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iPhone 5s scan lines with 2014 built phones?
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iPhone 5s scan lines with 2014 built phones?
I've looked at the video and the stills and the link.
There is nothing to see here No lines no flicker no interlace.
Is this a joke?
The only reason that Apple may have raised this to a senior analyst is that no other analyst has heard or seen this. They are just being kind to you.
My three iPhone 5S don't have this. And there is nothing to see in the posted video or stills.
Perhaps it's your eyes? Or maybe iOS 7.1 fixed it?
I've looked at the video and the stills and the link.
There is nothing to see here No lines no flicker no interlace.
Is this a joke?
The only reason that Apple may have raised this to a senior analyst is that no other analyst has heard or seen this. They are just being kind to you.
My three iPhone 5S don't have this. And there is nothing to see in the posted video or stills.
Perhaps it's your eyes? Or maybe iOS 7.1 fixed it?
If he has flickering, it's an hardware problem, so iOS 7.1 has nothing to do with that ...
For the rest of your post, I totally agree with you.
I already had a 5s and my friend has one too and both had those horrible black lines on the icons. Sure, some people can't see it. But it does exist and once you saw it it is extremely annoying.
I just don't think for a price of 900 we should have to accept a faulty screen.
I just don't think for a price of 900 we should have to accept a faulty screen.
Than why not stop the whining here and go to Apple and let them see it for an exchange ? Unless some just want to rant on a forum all day long and get absolutely no where
IF the lines exist, then everyone should be able to see them, so you can take your phone to the nearest Apple Store and have it changed.
I'm very suspicious about lines that someone can see and some other can't ....
Maybe my phone does have an issue but since I'm thinking I don't know what to look for I can't tell.
iPhone 5s scan lines with 2014 built phones?
Well flickering can be caused by software. It's how one writes to the screen and refresh rate
But I was being sarcastic. This is a perception problem. Clearly none of the documented YouTube or stills show it.
Well flickering can be caused by software. It's how one writes to the screen and refresh rate
But I was being sarcastic. This is a perception problem. Clearly none of the documented YouTube or stills show it.
Your iPhone has an issue that you can't notice in your daily use ? Well, so your iPhone doesn't have an issue
How many threads on this forum where people perfectly happy of his/hers iDevice found out to have "a problem" just because told so by someone ? I'm speaking about most of the "discoloration" , "image retention" and "backlighting bleed" threads you can find here ...
I'm not saying there isn't flickering problem on some unit, on the contrary I'm sure there are defective units, I'm just saying it's not a problem for most of the iPhones ....
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Not completely sure, but I think refresh rate on a phone is not set by software.
Your iPhone has an issue that you can't notice in your daily use ? Well, so your iPhone doesn't have an issue
How many threads on this forum where people perfectly happy of his/hers iDevice found out to have "a problem" just because told so by someone ? I'm speaking about most of the "discoloration" , "image retention" and "backlighting bleed" threads you can find here ...
I'm not saying there isn't flickering problem on some unit, on the contrary I'm sure there are defective units, I'm just saying it's not a problem for most of the iPhones ....
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Not completely sure, but I think refresh rate on a phone is not set by software.
It is possible a slew of bad hardware got through quality control. Or it's also possible within tolerance some panels refresh rates are below 60 hz and people, like me, have a sensitivity to it.
But I can't find any youtube video that provides any more enlightenment about what the problem is. Which is why I'm saying, maybe I have it, am used to it, and don't notice it anymore.
Than why not stop the whining here and go to Apple and let them see it for an exchange ? Unless some just want to rant on a forum all day long and get absolutely no where
I don't even have it anymore cause I sent it back. I just wanted to know if the issue still exists before I buy it again...
Yes, it is possible.
But the question is: if you don't notice it , is it a real problem for you ?
A lot of units have them, some show it worse than others. The flickering and the test image is not what I care about, I don't see flickering but I do see vertical lines in normal use. Given replacements received and the fact two workmates, one with a 5c and one with a 5s, also have them I have put it down to a different panel manufacturer being used. It's not a "defect" if this many units have it.
Max has spoken though, we're all liars.
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It may not be a defect but clearly there is a universe of iPhone owners who are trying to understand the issue. I myself examined about 20 phones and didn't notice anything out if the ordinary. Doesn't seem like anyone can really capture this on a recording.
