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I just sense that this will be pitched as a slightly cheaper and smaller alternative, not just a different sized screen in the way the iPad is. They'll be some differentiations from the 6S line and storage could well be one of them. Similarly, the camera and possible lack of 3D Touch

well those are all things the rumor state....
 
How so? Ipad mini, air and pro all have 128 options.
All new iphones have 128 options.

I think the rumor is 16 or 64gb, but nothing in their current lineup screams 128 is reserved. All new products have had 128 since they started it.
Note however that the iPad got 128 GB before the iPhone did (HD movies might have something to do with this). It is thus imaginable that a new, low-end phone would not get 128 GB (though the A9 indicates it won't be very low-end). When the iPhone 5c was released (one year after the iPhone 5 upon which it was based technically), it was only offered in 16 and 32 GB versions. The iPhone 5 had been offered in 16, 32 and 64 GB versions. Now an iPhone based on the 6s in many aspects (six months after the 6s was released) but like the 5c it will positioned somewhat below (eg, not 3D touch, cheaper). I don't think it is ludicrous to think that it might also come in lower capacity options than the 6s, eg, in 16 and 64 GB versions, ie, as with the 5c, leaving off the top option.

To pick up your phrase: Not all new products (ie, not the 5c) had 64 GB since they started shipping phones with 64 GB.
 
Last rumor has the new 4" iPhone will have A9, 1 GB LPDDR3, 16, 64 GB storage, 8MP rear camera and 1.2 MP front camera, Apple 6's NFC component and Touch ID. Screen resolution will be the same as that of the 5, 5C, 5S, 6, 6S - 326 ppi.
 
You have that sooooooooooo backwards.

Do you not remember the pricing of the 5c? That was pure margins and very little market share. Expect more of the same. Apple is just hoping to capture some of the folks who have not upgraded since the 4s,5,5s due to the massive displays. They will NOT be going after the mid tier pricing market.

Let's wait a few weeks, eh? ;)
 
I don't think, withholding the A9X was even an option. Putting a 'plain' A9 into an iPad Air 3 wouldn't make much sense. Every iPad since they got retina screens got extra graphic units compared to the iPhone. If the A9X had three cores, an 'A9y' with only two cores could have found its way into the Air 3, but since the A9X has only two cores, that is not an option.
The iPad Air, with it's straight A7, says HI!!!
 
This is going to be the pricing:

iPhone 7+ = $750

iPhone 7 = $650

iPhone 6S and iPhone 5SE = $550

If the iPhone 5SE has an A9 and 2GB of RAM, Apple could have a gigantic surprise hit on their hands

Many people will flock to the phone for the smaller screen AND the $100 cheaper price tag
 
This is going to be the pricing:

iPhone 7+ = $750

iPhone 7 = $650

iPhone 6S and iPhone 5SE = $550

If the iPhone 5SE has an A9 and 2GB of RAM, Apple could have a gigantic surprise hit on their hands

Many people will flock to the phone for the smaller screen AND the $100 cheaper price tag

That seems very right. My only concern is a mid cycle launch could make the price higher. I wouldn't be shocked by only a $50 discount compared to the 6s
 
Really...

There's plenty to be excited about with the 5se that has nothing to do with speed.

2GB of ram. If it's still shipped with 1gb of ram. I think im skipping. The camera in iphone 5S is still good for my quick capture use.
 
What are you talking about? The speed of innovation in the most important product of the worlds biggest hardware company is only going to increase. They are literally marketing the current S-update iPhone with the slogan: The only thing that's changed is everything. And now the full number update is coming to improve on everything that's not yet included into everything. With all the low-hanging fruits harvested, innovation must come in more unexpected ways. Apple is best on things others aren't even working on. Like when Touch ID became Apple Pay. With iPhone 7 we will learn what their plans are for 3D Touch beyond just peek and pop. Every new technology starts out as a gimmick and then becomes indispensable..

Well the iPhone 6 wasn't a large improvement over the 5s at all (only a 30% increase in speed). And I don't care about gimmicky features like 3D Touch, I was referring to speed improvements from the A9 to the A10.

