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32GB should really be the base model. Cloud storage means nothing if you don't have a large amount of data on your plan, and I know I would rather have the option to store at least some of my library on my devices without having to opt for a device that costs £100 more!

But hey. I guess thats just business!
 
I'm surprised this thread is still going. It's devolved into quote-counter quote and new people popping in to make points that already have been stated hundreds of times. (I admit to being somewhat guilty of the latter myself, though not to the same degree.) I can hardly wait for further leaks so that we can argue about other iPhone 6S features or the lack thereof. :)
 
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It has little to do with being an advanced user... it's about how it is used. And, I'd say an advanced user typically has a better chance of being able to deal with limited storage.

In the end, the argument isn't a technical one, though. It's about user experience. And, if Apple cares more about market-segmentation and profits than user-experience... it's over, it's just a matter of how long.
Apple does care more about user experience than market segmentation. That's why you can buy the exact same capabilities for $199 as someone spending $299 or $399.
You get the same computing power, the same screen, the same camera, the same design. You just don't get to use it as your media storage device.

Compare to the MacBook line to see how generous Apple is with iOS devices. Different Mac models have not only different amounts of storage but different CPUs, different amounts of RAM, different designs. Many people would jump on a lower price Mac mini or MacBook Air with modest storage but Apple doesn't offer them.
 
It's more about the user who knows little, but finally decides to give Apple a try. People have told them it's worth the premium price. So, they save up the extra money and jump in. They do a bit more than just make phone calls and browse the web, and then can't upgrade to the latest OS without calling in the nerd-squad... or run out of space because they actually took taking photos or video serious, even though they haven't even taken many yet.

So, they buy an Android next time and Apple made an extra $70 profit on that ONE sale (and lost THOUSANDS on gaining a loyal, long-term user).

There is ONE primary reason I've been an Apple user for over 25 years now, and it is because, while they've made a bad decision or produced a dud now and then, their primary goal was to make better stuff and provide an exceptional user experience. And, as someone with that much history - while hope reigns eternal - I'm at least watching for falling sky these days.

Anything less than infinite storage will be insufficient for a user who never bothers with even the slightest management of said storage. Both Android and iOS offer numerous and varied ways to back up, restore and manage content. Everyone but the lightest users must eventually use one of them. 32GB starting storage will not change this.
 
Purchasing the phone separately, they offer it at £27/mo.

Huh, yeah they do have some pretty good sim only deals. Shame I can't get the best reception from them in my homehome as I tried them before. But the deals are cheaper then what I'm paying now and offer more. And unlimited data, so in the UK if you want to use cloud storage on a 16GB iPhone its certainly the way to go.
 
Some of us actually care if Apple is successful in the long-term, not just the deal we get or whether we're smart enough to buy the non-base model.

Personally, I could care less about this specific issue... I'll probably just buy the 64 GB and pay the extra $100. You're much better off not being on contract anyway.

What brand would we switch to?

Look at the iPhone 6/6+ introduction. Record sales in a short period of time. People voted by opening their wallets.

What brand to buy instead? Any brand you want that will let you be happy.

You can love a device whilst still hating it for not having sufficient RAM. You can want an iPhone whilst still feeling ripped-off by the base storage level. Sure, eventually there will come a time where too many straws have broken the camel's back but until that time comes (and boy it's close) the ecosystem, $500 spent on Apps and familiarity with the o/s keeps me aboard.

I have never "hated" a piece of tech. They're just electronic components, some metal and plastic. If you don't like it, vote by purchasing something else. People overwhelmingly voted "Yes" despite the $100 memory issue by opening their wallets and purchasing the iPhone 6/6+ at the introduction in record numbers. If the +$100 is beyond your means and/or you feel it's a poor value, simply purchase a product that that will make you happy. Simple.

I would never give a company that much power over me. Its kind of scary how people don't question Apple at all.

Scary? You're suggesting that you're special and the only one that has the ability to question and make a proper decision? Question and make a decision to purchase or not purchase. That's what most people do everyday. People getting so wound up going on and on using terms like hate, greedy, etc. is really sad. Simply purchase a better solution from somebody else if you do not like the value of Apple products.

During the first three months of iPhone 6/6+ sales, after careful consideration of the value proposition and competitor options, a record 74.5 million people purchased a 6/6+ phone, rewarding Apple with $76.4B of revenue for the quarter.

Smells like success to me.
 
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Face it, iPhones just aren't worth the money anymore. If you were about to buy your first ever smartphone would you really choose Apple? Seriously? I know we're all locked into the 'ecosystem' and have a ton of paid-for apps but if all that was erased, what exactly is the draw here? It seems to be a company trading on former glories.

