It lags sometimes because it's lack of RAM!
Exactly. It isn't the GPU. Even the iPad 4 (2 generations older) has no problems with stuttering with a higher resolution than the 6+. It's the downscaling, specifically with the UI. Videos and gaming don't seem to suffer has much.
Then why does the iPad 4 with a higher resolution than the 6+ not stutter or lag even with a GPU two generations older?It *is* the GPU. The GPU is rendering to a screen whose resolution is close to that of a MacBook Pro Retina, but with a much higher pixel density. The GPU in your iPhone isn't remotely close to the GPU in your MacBook Pro. This wouldn't be a problem with the new GPU in the iPhone 6/6 Plus, *but* the GPU has to downscale to the physical screen resolution of the iPhone 6 Plus (same mechanism as the MacBook Pro Retina).
RAM isn't the solution, a faster GPU is.
Don't say that... people say free memory is a bad thing...
The 6+ lag is becoming unbearable. To the degree that I will 1) return it or 2) change it for a 6. Its worse than android... and that is to say a lot.
Don't say that... people say free memory is a bad thing...
The 6+ lag is becoming unbearable. To the degree that I will 1) return it or 2) change it for a 6. Its worse than android... and that is to say a lot.
Is the lag any better now? Have updates and the like helped? Apparently apple has a Jan 8th return date for the holidays I may go get one to try for a month and see if I can handle the lack of RAM, but I'm curious about lag too.
I've been using mine for a few weeks now, didn't perceive a lag initially, then I jailbroke it and installed NoSlowAnimations, apps just materialize now.
It was actually jarring at first, now I'm used to it and if I go back to stock, it feels slightly laggy.
Also, just got a 6 to play with before I resell it. and it's ever so slightly faster.
I can/could easily tolerate stock animation speed, it's a fast device.
I still think if they fix what they broke with the compression engine the tab reloading won't be as bad. I still think they should have thrown in 2GB of RAM as the system its self could have 1GB of RAM and the apps could have 1GB of RAM. It would have worked perfectly.
I'd also like to point out the information I posted in a previous post:
It *is* the GPU. The GPU is rendering to a screen whose resolution is close to that of a MacBook Pro Retina, but with a much higher pixel density. The GPU in your iPhone isn't remotely close to the GPU in your MacBook Pro. This wouldn't be a problem with the new GPU in the iPhone 6/6 Plus, *but* the GPU has to downscale to the physical screen resolution of the iPhone 6 Plus (same mechanism as the MacBook Pro Retina).
RAM isn't the solution, a faster GPU is.
Yup, it does feel like an Android phone. It feels like an Android phone that has insufficient RAM.
I regret buying a 6+. I broke my first rule with buying Apple gear: never buy a first generation product. The 6+ is definitely a 1st generation large Apple phone with it's stupid scaling.
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Wow, you're so lucky to have until the 8th to return your phone. I wish I had that option. The situation hasn't gotten better. Well, maybe some minuscule amount. We won't know until iOS 8.2 is released, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Think about this: the 6+ was released with noticeable lag. The difference between a 6 and 6+ is noticeable and I can't believe people at Apple didn't notice this too. I doubt there will be a magically fix for this. Maybe this is a hardware issue where the OS has to downscale. Speaking of which, you can actually catch the OS hiccup as it's downscaling.
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Is there a tweak to speed up task switching? In an early iOS 8 beta, it was possible to double click the home button, and as you see the animated icons of the running apps appear, it was possible to click on an icon before the animation finished and the OS would detect the click.
I would pay for that tweak. It made switching apps so much faster. Someone here said that the animation was not 100% fluid. I don't give a poop. A 6+ doesn't have fluid animations anyway.
The iPhone 6+ is a bad product, just like the first 13" Retina Macbook. The hardware just isn't good enough, be it the GPU or the RAM. Probably both. Apple always skimp on hardware and occasionally they get found out. Wait for the 6S+.
Is the lag any better now? Have updates and the like helped? Apparently apple has a Jan 8th return date for the holidays I may go get one to try for a month and see if I can handle the lack of RAM, but I'm curious about lag too.
Android users may have been used to it at one point... But that changed a while ago.
True.
The last year has made a big difference. Even the note 4, from Samsung, is incredibly smooth.
Android 5.0 will completely solve a problem that has steadily been fading.
I owe both a six plus and a note 4. Suprisingly, the note 4 is smoother.
Don't mistake Facebook performance as an indicator. The app is coded poorly on android.The GPU is more then plenty enough to run the Plus very smoothly, its the transparency effects that makes the 6 Plus stutter sometimes, my 6 Plus is absolutely beyond buttery smooth with Reduce Transparency on, not ever one lick of lag or stutter EVER
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Reduce Transparency makes my 6 Plus absolutely completly buttery smooth and never ever stutters or drops frame rate ever, not in Spotlight, not rotating keyboards, nowhere and never does it lag or have any stutters , sucks your 6 Plus is defective or something...get it returned..my 6 Plus absolutely blows the doors of the Galaxy S5 with ART mode enabled that i Used to have
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If you only knew what your talking about, except you have absolutely not even a clue on what your talking about , GX6450 is more then powerful to run at 1080p very smoothly and even downscale from slightly higher res to 1080p
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No lag at all on my 6 Plus what so ever, never ever any stutters, nothing. Reduce Transparency on
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It hasnt changed lmao, Galaxy S5/Note 4 out the box is still stuttery TouchWiz mess
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It defitnetly is not, scrolling in Facebook on the Note 4, etc, is so much more laggier then it is on the Plus, not even a comparison here, love my 6 Plus , outperforms the Note 4 quite well, espcially in games
Don't mistake Facebook performance as an indicator. The app is coded poorly on android.
