an issue for me. I don't care as much about improvements in that arena, because the hardware really is top-notch already.

iOS 7 on the other hand; that better be a HUGE leap in innovation. It's really gotten a bit stale the past few years. I mean, "Do Not Disturb" was a headlining feature is iOS 6. Come on.
 
iOS 7 on the other hand; that better be a HUGE leap in innovation. It's really gotten a bit stale the past few years. I mean, "Do Not Disturb" was a headlining feature is iOS 6. Come on.

you forgot to mention the immensely popular Apple Maps.
 
iOS 7 on the other hand; that better be a HUGE leap in innovation. It's really gotten a bit stale the past few years. I mean, "Do Not Disturb" was a headlining feature is iOS 6. Come on.

With jony Ive leading software design, im sure we will see many changes and improvements coming in iOS 7.
 
There's that overused innovation word again. Do you just mean "new stuff"? Not all new features are "innovative." I really don't think there's been anything truly "innovative" in cellphones since the launch of the original iphone in 2007.

Exactly.

Back in the day we had bricks for mobile phones. They got smaller, but had crappy little grey screens. Eventually we had WAP. We've got to the point now where smart phones have amazing full colour touch screens, are incredibly intuitive to use, can do incredible things, can get online pretty much anywhere, and are lightning fast.

As time goes on there's a lot less room for innovation I think.

A lot of people talk about innovation, but pinning down actual features people want is more difficult.

The top three things missing from the iphone I tend to see mentioned are:

1. NFC - I guess it could be useful, but at the moment it doesn't really seem to have caught on much, and arguably still isn't secure enough. Although possibly has uses around a home for some people.

2. Widgets - as long as I can have up to 324 apps available within two taps, they only seem to offer marginal benefit.

3. Wireless charging - putting the phone onto a mat rather than on a dock doesn't seem much more than novelty to me. Although they probably would be useful in cars.

As for innovations around the corner, not in any phone yet, what sort of things do people have in mind?

Someone earlier mentioned 4k screens in phones, but I thought they were being sarcastic.

Any increase in resolution (with all other screen specs remaining equal) isn't innovation, and would only offer an incredibly marginal benefit to a very small number of users.

Which isn't to say that screen quality can't be improved, as the iPhone 5 has shown.
 
The 5 coincided with my upgrade cycle (every two years), but just didn't offer me enough to part with my 4. I'm hoping the 5S is better than the Samsung S4 or else I may consider switching.

I'm tired of incremental updates.
 
Don't most carriers offer a "free" iPhone 4S with a 2 year contract? Whats the point of a cheaper phone then?

An iPhone costs $500-$800 unlocked / contract free. It's not a common option in the US, but in other markets it is so Apple's hoping to make an impact there with a lower end device.

I doubt Apple would choose to do another non-retina device.

1 - it's fragmentation for developers.
2 - it's ugly. I liked my 3GS when it was new, but I was looking at it the other day and dang, you can't go back from retina.
 
Geez, if you don't like the 17" because it's a "behemoth" or "Boat anchor" I get that, it's to big for what you like, but please stop with acting like it's weighs 50lbs. If you are too big a pansy to carry it around, might I suggest eating more spinach or hitting the gym?

I have traveled with this 17" MBP for years, and I am still alive to tell the tale. And no worse for ware adding 2 more lbs. to my travel bag. Are you sure you guys are not Nutnfancy? just wanting to give me crap about carrying around a few extra oz. for SAWC?

And I see a lot of other 17" MBP out their, I am certainly not the only one.
And that's great they bumped the rez on the 15" MBP, let me just bust out my magnifier for reading small fine print.

I think the point was that sales of the 17" MBP were so small that it was no longer worth continuing with as a product line.

Not that people are too big a pansy to carry it around.

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Define 'regular user'.

A regular user wouldn't notice significantly improved battery life from an IGZO display? A regular user wouldn't notice significantly more graphic intensive games due to the new GPU? A regular user wouldn't notice better shots from the camera? 64GB of additional max NAND storage?

I'm fairly regular, and thought it was a good list.

People keep saying the iPhone hasn't really changed, much, ever. That all upgrades are only minor.

To them I would say try using the original iPhone running iOS 1 next to an iPhone 5 running iOS 6 and tell me they're practically the same.
 
If the "low cost" version has no LTE, then it won't be in the US market, since it wouldn't be allowed on Verizon, and I doubt AT&T would be too happy about it either.
 
No, of course not everything Jobs released was a revolution. But over the past 5 years, all their "new" products have been rehashes of pretty much the same thing, just made lighter or smaller or with a different screen.

All they're really doing is trying to stretch the revolution the iPhone ushered in to its maximum potential, and I truly believe they're reaching the limit of how long they can keep going with it.

But what new products would you expect?

Back in the day there were desktops and laptops.

Over a period of years Apple innovated with the iPod, then the iPhone and iPad.

Now, in 2013, they have a range of devices, covering a range of fairly specific uses on screens of the following sizes:

4"
7"
10"
13"
15"
21.5"
27"
30"

That's pretty much every niche covered, every gap in the market filled, with little room for new products in that ballpark.

And if they ever do an Apple television, that will extend that.
 
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As usual the "passionate" commentators who were so quick to dish out the Apple-is-doomed prophecy do their best to ignore the REAL reason why Apple reduced supply. Just because Apple ignores their minority requests everything Apple does must be evil.


:rolleyes:
 
Exactly.

Back in the day we had bricks for mobile phones. They got smaller, but had crappy little grey screens. Eventually we had WAP. We've got to the point now where smart phones have amazing full colour touch screens, are incredibly intuitive to use, can do incredible things, can get online pretty much anywhere, and are lightning fast.

As time goes on there's a lot less room for innovation I think.

A lot of people talk about innovation, but pinning down actual features people want is more difficult.

The top three things missing from the iphone I tend to see mentioned are:

1. NFC - I guess it could be useful, but at the moment it doesn't really seem to have caught on much, and arguably still isn't secure enough. Although possibly has uses around a home for some people.

2. Widgets - as long as I can have up to 324 apps available within two taps, they only seem to offer marginal benefit.

3. Wireless charging - putting the phone onto a mat rather than on a dock doesn't seem much more than novelty to me. Although they probably would be useful in cars.

As for innovations around the corner, not in any phone yet, what sort of things do people have in mind?

Someone earlier mentioned 4k screens in phones, but I thought they were being sarcastic.

Any increase in resolution (with all other screen specs remaining equal) isn't innovation, and would only offer an incredibly marginal benefit to a very small number of users.

Which isn't to say that screen quality can't be improved, as the iPhone 5 has shown.

NFC: how long has google been slapping that on their phones? Since Nexus S and it was completely ignored till 2012. One big example of just putting things in a phone for the sake of having them on the spec list.

Widgets: very useful given the settings of iOS.

Wireless charging: I agree w you. Gimmicky. Solar charging, on the other hand, may come in handy :D
 
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