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they just have to increase the supply a little bit every year for the number to increase :p
 
I would be sincerely curious to see new vs upgrade #s.

After reading this article, especially which brought up some interesting points.

Apple just lost the global smartphone war to Google
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/arti...e-war-to-google?trk=tod-home-art-list-large_0

How can Apple lose a war they're not fighting? It's pretty clear that Apple is not interested in selling $100 smartphones in India. They're interested in capturing people as they move up into the middle class. Now maybe Cook & Co. are making a mistake not chasing the low-end. I'm still not convinced though that these Android OEMs really have anything "sticky" that will keep people from switching platforms. Apple has the larger screen sizes now and there is more feature parity between OS'es than ever before. Plus most Google apps/services are available on iOS devices.

I guess time will tell if Apple's strategy is right or wrong in the long run. Quite honestly I think Microsoft suffers more from Android One than Apple does. There's no way they win a war with Google chasing the low end of the market. And those that want and can afford a premium experience chose iPhone or a high end Android device like Galaxy Note before Windows Phone.
 
On Saturday night I was walking here in Miami and saw people making a huge line.

I called my best friend in Venezuela, I am Venezuelan and I told him: look... this people making lines for hours to get a cellphone... they do not have nothing better to do?

In Venezuela people are making lines to buy milk and toilet paper, I understand that but I would never wait more than 15 minutes in my life to buy something, probably a movie ticket and if you go to Disney or a waterpark there is no option.

My friend told me: that is why I left the USA, even I am a citizen I came back to Venezuela where there is a sense of community and not filling up your inner void with material things.

Wow...

Still, today is Monday and people making lines for something they do not need for me is a mental problem.

I got my iPhone 5 like 6 month after, still in perfect shape. I saw the 6 and the screen is bigger and it helps a lot, but my life does not depends of it and no ones life does. Again.. pretty empty life's to make aline for a phone.

Some people almost "live" in technology. It is how many people keep in touch and interact with friends. Some people even have friends they have never met in real life. I have one. I gamed with a friend I have known since 2005. These are friends I interact with through technology.

Point is, a cellphone is a very personal device that touches many aspects of some peoples lives. Banking, email, texting, work, emergencies, entertainment, movies, music, pictures, note taking, talking, shopping, maps, directions, reference, learning etc. A cell phone is no small thing in today's world.

In some places, I imagine they would probably kill someone for messing with their Ox. Or travel far and wide to obtain a new one.
 
On Saturday night I was walking here in Miami and saw people making a huge line.

I called my best friend in Venezuela, I am Venezuelan and I told him: look... this people making lines for hours to get a cellphone... they do not have nothing better to do?

In Venezuela people are making lines to buy milk and toilet paper, I understand that but I would never wait more than 15 minutes in my life to buy something, probably a movie ticket and if you go to Disney or a waterpark there is no option.

My friend told me: that is why I left the USA, even I am a citizen I came back to Venezuela where there is a sense of community and not filling up your inner void with material things.

Wow...

Still, today is Monday and people making lines for something they do not need for me is a mental problem.

I got my iPhone 5 like 6 month after, still in perfect shape. I saw the 6 and the screen is bigger and it helps a lot, but my life does not depends of it and no ones life does. Again.. pretty empty life's to make aline for a phone.

Cool story bro. Sorry but millions of people disagree. And in third world countries like Venezuela, they would just as soon kill you and take your phone than buy one.
 
How can Apple lose a war they're not fighting? It's pretty clear that Apple is not interested in selling $100 smartphones in India. They're interested in capturing people as they move up into the middle class. Now maybe Cook & Co. are making a mistake not chasing the low-end. I'm still not convinced though that these Android OEMs really have anything "sticky" that will keep people from switching platforms. Apple has the larger screen sizes now and there is more feature parity between OS'es than ever before. Plus most Google apps/services are available on iOS devices. And those that want and can afford a premium experience chose iPhone or a high end Android device like Galaxy Note before Windows Phone.

I guess time will tell if Apple's strategy is right or wrong in the long run. Quite honestly I think Microsoft suffers more from Android One than Apple does. There's no way they win a war with Google chasing the low end of the market.

I think the headline is link bait (like many on here). I do find it interesting to think about long term strategy. Clearly different business models.
 
How's the view from under that bridge?