Never speak about liars ...
Btw here we are again: a lot of units ..... based on what ??? I still have to see one single unit with the issue, and I've seen dozens (I checked on four different apple stores in Italy and three in USA for the rattle sound, so I literally examined over 130 iPhones so far).
But you still speak about "a lot of units" .... Still have to see one.
The flickering I am talking about is most certainly not caused by the recording.
But anyway, I still don't see the point of going back and forth "discussing" whether this is a problem or not. That wasn't even the point of the thread and it has been almost completely derailed. This was even noted by a mod...
With that I am going to bow out. I provided the information requested by the OP. It doesn;t seem like the back and forth is going to stop (without a mod closing the thread or posting warngins), so it makes no real sense for me to bother any further.
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And just because your mighty eyes haven't seen one doesn't mean lots aren't "affected". It's easily flipped around pal. Your point of view does not over ride all others.
Many believe it's an LG panel as the Nexus 4 had similar "faults" reported. I base my view on the fact my phone, four replacements from two different Apple stores (and my original was from O2), and two guys in work have phones which display the "issue".
You saying you can't see them and never have doesn't mean there's not lots of screens out there in units in use. Again, I don't think it's a defect now, it's a panel manufacturer and likely to be LG based on Nexus 4 user comments on Android forums.
It's not my eyes. It's not my imagination. I have seen more iPhones with this "issue" that I have without, but then I'm not going to check every single person in the office with an iPhone and ask to see their screen.
I chose two random blokes I work with, one with a 5s and one with a 5c, and asked to see their phones. They also admitted they seen the lines but it didn't bother them, although they're first time iPhone users and didn't have previous retina displays to compare with via long term use like me owing a 4 and 4s.
Perhaps you are lucky that your eyes don't pick up on the lines. Again scanlines is a descriptive term, they're not obviously real scanlines due to the nature of the display. And this phone is far more tolerable than my previous 4.
However with my original coming from O2 via web order and another two separate replacements from two separate Apple stores, it rules out the "bad batch" theory.
You can't see them, congratulations. Stop belittling those who do, your attitude is absolutely stinking.
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The guy below you doesn't even speak about flickering .....
The "problem" seems not to be clear, after all
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The vertical scan lines or interlacing is a very real issue for those who notice. Personally I think it's difficult not to notice these lines. I did NOT notice it at the beginning,but 24 hours after I bought, I was using an app that chose an aqua color scheme, and boom there it was. I did not go looking for this. It's also prevalent when using the keyboard or whatever colors happen to be on the screen.
The vertical lines are a true defect whether Apple acknowledges it or not. I tried my android phone which has a 1280x720 resolution on a 4" screen as well, and the lines are not there, period. And I tried that flicker-inducing image and the image is rock solid and does not flicker. My Android phone cost half as much unlocked, but I still believe in the iPhone mainly b/c of the superior audio quality for music geeks. It's just so clean. My macbook pro retinas also pass the test and do not flicker on that image and of course I see no scan lines. The flickering I agree may be a different issue and not related to scan lines.
Heading over to the Apple store, I inspected about 15 iPhone 5s, and 90% of them had interlacing/scanlines. But 10-15% of them were perfect. I think 1 passed the screen flickering test. I do not care about the flickering b/c it's not a real-world pattern that you'd see. But the scan lines are a major problem on a phone this expensive.
The solution is to hold Apple to their quality standards. Just order the phones from Apple, about 10 of them, and then you're like to find one that's a keeper.
It literally takes about 10 phones to find one or two that don't have this issue.
It's the same type of lottery system when you buy a laptop from Apple. There are obviously yellow screens, unevenly yellow, and only some that are white. It's just the way it goes.
And yes, iPhones starting with the letter "C" in their serial number do not exhibit the yellow tinge, and they are less likely to have the interlacing. That's a real-world problem and it makes it look like the iPhone has visible pixels and like the screen is frizzing every so often.
The vertical scan lines or interlacing is a very real issue for those who notice. Personally I think it's difficult not to notice these lines. I did NOT notice it at the beginning,but 24 hours after I bought, I was using an app that chose an aqua color scheme, and boom there it was. I did not go looking for this. It's also prevalent when using the keyboard or whatever colors happen to be on the screen.