Several you give demonstrations indicate you are incorrect about the six plus out performing the note 4.
Got a nexus 6 now, even better.
Don't mistake Facebook performance as an indicator. The app is coded poorly on android.
Several you give demonstrations indicate you are incorrect about the six plus out performing the note 4.
Got a nexus 6 now, even better.
The iPhone 6+ is a bad product, just like the first 13" Retina Macbook. The hardware just isn't good enough, be it the GPU or the RAM. Probably both. Apple always skimp on hardware and occasionally they get found out. Wait for the 6S+.
The 6 Plus considerably outperforms the Note 4, it gets noticeably better on screen frame rate in games and 3D applications then the Note 4(which also translate to smoother UI performance and stuff like that, there is no reason why the Note 4 stutters and lags in native phone app when scrolling and just scrolling through the home screen)
There are tons of demonstrations and benchmarks that clearly show the 6 Plus is the better performer, both off screen/on screen results, it isnt a comparison
Nexus 6 suffers from terribly slow read/write speeds due to the FDE in Lollipop, and also Lollipop is completly bug ridden right now
You can mention Facebook as a indicator because alot of Android apps still lag and are pretty ******, alot of apps share in common with the Facebook app in terms of performance, its abysmal and sad, the worse GPU/CPU performance and worse battery life is why i went with the 6 Plus over the Note 4
You must of missed or are intentionally deluding/blocking your self out from all the real world/benchmark results that showed the 6 Plus beating the Note 4 about a month ago (Anandtech, few others reporting this )
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Hey, Apple is doing something really right though if it offers better performance then the current smartphone competition right now though (better GPU/CPU performance then the 805) and also offers better battery life then current Snapdragon 805 offerings
All the top smartphones have pros and cons.
With the Note 4 the pros are build quality, removable battery, Micro SD, stylus, the very best screen, 3GB RAM, great camera, and best in class battery life. The cons are UI stutter due to Touchwiz, and a poor loudspeaker.
With the Nexus 6 the pros are Motorola radios, clean Android, 3GB of RAM, decent loudspeaker. The cons are it's too big, no Micro SD slot, and Lollipop isn't right yet so a lot of the hardware performance is slowed.
With the 6+ the pros are build materials, a decent camera, iOS, gaming, ease of use, and the App Store. Cons are the woeful lack of RAM, lag, a buggy OS, and poor build quality (loose buttons, dead pixels, yellow screens etc on a great number of phones).
Agreed. My dream phone would be the 6+ running native Android. Best of both worlds. Like when I dual boot Linux or Windows on my Macbook.All the top smartphones have pros and cons.
With the Note 4 the pros are build quality, removable battery, Micro SD, stylus, the very best screen, 3GB RAM, great camera, and best in class battery life. The cons are UI stutter due to Touchwiz, and a poor loudspeaker.
With the Nexus 6 the pros are Motorola radios, clean Android, 3GB of RAM, decent loudspeaker. The cons are it's too big, no Micro SD slot, and Lollipop isn't right yet so a lot of the hardware performance is slowed.
With the 6+ the pros are build materials, a decent camera, iOS, gaming, ease of use, and the App Store. Cons are the woeful lack of RAM, lag, a buggy OS, and poor build quality (loose buttons, dead pixels, yellow screens etc on a great number of phones).
Apple products every year top the charts in durability , and Squaretrade insurance company shows the 6 and 6 Plus more durable then any other Android devices in slide and drop tests
http://www.squaretrade.com/press/iphone-6-earns-best-score-ever-iphone-6-plus-not-far-behind
6 Plus does better then any other large smartphone screen device and the 6 performs the best
And um no...even if 50,000 people are expericing issues with their iPhone's (whether defective pixels or not etc) that is still well under 0.5% of all people having issues, that is beyond minor and small and insiginifican and your just grasping at straws here really
The 6 Plus doesnt have a "decent camera" it has the best camera on the smartphone market right now and performs better then the Note 4 with better LED flash, more color accurate photos and videos, better OIS, better indoor lighting handling( the list goes on, the 6 Plus and 6 as it stands are actually the best overall smartphone cameras on the market
http://www.dxomark.com/Phones/Apple-iPhone-6-and-6-Plus-review-Bigger-and-better.-Apple-set-gold-standard-for-smartphone-image-quality
Dxo scientific lab testing>>> you.