You just posted this long diatribe about how horrible the experience was at the Apple Store, and how you know in your heart of hearts that Apple is gaming the system to conspire against their customers. Then you go on about the ugly, buggy phone that you just bought, and how your new phone is no better (in fact, in your opinion maybe worse) than your 5S. I suppose my question to that is why on earth did you buy the new phone?!!?

As far as courier deliveries are concerned, perhaps you have no insight into how Apple is managing their online inventory. Perhaps they have devices in the pipeline that their inventory system knows will be delivered first thing on Monday morning, and the employees are not aware of the pallets the day before.

It’s a tight balance on the supply chains of producing too many phone or too little. Having 10m phones in 8 countries ready to roll is fairly impressive logistics. 3 years this would have been impossible feat to achieve for any product. 5 years ago it would have been a US only launch now is global. iPhone aside I find it an amazing effort to get this product to market and sold in the manner in which they do. From announcement to a launch one week later, into people’s hands around the world the same weekend. I don’t think they’re constraining as much as producing 10m of anything is hard work, especially when the product relies on several other component manufactures to produce their product parts for Apple.
 
Because they are not sold. As long as you can go back to the website and cancel your order, it's not sold. Of course Apple could say for example "10 million preorders" if they have 10 million preorders, but not "10 million sold".

I believe you are correct. They count units sold only when a charge is processed. So that would be items already shipped, or bought in person.
 
Did TC say anything about the split between 6 and 6plus sales? I really want to know if the 5.5 inch phablet is as popular as people keep claiming it is.
 
10 millions does not look good. I guess the number also includes channel fill. Apple stores have lots of unsold iPhone 6.

10 M is booked sales. Apple's actual sales are not a mystery, they are very open about their actual numbers unlike Samsung which does include channel fill. Last year, it was 9M using the same metric with China included! If they had launched in China they probably could have sold 2-3M more.

Considering the average selling price probably is around $800 dollars. They just make 8 Billion dollars in revenues (5B in gross profit). Not bad...
 
Because "Apple just lost the global smartphone war to Google"

People have been saying this since 2011. And yet Apple is selling more phones than ever before and their profits are most likely greater than all Android OEMs (excluding Samsung) combined.

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Did TC say anything about the split between 6 and 6plus sales? I really want to know if the 5.5 inch phablet is as popular as people keep claiming it is.

Haha good luck getting Apple to ever break down the sales figures. They've never done it with iPads, I doubt they'll do it with iPhones either.
 
DoCoMo in Japan have stock of all models (6 and 6 plus, all sizes and a colors) in various stores. Seems they ordered too many phones (having just started selling iPhones with the 5s, maybe didn't realize their 24 month contract puts people on a 2 year refresh cycle). Amazing.

They'll sell it within a few weeks anyway... Maybe to be shipped to Chinese for a profit ;-).
 
Screen is fine
a bigger battery? sure they could of made it thicker to get a bigger battery but what do you really think you get from a bigger battery? maybe an hour or two of use, big whoop

ugly antenna bang - I agree but a case fixes this, also I look at the screen more than the back

base storage could of been 32GB but apple knows that would kill sales of the mid range capacity, most that buy 64GB dont really need 64GB but they want more than 16GB(if base was 32GB, less would go for the mid range 64, becasue 32 would be a comfortable number)

no wireless charging - I have heard of it but do not understand the love for it, there are AC outlets everywhere

no plastic version - maybe next year apple usually does a new phone than does the S or C version the next year

Sapphire Glass only helps for scratches, not drops so its sort of nice but not as important as glass that is drop proof

And the battery performance on the 6 smacks most androids. Source? Anandtech.
 
People have been saying this since 2011. And yet Apple is selling more phones than ever before and their profits are most likely greater than all Android OEMs (excluding Samsung) combined.

Its the old marketshare vs profit argument. To me marketshare is a useless metric if looked at alone.

Regardless, I think it's obvious that any company would prefer profits over market share. The pissing contests really only take place on forums. No chance any CEO is saying forego all profits, we need share!
 
Its the old marketshare vs profit argument. To me marketshare is a useless metric if looked at alone.

Regardless, I think it's obvious that any company would prefer profits over market share. The pissing contests really only take place on forums. No chance any CEO is saying forego all profits, we need share!

I don't think one or the other alone is useful. Each method has it's own sustainability pluses and minuses.
 
I don't think one or the other alone is useful. Each method has it's own sustainability pluses and minuses.

