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Whoever you spoke with at Apple was wrong. Unless you've enabled the "Erase Data" option, you can enter wrong passcodes all day long with no ill effects.

God what I wouldn't give for this to be true. I would LOVE that dude to be wrong. I'll call tomorrow and ask to speak to someone else, though he was the supervisor of the first person I spoke to. Still, he seemed to be like...10 years old... so can't hurt to try. Thank you. Believe me if I find out he was wrong, you'll be the first to know. I'll owe you some serious Stumptown! ;)

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You can keep telling us what "they" said. Here is the facts from Apple's support site. http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1212 Also tells you what can be done. Disabled does not mean erased. The phone will be locked for a period of time. If 6 times in a row failed then it becomes disabled. It's a security feature. Usually with third party apps you will have to unlock the phone for the app to access the phone. I use iPhone Explorer on my Mac and have to unlock my phone for the file system to show up in the app.

And the reason there is no "back door" was explained several months ago when Apple said that current and future ios's will not have any kind of back door to make it difficult for not only hackers but an over zealous government that will try to use any excuse to get personal data from people. Apple said it did not even retain any operating system key to be able to unlock it. It's a privacy issue to have a back door.

Huh. Wish I'd read the memo! Don't know how I managed to miss that but then, yes I do. I don't pay close attention to Apple most of the time - don't have time to. I usually LOVE them and defend them left and right to my android friends. Sigh...
After 6 times it becomes disabled...it's a security feature... when you say disabled are you saying just disabled for X amount of minutes, or just until you reset the phone, which is no different from erasing (in this case, imo)? Just curious. I know you're saying it's not erased, so I'm just trying to get clarification there. If permanently (until you reset the phone, which is when you lose all the photos), then yes that's consistent with what I've been told.
 
I feel like Apple should be giving a MAJOR warning to ALL customers when they first get their phones (not all of us are as tech savvy as most of you here) about what can go wrong and to what extent, if you should happen to forget your passcode and not back up regularly.

Umm, let's see. Back then in 2007 or so, we had no iCloud and no Photostream and the only way you can back up is physically via iTunes (which means you'd lose all data since the last time you backed up). Fast forward to today, we have iCloud and Photostream to keep our data and photos especially safe, and the days of worrying about the last time you backed up are over. Yet you think it requires a MAJOR warning from Apple?
 
Umm, let's see. Back then in 2007 or so, we had no iCloud and no Photostream and the only way you can back up is physically via iTunes (which means you'd lose all data since the last time you backed up). Fast forward to today, we have iCloud and Photostream to keep our data and photos especially safe, and the days of worrying about the last time you backed up are over. Yet you think it requires a MAJOR warning from Apple?

Ok well listen... i was freaking out when I wrote that but my main point wasn't about generally backing up. Of course we should back up our stuff. My "major warning" comment wasn't abut backing up in general, it was about that OTHER thing I've been ranting about. I don't think I need to explain myself further cause I'm assuming you understand the issue. There's a lot of typical non-nerdy type people out there with their minds on other things, who don't expect their pics will be lost just because they forgot their passcode when they DIDN'T set their phone to erase it under any circumstances. In fact the whole informing us that we have a choice to either have things erased, or not, implies just that: or NOT. But there was no "or not" in my case. I don't see why you don't get that, but whatever...
 
After 6 times it becomes disabled...it's a security feature... when you say disabled are you saying just disabled for X amount of minutes, or just until you reset the phone, which is no different from erasing (in this case, imo)? Just curious. I know you're saying it's not erased, so I'm just trying to get clarification there. If permanently (until you reset the phone, which is when you lose all the photos), then yes that's consistent with what I've been told.

As a few have mentioned here already, unless you set the phone up to wipe after 10 unsuccessful passcode attempts, you can type passcodes in forever. Or as long as the phone can still power up. Attempting passcodes really is your only option if you've never backed up to a computer or iCloud. FWIW, (not much) I worked as an AppleCare iOS Advisor. If you haven't already, jot down the codes you've tried on paper or a spreadsheet so you don't waste attempts.
I don't know anyone who has never forgotten a password. It sucks.
On the topic of backups (I've lost data before): Whether it's a computer, a phone, or a memory card in a camera while on vacation... If the data is only in one place, I figure it's already lost.
Good luck! I'm sure if you keep at it, you'll get into that phone eventually.
 