In any case, I don't believe Force Touch will be improved on the iPhone 7. Touch ID was the same on the 5s and the 6. If the trend follows, it won't be until the 7s that a 2nd gen. 3D Touch is released.
 
What are you talking about? The speed of innovation in the most important product of the worlds biggest hardware company is only going to increase. They are literally marketing the current S-update iPhone with the slogan: The only thing that's changed is everything. And now the full number update is coming to improve on everything that's not yet included into everything. With all the low-hanging fruits harvested, innovation must come in more unexpected ways. Apple is best on things others aren't even working on. Like when Touch ID became Apple Pay. With iPhone 7 we will learn what their plans are for 3D Touch beyond just peek and pop. Every new technology starts out as a gimmick and then becomes indispensable.
[doublepost=1455880364][/doublepost]Confirmation bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's beliefs [or decisions], while giving disproportionately less consideration to alternative possibilities. It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues [like screen sizes].

We humans couldn't make decisions and stand by them, if we wouldn't convince ourselves that our past decisions were right. Of course the new expensive thing we've just bought is (must be) superior (far superior) to the old thing we already owned. Otherwise the money would be wasted and we can not allow that. Therefore: "After using X for a few months, I don't think I can go back to Y." doesn't really mean much. Wait until after you've typed on (and bought) an iPad Air 3 with Smart Keyboard.
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I understand and find logical the explanation of the "confirmation bias" although have no idea who formulated it so nicely.:D

However there is a much, much, much, much more dangerous "self justification bias" in humans.
I have no doubt that all the dictators in this world had always and will always believe that they behave and do the proper thing and had and will consider themselves in the highest possible way.
I cannot imagine that any of them sees himself as a murder, son of a bitch, non human, heartless, despicable creature, what would be the absolute truth. :eek:

Compared to that, the above mentioned "confirmation bias" is a tiny human weakness with no serious consequences affecting others and simply making people happier with their own decisions.
So let them be happy. Why not?;)
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Compared to that, the above mentioned "confirmation bias" is a tiny human weakness with no serious consequences affecting others and simply making people happier with their own decisions. So let them be happy. Why not?
Ahem, when the decision was to "escalate the war" in Vietnam and the U.S. president only takes notice in military dispatches which confirm his belief that "we are winning" the war, but ignores all informations that might indicate the contrary, than confirmation bias is not so innocent anymore.
 
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Well the iPhone 6 wasn't a large improvement over the 5s at all (only a 30% increase in speed). And I don't care about gimmicky features like 3D Touch, I was referring to speed improvements from the A9 to the A10.

In any case, I don't believe Force Touch will be improved on the iPhone 7. Touch ID was the same on the 5s and the 6. If the trend follows, it won't be until the 7s that a 2nd gen. 3D Touch is released.

30% is quite a big difference, don' t you think?
 
30% is quite a big difference, don' t you think?

A8 to A9 is big jump in performance! 60% CPU and 30% graphics plus it has 2GB of LPDDR4 inside too! But rumor has it that it will be gimp for the new 4" with an A9 but only half of the RAM and an earlier memory - LPDDR3 inside! It only going to be priced $100 less like that of the previous budget iphone but has more limitations on it to make "double" sure that it does not take away sales of the existing 6S and 6S+ till the 7 series come in September 2016! I going wait till the 7 series just to make sure Apple does not release a 7 mini unless the 5SE is already equal in components to that of the 6S - camera and touch ID!
 
A8 to A9 is big jump in performance! 60% CPU and 30% graphics plus it has 2GB of LPDDR4 inside too! But rumor has it that it will be gimp for the new 4" with an A9 but only half of the RAM and an earlier memory - LPDDR3 inside! It only going to be priced $100 less like that of the previous budget iphone but has more limitations on it to make "double" sure that it does not take away sales of the existing 6S and 6S+ till the 7 series come in September 2016! I going wait till the 7 series just to make sure Apple does not release a 7 mini unless the 5SE is already equal in components to that of the 6S - camera and touch ID!
Yes, 60% is a bigger jump than 30%.
But 30% in a year time is still impressive.
 