The vertical lines are a true defect whether Apple acknowledges it or not. I tried my android phone which has a 1280x720 resolution on a 4" screen as well, and the lines are not there, period. And I tried that flicker-inducing image and the image is rock solid and does not flicker. My Android phone cost half as much unlocked, but I still believe in the iPhone mainly b/c of the superior audio quality for music geeks. It's just so clean. My macbook pro retinas also pass the test and do not flicker on that image and of course I see no scan lines. The flickering I agree may be a different issue and not related to scan lines.
Heading over to the Apple store, I inspected about 15 iPhone 5s, and 90% of them had interlacing/scanlines. But 10-15% of them were perfect. I think 1 passed the screen flickering test. I do not care about the flickering b/c it's not a real-world pattern that you'd see. But the scan lines are a major problem on a phone this expensive.
The solution is to hold Apple to their quality standards. Just order the phones from Apple, about 10 of them, and then you're like to find one that's a keeper.
It literally takes about 10 phones to find one or two that don't have this issue.
It's the same type of lottery system when you buy a laptop from Apple. There are obviously yellow screens, unevenly yellow, and only some that are white. It's just the way it goes.
And yes, iPhones starting with the letter "C" in their serial number do not exhibit the yellow tinge, and they are less likely to have the interlacing. That's a real-world problem and it makes it look like the iPhone has visible pixels and like the screen is frizzing every so often.
I am sensitive to flickering as flickering lights cause neural issues...I was in the apple store recently not one 5s or 5c had this type of issue.
It's hard to tell what to think.
It's hard to tell what to think.
I've seen this issue worse or better in pretty much every iPhone 5s or 5c in shops in Poland. Mine has it also, it's not that bad but on mine it seems to come and go to the extent that the test image sometimes flickers and sometimes it doesn't, sometimes the flicker is bad and sometimes barely visible. Its more visible when I set full brightness and also just after turning on the display. This is IMHO an LCD panel defect. The LCD also has another defect which I observed in the iPhone 5, when you look at the screen and you tilt the device to the left or right and look closer then usual you might observe diagonal lines, the show at different angles on different phones. Seems to be a pattern of darker and lighter lines probably from the light dispersing layer just behind the LCD. The 4s and 4 didn't have that. Also my 5 and my first 5s didn't have the scan lines and interlacing....
The other factor is that some people don't see the defect at all. Each eye is built differently, even though you have a 10/10 vision you may not see those things on a phone display.... So there is no point in arguing.
The word part of this is that I observed that some other manufacturers have also the same problem. Please search Xperia Z1 compact screen issues, some have the same scan lines as the new iPhones and some have perfect screens. It's a lottery really. You guys in the US are still in a better position then us here in Poland. It's not that easy exchanging phones with such faults where it's not that obvious, we don't have apple stores....
So given that, I will probably wait and see what the 6 has to offer, wait for it to land in shops and investigate the displays and if I see the same culprit then will probably love to a device with an high resolution (damn pentile layout could see the dots even on the Galaxy S5) Amoled display.
Just my 2 cents.
So to everyone, just keep calm, you have to realize the some units don't have these issues and even if they do you might not see them at all due to our imperfect vision, that only leaves me to give one more advice for apple, hire a guy like me to do display testing, I can see everything
The other factor is that some people don't see the defect at all. Each eye is built differently, even though you have a 10/10 vision you may not see those things on a phone display.... So there is no point in arguing.
The word part of this is that I observed that some other manufacturers have also the same problem. Please search Xperia Z1 compact screen issues, some have the same scan lines as the new iPhones and some have perfect screens. It's a lottery really. You guys in the US are still in a better position then us here in Poland. It's not that easy exchanging phones with such faults where it's not that obvious, we don't have apple stores....
So given that, I will probably wait and see what the 6 has to offer, wait for it to land in shops and investigate the displays and if I see the same culprit then will probably love to a device with an high resolution (damn pentile layout could see the dots even on the Galaxy S5) Amoled display.
Just my 2 cents.
So to everyone, just keep calm, you have to realize the some units don't have these issues and even if they do you might not see them at all due to our imperfect vision, that only leaves me to give one more advice for apple, hire a guy like me to do display testing, I can see everything