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ope it helps

It just seems like there should be a back door, one that Apple can allow you into once you've proven your identity (or provided a death certificate, etc.). So I do get being somewhat upset with Apple.

There are security reasons behind this and many here have giving you most of them already. Apple as friendly as they seem to be, would not like to be liable for privacy and security breach due to user errors. I remember few years back I read a story about how apple friendly password recovery and reset option lead to big demand, were the affected person had their information stolen because a stranger called apple and had the Apple ID reset with a new password. Since then and because of many other user errors that companies like Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc. these companies become more and more concerned about security and privacy. who would like to pay a lot of money because I was trying to help someone that needed their information recovered and it was not the right person? so having said that, there is a solution to your problem and I actually recreated the issue you are having on my iPhone just to make sure.

1-The iPhone you have has to be connected to the computer that you had used in the past to bak it up,

2- though you might have back ups on you computer of iPhone named with your name, if you place the pointer on top of the back up files in iTunes (iTunes>preferences>device>)it should give you the IMEI number of the phone that was back up, you can verified this on the back of the device

3-if the back up match the device IMEI number with the one in the phone that means that there is hope

4-If all matches you should be able to at least back up the device to the computer before erase.

5-once erase restore the device and restore from backup which is the option you get on iTunes after restoring to factory settings, do not restore back up because the latter will bring the passcode back

I get that you are upset with Apple but stories always have two sides, I do not say Apple is right but I do understand the why behind all this privacy and security concern.

So best of lucks, and hope you can at lest get some back with the other ideas that people have been given you.:)
 
greenone is not wrong! lol

As a few have mentioned here already, unless you set the phone up to wipe after 10 unsuccessful passcode attempts, you can type passcodes in forever. Or as long as the phone can still power up.

I regret to tell you that in this case you are wrong Rickdollar, I don't know if older versions might have let you do infinite number of passcode. I know for a fact that if many wrong attempts to unlock your phone would lead to the phone being completely disable (with the option of erasing data after 10 times set off), and if you don't believe me try it but back it up first lol. because once the phone is disable, the only option left after that is to erase the phone to factory settings. HT1212 apple support article.
 
As a few have mentioned here already, unless you set the phone up to wipe after 10 unsuccessful passcode attempts, you can type passcodes in forever. Or as long as the phone can still power up.

I regret to tell you that in this case you are wrong Rickdollar, I don't know if older versions might have let you do infinite number of passcode. I know for a fact that if many wrong attempts to unlock your phone would lead to the phone being completely disable (with the option of erasing data after 10 times set off), and if you don't believe me try it but back it up first lol. because once the phone is disable, the only option left after that is to erase the phone to factory settings. HT1212 apple support article.

That article that you're talking about says exactly what we've all been trying to tell the OP in this very LOOOOOOOOOOONG thread. You have a certain amount of attempts. After all those fail, your phone is disabled for a certain amount of time. You can then try another passcode after that time expires. If you fail, the phone is disabled and the time is increased.

The phone will only erase itself if YOU set it to do so. I don't care what the "apple guy" told you.

So either figure out the passcode, or buck up and erase the phone. Theres no other way. Stop wasting everyone's time here. Including your own.

Afraid you'll have to activate it with the apple id if you erase it? Don't know the password to that either?

These things were put in place to deter people from stealing our devices.

Sure have been a lot of "woops i forgot my password, help me bypass" threads lately..............
 
My advise is to quit obsessing over the photos. They aren't nearly as important as you are making them out to be.
 
Maybe it's a silly idea but I just registered on the site (long time lurker) to post it...

Maybe one of your kids has deleted your touch ID and has saved his/hers.
Why dont you try unlocking the phone with their fingers?
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Help me Obi Wan Macrumors...you're my only hope!!! Truly!

I'm sorry this is so long... if you want to skip past my back story, go down to the bold font.

I'm dying here, and even though it's my own fault, I can't help but feel really upset with Apple. I'm really worried - please advise (true advice - don't just say how stupid I am please...I know this forum can be pretty mean at times)!