This is going to be the pricing:

iPhone 7+ = $750

iPhone 7 = $650

iPhone 6S and iPhone 5SE = $550

If the iPhone 5SE has an A9 and 2GB of RAM, Apple could have a gigantic surprise hit on their hands

Many people will flock to the phone for the smaller screen AND the $100 cheaper price tag

I'm still not convinced that there's THAT big of a market for a 4" screen. Do people really prefer the 5s form factor to the 6s. The 6s isn't even that much bigger!
 
I'm still not convinced that there's THAT big of a market for a 4" screen. Do people really prefer the 5s form factor to the 6s. The 6s isn't even that much bigger!

It is. I hardly can reach the upper left corner with my thump on my 5S ...using the 6/6S with only one hand means a lot of shifting and it's just uncomfortable.... Apple implementing some (imho very unattractive) software hack to shift the screen alone tells you how unfavorable that size is...
 
It is. I hardly can reach the upper left corner with my thump on my 5S ...using the 6/6S with only one hand means a lot of shifting and it's just uncomfortable.... Apple implementing some (imho very unattractive) software hack to shift the screen alone tells you how unfavorable that size is...

I find reachability and 3d touch everything you need to manage 1 hand use on 6S, and I have small hands.
 
I'm still not convinced that there's THAT big of a market for a 4" screen. Do people really prefer the 5s form factor to the 6s. The 6s isn't even that much bigger!

While I love the screen size on my 6 , the total dimensions of the phone do not fit into most of my pockets. Throw in the fact that I mostly use my phone for just the basics about 99% of the time I really feel the disadvantage of the larger phone far outweighs the good for my personal use.

I do see the appeal of larger screens for most people but I rarely use my phone in the same manner. Everyone has their own personal likes and dislikes so I don't assume one size should fit all. If Apple created a phone with less bezel both top and bottom so the overall dimensions were smaller I think the 4.7 device might be more appealing to me, although I do find the width just a tad too wide.
 
I find reachability and 3d touch everything you need to manage 1 hand use on 6S, and I have small hands.

Well, you see, that's your personal opinion and there is a phone just for your preference. However, many don't like the size of the 6S for various reasons and they don't have an option at the moment... heck, as mentioned before, I personally even find the 5S a tad too high for my liking...

And while you may like reachability, I really dislike it. For me, it's an ugly compromise and just un-apple-like. It's a confession that the phones ACTUALLY are too big for what they've been promoting for years and years: that you only need one hand and can do everything with just your thumb...
 
I kinda wanna update my 5S but not really sure why I would get the 5SE.

Its faster but should I care when I think the 5S is plenty fast?

Its got NFC but thats no use outside the US and China.

Other than a better camera, faster touch ID and VoLTE support, will the update be meaningful?

You could say this about anything ever. The 6s guts are about 3-4x as powerful as the 5s, so it's clearly a meaningful update. Camera will also be better, so will battery life, 2nd gen Touch ID is a massive improvement. Will also be thiner and lighter. You will obviously have to upgrade your phone at some point, if you're stuck on 4" screens, seems like this is the way to go.
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Why? Unless they introduce another 4" iPhone a few months later that shares the latest chip and features as the larger iPhone 7 models, the 4" model will continue to be a tech hand-me-down. That's not what we want.

Relax, what are you talking about. The 6s has only truly been in customer hands for about 5 months, not even quite. This is still current tech, if you're going to be salty about this, you're just looking for reasons to complain at this point.
 
Yes, 60% is a bigger jump than 30%.
But 30% in a year time is still impressive.

Not considering that the A7 was twice as fast as the A6, which was twice as fast as the A5, which was in turn twice as fast as the A4.

The iPhone 5s was something like 8 times faster than the iPhone 4, and that was in the course of 3 years. 2 1/2 years later the iPhone 6s is only 90% faster than the 5s.
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You could say this about anything ever. The 6s guts are about 3-4x as powerful as the 5s, so it's clearly a meaningful update. Camera will also be better, so will battery life, 2nd gen Touch ID is a massive improvement. Will also be thiner and lighter. You will obviously have to upgrade your phone at some point, if you're stuck on 4" screens, seems like this is the way to go.
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Not according to the benchmarks.

https://browser.primatelabs.com/ios-benchmarks
 
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