Early iPhones, especially the iPhone 4, were superb. Build quality was light years ahead of the competition and the feature set was as good as anyone else could muster, but with a sprinkling of gold on top. Ever since then there have been a succession of lacklustre devices and none more so that the iPhone 6 and especially 6+. Now we have plenty of folk aggressively defending 16GB of storage and 1GB of RAM on what is touted as the world's best smartphone. The competition has not only caught up, they have moved onwards and upwards. iPhones have old-tech LCD screens, a pathetic amount of RAM, and piddling storage space unless you spend hundreds more dollars on top of what is already the most expensive phone you can buy.

All of Apple's premium smartphone competitors now offer the same if not better build quality, along with proper up to date technical specifications. The one saving grace that Apple had, namely iOS, is now a buggy and stuttering mess compared to how it once was. Android has caught up in every respect and yet still we have folk defending lousy specs and buggy operating systems. Why?

And people think Apple users are blind. Android has caught up in every respect? Sure, buddy, when a chunk of Apps I use aren't even available on Android because the OS itself lacks the architecture to run them.

BTW, why are you avoiding my previous questions? Here's a tip: if you don't want to get called on something then stop posting lies.

For the THIRD time:

- List the 3 year old Android tablet you own that multitasks better than the iPhone 6+.
- List the Apps you run on said tablet and also on the iPhone 6+.
- List the Apps you use that lets you make the claim that the iPhone 6+ "can't multitask worth poop."

WHY is it so hard for you to back up your claims?
 
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At this point, I think it would be preferable for Apple to increase the price of iPhone 6s for everyone slightly and start at 32GB to try and limit the lost revenue they currently earn from people buying higher capacity devices.

Apple has teams of people calculating the best price points for Apple to make the most profit. It might be preferable for us the consumer but, Apple has decided that the 16GB option makes them the most money. As a business, they are making the correct choice.
 
And people think Apple users are blind. Android has caught up in every respect? Sure, buddy, when a chunk of Apps I use aren't even available on Android because the OS itself lacks the architecture to run them.

BTW, why are you avoiding my previous questions? Here's a tip: if you don't want to get called on something then stop posting lies.

For the THIRD time:

- List the 3 year old Android tablet you own that multitasks better than the iPhone 6+.
- List the Apps you run on said tablet and also on the iPhone 6+.
- List the Apps you use that lets you make the claim that the iPhone 6+ "can't multitask worth poop."

WHY is it so hard for you to back up your claims?
I backed up my 'claims' with hard facts which *prove* beyond all doubt that the two generations older iPhone 5 multitasks WAY better than the latest iPhones. Which apps I use is immaterial, the point is that the iPhone 5 reloads/refreshes much MUCH less readily than the 6+. That will be the case whichever apps and websites anyone uses, but of course data-heavy apps and websites will cause this to happen sooner/100% of the time.

As for the Android tablet I use, it was something I picked up on clearance and I bought it to a) see if I would use a tablet if I had one and b) to check out Android. It's a Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 8" which I believe was released in June 2013. Although obviously a tad slower than the 6+ and with a low-resolution display, it can actually keep apps and tabs in memory unlike the 6+. It doesn't refresh all the damned time and please don't tell me what I should expect because my old *Apple* iPhone 5 set a certain multitasking benchmark and if I'm comparing the 6+ to anything then it's that. Like for like, a supposed 'upgrade' on my old phone and a two generations newer 'upgrade' at that. I would go so far as to say that the 6+ has zero multitasking capability. Anything that doesn't reload is an unexpected bonus at the time, not something to be relied upon.
I should say as well that pretty much any smartphone on the market reloads/refreshes less than the 6+. That's any device at any price point. Even the iPhone 4S refreshes less often and it has half the RAM. Reasons being that it doesn't have that gigantic HD screen to push and it's also a 32Bit device.

*Oh and there are a ton of Android apps not available for iOS. It works both ways.
 
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Considering they sell millions of these phones, I don't think there is as much 'user demand' as you think. Remember MacRumors is not a representative sample.
I think you only need look to the levels of user dissatisfaction with iOS 8 when those with 16GB (not me!) were faced with far too few GB come iOS upgrade time and they either had to delete apps, photos, etc to do so or skip the upgrade. Whilst iOS 9 is going to alleviate this with the remove, install, reinstall option for those with insufficient space it certainly does not change the fact that 16GB has ceased to be a sufficient amount of storage with increasing app sizes, increasing popularity of phone-based photography with increased megapixels, and popularity of shooting video not to be forgotten either.
 
Heh, the analogy problem is that clubs, societal status, and fashion are probably just the kind of things us long-time-Apple users are scared to death Apple is now chasing after. It kind of self-fulfills the biggest lame critique of Apple over the years. And, some days, I have to wonder if Cook is more about keeping up with the Kardashians than sticking to the original vision of Apple.

As a long-time Apple user, I'm not scared because this is one of the reason I bought Apple in the first place: they had relevant designs, arguments and images.

The problem rather, is that this image is degrading. So instead of catering to trendsetter with taste, they're now catering to teen who listen to Zane Lowe or Taylor swift, and asian/arab couch potatos like the Kardashian who buy gold devices.
 