Back story: I never had so many problems with my old 4S and its software and just...the way things used to be. Since updating my Macbook Pro software to the latest version and same with the new phone, I somehow now have lots and lots of duplicates of photos and videos. Because of this, my laptop became maxed to its limit - no more room for most anything else, and even my iPhone with 64gb keeps telling me I'm close to filled up.

iCloud is still pretty new to me and I haven't loved it because I haven't made the time to understand it. Because of my ignorance it's been a serious PITA. E.g. constantly asking for passwords to enable or use it even if I'm not trying to use it... it's like getting phonecalls at dinner time (okay that was a weird analogy). And plus I was worried it was sending photos to my laptop that was too close to full (again: ignorance) so I monkeyed with it till it was disabled. Unfortunately because of yet more ignorance, I was afraid that if I made more room to allow backup - by moving everything or some to my external HD, and then tried moving some of it back later - it might not look right coming back, not being an Apple ext. HD. I wanted to get help at my local Mac store in doing this but life got in the way. HUGE mistake, since my last synching/backing up was in mid-October!

SO the other night I was drinking wine while watching a movie with the fam (big lesson learned here) and my 8 year-old phone thief kept trying to sneak away my phone (he keeps sneaking up behind me and watching me type in passcodes so I keep having to change them). So yet again, I right then and there put in a new passcode. The next day, I thought I remembered it (I've always memorized by visual pattern, not significant numbers) but I was wrong. Several tries later... When all was said and done, I found myself where I am now. Where is that? It's here:

I have ONE last shot. If I don't get it right, all my photos et al will be lost forever. Halloween, my b-day, my best friends' b-days, my parents' b-days, my 95 year-old grandmother's bday and her talking on video and all of us being there and she's not expected to live much longer, Christmas, and all the important pics and videos of my kids. :( I had the fingerprint thing going on but that doesn't matter (thanks apple). I lock my phone every time I set it down so as not to butt-dial people but because I lock it, my fingerprints mean nothing. Stupid ***** passcode required, once again. And then again, nothing's been stored in iCloud. Did I activate the setting that makes the phone wipe clean should too many attempts be made? NO. But it's what Apple does by default, after X amount of tries. Again, thanks a lot Apple. As I'm sure many of you know, Apple doesn't wipe out all my valuable data per se, but they make it so that the ONLY option after too many failed passcode attempts is to restore the phone which is the same thing. You lose everything after your last backup. And needless to say, you can't back them up when you don't know your passcode, so it's too late to backup.

I feel like Apple should be giving a MAJOR warning to ALL customers when they first get their phones (not all of us are as tech savvy as most of you here) about what can go wrong and to what extent, if you should happen to forget your passcode and not back up regularly. I feel misled by having been fully aware of the option to set the phone to wipe clean if X amount of failed password attempts BUT KNOWING ABOUT THAT OPTION, I knew not to do that to myself for exactly this reason. It wasn't made obvious to me that it'll happen ANYWAY! I didn't expect to have so many problems with iCloud or duplicate photos filling up my devices!! Instead I was super careful not to lose or damage the phone, believing that was the only thing that could go wrong (how I'd potentially lose my valuable photos). I simply didn't know this is how Apple does things re. the passcode, the other night, when I was typing in possible codes to get into my phone. If I'd known, I would have taken it all much more seriously, gone slower and wrote each possible one down, noting which ones I've already tried, etc. If I'd known I could lose everything by forgetting my own password, I would NEVER have put in a new one without writing it down. And no, I have no clue what i haven't tried - what it might be.

I've gone as high up as I can go at Apple without hiding in the cars of their engineers and pouncing on them. I get their need to protect their customers but if their customers can prove we're who we say we are, down to tiny details about our lives, we should be able to get past this nonsense. This is awful. I feel like my only choice is to just stop using the phone and get a new phone (!) cause I can't be the one to pull the plug on these photos! DAMMMMIT! Maybe in 5 years they will have pulled their heads out of their arses and come up with a way to bypass the passcode thing, for their customers' sakes!!! And then I won't have given in and given up all those valuable photos - especially my grandma. :(

I KNOW it's my fault, and I'm an idiot. But does anyone have any idea what I can do? There's third party software...even the Apple rep. suggested I try that at this point (he also said to try plugging phone into a PC but that didn't work)... but from what I've read, Apple's gotten so tight on security that even third party software can't break in now. Can I just put aside my phone and get a new one, without disabling my old one? I'm sick about this. This feels really really wrong. It's one thing if something accidentally crashes or if a phone gets lost or damaged but this feels really ****** and for the first time ever makes me feel seriously ambivalent about Apple.