IOS 8 was buggy when it launched; 8.1.1 is far far better and if you actually owned a iOS device you would know this but you just seem to be talking out your rear, Lollipop is tons more bug ridden then iOS and even Kitkat has issues too.
And just because a small % on a local forums on the internet says they have issues with their devices, does not cover even 99% of people who dont visit this forums, year and year out iOS devices have the best reliablity and durability, even with the amount of devices they push out, that is a stunning feat that no other company has yet to matched still
My 6 Plus does not lag at all and is superbly fast and is noticeably better then the Galaxy S5 with ART mode enabled, as it stands the 6 and 6 Plus are the best performing smartphones right now, they offer the best performance on the CPU/GPU side, real world tests and benchmarks show this, dont delude and delusionalize yourself now, what your reality is and what you think it is is not reality
And LOL @ note 4 having better build quality, how does fake faux ******** leather back better then all metal phone? Makes absolutely no sense and judging and sensing by your comment I can tell your just using complete bias now and not is what is concrete and true in the industry
And also the Note 4 unfortnetly does not offer better battery life. Most tech websites agree and show with their results the 6 Plus has better battery life, even some websites (Techrax, Anandtech, etc) show the 6 Plus having even better battery life then the droid turbo with a 3900 mAh battery, that is called class leading engineering by Apple and making correct and good choices and not just mashing everything together and calling it a day
What does lack of "RAM" have to do with anything? Why does the Note 4 refresh and reload apps just as much as the 6 and 6 Plus if not more, while having double the cores and 3x the RAM? Its because Android is still unoptimized garbage and needs much more RAM to run well (java garbage collection requires a ton of RAM)
Fanboy much? Any rational person will realise that all the premium smartphones have good points and bad points. According to you the iPhone 6+ is the winner in every category. Not so I'm afraid and if it was, I would own one.
The Note 4 has better battery life than the 6+.
RAM is very much an important part of hardware that the 6+ is lacking in (it's actually a dealbreaker for many people).
You are confusing build materials with build quality. The Note 4 does indeed have a plastic rear cover with a fake leather effect. This isn't bad build quality! The plastic cover has perfect fit & finish and crucially, not only does it allow access to the removable battery, but most people would have it covered by a case. Build quality is about fit & finish, loose buttons, overly firm 'clicky' buttons etc. Sure the iPhone is built from premium materials but way too many handsets (MUCH higher than your laughable 0.5%) suffer from loose buttons and dodgy screens. You seem to think that a metal rear casing = great build quality.
Was going to read and reply to your post.... Until you started insulting people... What does that gain?I never gave the 6 Plus every single catorgory, I know the Note 4 has a ever so slightly better display then the 6 Plus (both are top of the line though according to DisplayMate, 6 Plus is best LCD display and Note 4 is best OLED display although DisplayMate gave the Note 4 slight nod in overall smartphone display)
The Note 4 once again does not get better battery life, countless websites results show this that the 6 Plus is on top, why are you denying fact now? the Note 4 doesnt get more then 5 hours on screen time while the 6 Plus gets well over that (only way Note 4 has better battery life in one metric is viewing videos, but who watches videos for over 10 hours straight anyway)
I don't think I saw anyone post any video proof of the iPhone 6 Plus lagging so I posted mine.
I currently own a iPhone 6 and 6 Plus (both 128GB) and I filmed my 6 Plus lagging: http://youtu.be/5MUn21nXn7Y. I restored my 5s backup (which worked smoothly with my old 64GB 5s) to both devices and the 6 Plus DOES lag considerably, although intermittent (lags out 5-6 times a day).
Was going to read and reply to your post.... Until you started insulting people... What does that gain?
The six plus isnt as magnificent as you want to believe.
In reply to sun....the radios on the nexus 6 are subperb. Best I have used on a smartphone...but not surprising with Motorola.
Okay buddy...okay.that is just something clearly wrong with your device, are you using fake Apple cable chargers? or did your phone manage to get wet somehow? that looks like a issue with a fake charger cable even though you dont have it plugged in, where when i had used a fake chargeer cable in the past, the screen would act terribly wonky.
try a hard reset or get a new replacement? clearly there is something defective with your device to have it lag like that because i never seen lag like that really ever, and my 6 Plus runs absolutely buttery smooth 100% of the time with no lag ever. I have Reduce Transparency on BTW.
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so telling someone to stop living in delusion and in their own delusion is now insulting someone because what they are saying is pretty much completely incorrect? Wow what a soft world we live in, if you say and mention something, make sure it is in tune with reality and in line with reality and not some fantasy world one chooses to think of and live in. You dont come to a argument/debate with things like that and expect nothing to happen
I don't think I saw anyone post any video proof of the iPhone 6 Plus lagging so I posted mine.
I currently own a iPhone 6 and 6 Plus (both 128GB) and I filmed my 6 Plus lagging: http://youtu.be/5MUn21nXn7Y. I restored my 5s backup (which worked smoothly with my old 64GB 5s) to both devices and the 6 Plus DOES lag considerably, although intermittent (lags out 5-6 times a day).
Okay buddy...okay.
All hail the iphones. Better?