Call me old fashioned but I would like to make profit over market share. Why do tech folks always obsess over market size. Should BMW make a ford focus car? Should Longhorn Steakhouse have a dollar menu?

seriously
 
I got my 6 (no plus sizes here thank you). I was not sure but walked by an AT&T store with almost no line so took a chance and went in. After playing with them it was clear that Apple did this well. I am still not comfortable with the phone in my hand when holding on to the rail on the bus. But it is much better than expected. And the larger screen does provide for a little better reading for these old eyes.
 
Hmmm....not so sure about this list

iPhone6 :

- Bad screen aspect ratio - should be paper A6
- Too thin → Protruding camera, rather than longer battery life and flush lens
- Ugly antenna bands
- No OIS on basic model
- Base storage should be 32GB
- No wireless charging
- No iPhone 6C with all-plastic back
- No sapphire screen

1. A6 aspect ratio? Like it or not, Apple has decided that phones shall be 16:9. As we've seen repeatedly, Apple can change but iPads are 4:3 and iPhones are 16:9.
2. Perhaps the protruding camera is the result of a last minute technical inability to fit the needed camera features into a predetermined thickness. It's entirely imaginable that the 2nd generation iPhone 6 could have a flush camera. Or perhaps the protrusion will be used for add on lenses in the future.
3. Ugly bands? The silver and space gray are very nice in my opinion. I don't like the gold phone in general so I won't/can't comment. So it's really a "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" type of situation.
4. No OIS on the 6? Similar answer to #2. They are jamming a lot of tech in that little camera module, plus additional features on the premium version is hardly a new concept.
5. Base storage of 32gb -- yeah, I think they got this one wrong personally. Purely a money grab...but makes the 64gb for $100 even more enticing.
6. Wireless charging: please articulate. There a really two camps here: inductive charging where the device lays on a charging pad or something similar or proximity based charging where the device charges by grabbing electricity out of the air when it's near some charging device. The first type is feasible but would add bulk and cost to the system, with little benefit for the masses. It would require you to carry a larger, more expensive device to charge your phone, car chargers would be more expensive...and so on. The second idea while fun to imagine, is hardly ready for prime-time and is even more expensive. It's a cost/benefit analysis exercise that today comes up with a shared data/charging port solution in Lightning.
7. Iphone 6C? Now you're just being crazy. It seems that Apple has concluded that the world wants the premium, metal type of phone and the plastic backed 5 was an "experiment" wouldn't be surprised to see the 5C drop off the line up next summer.
8. Sapphire screen: reports indicate that the cost to cover the screen of a phone sized device in sapphire would add an extreme cost over the same sized piece of Gorilla glass. They're clearly doing something with sapphire but it seems that it's not for the phone this generation, if ever....
 
That is a lot of virtual Apple wallets out there now!

Took a look at them at a local Apple store. They look so much better in person and the 6 Plus looks a lot smaller than I was expecting. Very nice, if they keep the design for next year I know which one I will get. Still on my 5S on contract, I know a lot of people get a new one each year but I am still happy with my puny phone :)

I was also able to check the sizes in an ATT store.

The 6plus, appeared to be too big for my taste, however I think that the acceptance of the 6 plus will be based on how people work with it.

For example if you are on it all day with e-mails, looking at pdfs, spreadsheets etc. two hand use, a mini tablet experience is okay.

If you just make mostly calls and text, I think the 6 is sufficient.

Too much traffic in the store and not a long enough leash on the demo models to ask them to allow me to put the 6 plus into my front jeans pocket to see if that fit is tolerable.

For now the 6 will probably be my choice, but I'll check a few more times.

Also, with the products now officially released the case makers can fine-tune what they offer. I will not leave my iPhones unprotected.

Lastly, the craftsmanship, feel , appearance and look are beautiful!
 
I think the headline is link bait (like many on here). I do find it interesting to think about long term strategy. Clearly different business models.

It's just a rehash of the same stuff that has been said for many years. It seems to me Apple is trying to eliminate as many Android advantages as possible (from a hardware and software perspective). They're willing to cede the low end to Android, almost treating it like a starter phone and once people move into the middle class and have more disposable income they may migrate to iPhone as there's nothing that sticky on the Android platform. And Apple obviously believes they have the superior ecosystem and customer service (of which people are willing to pay a premium for). I think what Apple's done with the Watch shows they have zero interest playing at the low end with all the Android OEMs. Let Samsung, LG, Sony, HTC fight amongst each other (and Chinese vendors).
 
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