Thank you for reading all that...

First of all apple is not at fault at all here. zero. its all on you.

second, you mention that you use your fingerprint but at the same time had to change the lock code from the kids? so which is it? Do you use the fingerprint or not??

You also state that fingerprint stops working when phone is locked.. that's not true at all. If you restart the phone then that will require the passcode.

If you would of stopped using the passcode and stuck to touch id your kids or whoever would of never been able to get it.


This reminds of the bent iPhones. people drop it and say, stupid apple...
Or they drop it and the screen breaks.. stupid apple !
 
Not much help now, OP, but in the future I'd recommend getting some sort of app that automatically uploads your photos to the cloud. I use One Drive and when I take pictures, they automatically upload to the cloud when I'm connected to wifi.

Also, you need to teach your 8 year old phone thief not to touch your phone without permission and provide adequate consequences when he disobeys.
 
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Sorry friends, there is no way around the passcode. And if you enabled the 10 passcode wipe, it will indeed wipe your device to factory settings. Nothing will be safe.

I personally manage 3000 ipads at my company, and we see this all the time. I have the ability to clear passcodes from our mobile management system, but thats the only way. If its a user owned device, you need to put it into DFU mode, and restore it from itunes. At that point it will still be activation locked to your apple ID, and you damn well better have and know your apple ID and password or that device is a brick.

So to the OP, if you are legit and this is your device, DFU mode to restore it then unlock the activation lock with your apple ID and PW. If you are a thief or you found this phone, turn it in so the real owner can have it back. Otherwise its a complete brick to anyone but the owner of that apple ID.

And furthermore, apple WILL NOT EVER reset your apple ID for you and give it to you over the phone no matter how much info you have and can verify. You will need access to the email address you used with the apple ID if you need to reset that password too.

Trust me guys, I do this for a living(Apple mobile administrator). This is the only options you have. Goodluck.
 
The only thing I can think of is to post in the jailbreak section of the forums, maybe someone can think of a way to get photos off, but don't get your hopes up.
 
Can't you just back it up whilst it's locked and then restore from backup after you've erased the phone?
 
Can anyone comment or check if a backup can be made in iTunes on a locked phone? If so, problem solved, back it up, DFU and restore it, sync it. The passcode will be off by default
 
There are security reasons behind this and many here have giving you most of them already. Apple as friendly as they seem to be, would not like to be liable for privacy and security breach due to user errors. I remember few years back I read a story about how apple friendly password recovery and reset option lead to big demand, were the affected person had their information stolen because a stranger called apple and had the Apple ID reset with a new password. Since then and because of many other user errors that companies like Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc. these companies become more and more concerned about security and privacy. who would like to pay a lot of money because I was trying to help someone that needed their information recovered and it was not the right person? so having said that, there is a solution to your problem and I actually recreated the issue you are having on my iPhone just to make sure.

1-The iPhone you have has to be connected to the computer that you had used in the past to bak it up,

2- though you might have back ups on you computer of iPhone named with your name, if you place the pointer on top of the back up files in iTunes (iTunes>preferences>device>)it should give you the IMEI number of the phone that was back up, you can verified this on the back of the device

3-if the back up match the device IMEI number with the one in the phone that means that there is hope

4-If all matches you should be able to at least back up the device to the computer before erase.

5-once erase restore the device and restore from backup which is the option you get on iTunes after restoring to factory settings, do not restore back up because the latter will bring the passcode back

I get that you are upset with Apple but stories always have two sides, I do not say Apple is right but I do understand the why behind all this privacy and security concern.

So best of lucks, and hope you can at lest get some back with the other ideas that people have been given you.:)

Much appreciated, thank you. I called again this afternoon and talked to another guy in the same dept (the supervisors of the tech help dept) and got nowhere again but I just want you to know that he tried this with my husband on the phone (logged into my computer) and it still required the password. But thank you for trying!
 
Can anyone comment or check if a backup can be made in iTunes on a locked phone? If so, problem solved, back it up, DFU and restore it, sync it. The passcode will be off by default

No. Defeats the purpose of a passcode. If you forget your code, your only resort is to restore, losing what's on the phone.
 
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