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I'm curious as to why you believe that a phone with technology from September 2012 should be selling better than one with tech from March of 2013.

This is my point exactly! It should be selling better because it should be cheaper. If it were even $75-$100 cheaper (unsubsidised) I'd bet it would be easily outselling the S4.

I know Apple want to maintain their margins, and they're obviously doing that, but the more they cling to that strategy the more they are seeing market share slip away. You can only continue down that path for so long... eventually it will reach a tipping point where the best app developers don't bother developing for iOS anymore (or, at least, treat it as a second class platform).

Why will developers bother with iOS once Android has 80% (90%? 95%?) market share?
 
And elsewhere around the world, where the price is significantly higher, the iPhone lags in sales.
Not necessarily. In Russia, where people are poor, everything is more expansive than in the first world countries, and phones are never subsidized, in November iPhone secured 9% of the market, Samsung 21%, and the best selling phone was Fly, provided IQ238 Jazz and IQ4404 Spark are considered one model that captured 12% (yes, we collect data like that). If you insist they are 2 different models, iPhone is the best seller.

Being the best seller gives it only 9%, but it captures more than 50% among high end smartphones. Thus I cannot say iPhone lags in sales, more likely "smartphone" in statistics is too broad a category now.
 
You think it actually broadened Apple's customer base? I continue to doubt it.

So, the same people that bought the 5S bought the 5C because that's what they do?
If 5S+5C+4S sales > 5+4S+4 sales, then yes, the customer base is broadened.

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This is my point exactly! It should be selling better because it should be cheaper. If it were even $75-$100 cheaper (unsubsidised) I'd bet it would be easily outselling the S4.

I know Apple want to maintain their margins, and they're obviously doing that, but the more they cling to that strategy the more they are seeing market share slip away. You can only continue down that path for so long... eventually it will reach a tipping point where the best app developers don't bother developing for iOS anymore (or, at least, treat it as a second class platform).

Why will developers bother with iOS once Android has 80% (90%? 95%?) market share?

Read up on market share vs market power. It might prove interesting and you may change your stance.
 
Why will developers bother with iOS once Android has 80% (90%? 95%?) market share?

Because android will never have that much marketshare. Android has always been a temporary solution for Samsung and Google. Samsung and Google will be moving on to a new operating system.
 
This is my point exactly! It should be selling better because it should be cheaper. If it were even $75-$100 cheaper (unsubsidised) I'd bet it would be easily outselling the S4.

I know Apple want to maintain their margins, and they're obviously doing that, but the more they cling to that strategy the more they are seeing market share slip away. You can only continue down that path for so long... eventually it will reach a tipping point where the best app developers don't bother developing for iOS anymore (or, at least, treat it as a second class platform).

Why will developers bother with iOS once Android has 80% (90%? 95%?) market share?


Its not, Android is too fragmented. They may have more overall devices out in the market then iOS. But, people are running various versions of android. People that run iOS tend to upgrade (cause its far easier) to the latest version. Where as android in some cases you can't, and or its not supported on that device (or by the carrier). I'm sure those that know how to get around these issues, do. But, it's not standard.

Lets not forget that Apple has a 64bit chip out before any Android device. Developers are going to look at that as something else they can utilize for there apps. They have a lead on this, which should last about 6 months to a year at least. That means more games, and more powerful applications on iOS first.

Apple has been killing on margins forever. They haven't beaten that horse to death yet, and I doubt its going to happen any time soon. People still "want" there products, they will pay it and happily.
 
Please elaborate. Give real-world examples and a side-by-side comparison. Waiting...

Careful what you ask for.

When you prompt an Android fan to explain why Android is better than iOS, you are going to get responses that show how badly Android wants to be a desktop OS. Android can do all sorts of fun things that a desktop OS can do that iOS can't but in the end, it's a mobile OS so really, beyond the hardcore geek crowd, who cares?

As far as being a really good mobile OS, Android fails. I've used it a lot and it's a complete mess as a mobile OS. Using Android, to me, feels like running around in clothes that are one size too big. Sure, it gets the job done, but boy, is it a hassle and it just never feels quite right.

And none of that is ameliorated by the fact that you can easily access the file system or side-load apps or run task managers or whatever reasons are about to spill forth.
 
Just curious what the Q2 2013 stats look like, when the S4 was newer and the iPhone 5 was older.
 
I know Apple want to maintain their margins, and they're obviously doing that, but the more they cling to that strategy the more they are seeing market share slip away. You can only continue down that path for so long... eventually it will reach a tipping point where the best app developers don't bother developing for iOS anymore (or, at least, treat it as a second class platform).

Why will developers bother with iOS once Android has 80% (90%? 95%?) market share?

Every new survey or study I read says that iOS users still lead other platforms in terms of how much they use their devices to buy apps, buy products, browse the web, and pay for services.

Each. And every. Single. One.

These are the things developers care about.

And you're asking me to believe that the opposite is happening? That all of these articles are the end of an era, and things are turning around now? By all means, provide your own proof. Until then, I think you're crazy.
 
The S4 is a better phone than the 5C.

Not that I agree to the comment. But we realize the 5c is essentially the same as the 5 released last year where the S4 is a current year product?

Hardware spec-wise, the S4 may be better...but the overall picture is broader than that. Including user experience.
Ever tried dealing with Samsung's customer service will paint a different picture. :(
 
It's really a mystery why the carriers don't subsidize Nexus 5, which can be $0 with the usual subsidy.
 
It's really a mystery why the carriers don't subsidize Nexus 5, which can be $0 with the usual subsidy.

Because the profit margin on the Nexus five is so narrow it's hilarious. The bottom line is the iPhone is a money maker this is why carries fight so hard to carry the iPhone
 
3 kinds of lies

Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Relevant comparison is number of iOS phones sold to number of Android phones sold.

Do remember that Macrumors is an AAPL pump-and-dump scheme.

Don't believe the hype.
 
Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Relevant comparison is number of iOS phones sold to number of Android phones sold.

Do remember that Macrumors is an AAPL pump-and-dump scheme.

Don't believe the hype.
and there's no angle to why you post here#
 
Why will developers bother with iOS once Android has 80% (90%? 95%?) market share?

easy: because iOS users are better customers. they spend more than android users. this is a documented fact. what good do a bunch of random android builds in china do for me as a dev? i could care less what the latest freebie phones are running. i want access to *customers* -- people who spend money.

vhat a concept!
 
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