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Oh, get over yourself.
The amount of nonsense and emotional "argumentation" in this thread is pathetic.

It's silly how people try to insinuate that the sky is going to fall in, Apple will go bankrupt and a turbine attached to Steve Jobs turning in his grave would provide energy for the entire world just because you don't get extra storage on the base model.

All this whining is actually proof that Apple's segmentation strategy is brilliant. The vast majority of people visiting this site are advanced users. That's even more so for people that have an account and post comments.
Advanced users should need more than the base model.
If you need a lot of storage, you're using it a lot. If you're using it a lot, you're getting a lot of value. If you're getting a lot of value you should be willing to spend more.

Dat hypocrisy. You tell "get over yourself" and then pretend that the casual users (who usually are a sign of decline when they make up your base clientele or guide your strategy) don't know what memory is, that they're have never used an iPod, a PC or installed an App, have pictures or informations that take up space?

16GB is unacceptable by ANY standard, not just advanced users, the same goes for 128GB entry for the Macbook Air/Pro.
 
The problem isn't that the base model is only 16GB, the problem is the absence of a 32GB option. But no doubt Apple knows exactly what they're doing here, they're getting a lot more potential 32GB customers to grudgingly upgrade to the more expensive product than the few who are prepared to downgrade.
 
Phil Schiller is WRONG. Their cloud services do not alleviate the storage problem because the files are still being stored on all of the devices. The cloud is just keeping them in sync.
 
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Corruption? You realize 'corruption', like many words, has a specific meaning. What, in your mind, does corruption have to do with Apple producing a 16GB iPhone 6s?

I mean the corruption of the Apple ethos set by Steve Jobs.

It's not about money. It's about the fact that Jobs set high standards with the iPhone that meant certain minimum requirements. It's a question of balancing the ROI with making an outstanding phone.

With Tim Cook, the balance has tipped too much to the ROI rather than the outstanding product. That is due to corruption, because Cook cannot fundamentally understand why these little details matter. Therefore, he gets the balance wrong.
 
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Face it, iPhones just aren't worth the money anymore. If you were about to buy your first ever smartphone would you really choose Apple? Seriously? I know we're all locked into the 'ecosystem' and have a ton of paid-for apps but if all that was erased, what exactly is the draw here? It seems to be a company trading on former glories.

Early iPhones, especially the iPhone 4, were superb. Build quality was light years ahead of the competition and the feature set was as good as anyone else could muster, but with a sprinkling of gold on top. Ever since then there have been a succession of lacklustre devices and none more so that the iPhone 6 and especially 6+. Now we have plenty of folk aggressively defending 16GB of storage and 1GB of RAM on what is touted as the world's best smartphone. The competition has not only caught up, they have moved onwards and upwards. iPhones have old-tech LCD screens, a pathetic amount of RAM, and piddling storage space unless you spend hundreds more dollars on top of what is already the most expensive phone you can buy.

All of Apple's premium smartphone competitors now offer the same if not better build quality, along with proper up to date technical specifications. The one saving grace that Apple had, namely iOS, is now a buggy and stuttering mess compared to how it once was. Android has caught up in every respect and yet still we have folk defending lousy specs and buggy operating systems. Why?
Because for me at least, my Apple products do still "just work". Moreso than the rest of the competition, at least.

My first Apple product was an iMac, not an iPhone. In that context, when it was time to upgrade my phone (then a Nokia symbian phone), getting a 4s seemed like an obvious choice because of the purported synergies between Apple products. Granted, the benefits of being all-in with the Apple ecosystem turned out to not be so strong in 2011 then (I barely used iTunes), but there is a very compelling reason to stay within the Apple ecosystem today.

I personally feel that what constitutes the "best phone" often involves more than what can be distilled into a mere spec. How come no one ever gives credit to the things Apple does right, like how the iPhone comes free of carrier bloatware or branding, or their pretty good customer support, or how Apple can push software updates to all users around the world simultaneously? Apple used larger pixels in their camera as opposed to more megapixels. Their dual-core processors regularly match, if not beat Android smartphones sporting more cores. Touch-ID remains an example of software and hardware integration done right. The benefits may not be as obvious as 2gb of ram vs 1gb of ram, but that doesn't mean that the consumer cannot feel, much less appreciate these benefits.

Apple does so many things right, yet it seems that the only thing that people can fixate on is how their base model is still 16gb. Like that is the only thing which makes a great smartphone, because shocker - people can still buy the 64gb and 128 gb models.

I am a teacher using an Apple TV in my classroom, and regularly rely on features like Airplay mirroring in tandem with my iPhone, iPad and MBA. I use features like icloud photo library and airdrop to pass files around. I like how I can get the same app on my iPhone and iPad while paying only once. The iOS app store remains home to apps like Overcast which remain available only on iOS. I am using continuity to make calls on my iPad and Mac computers, and have come to appreciate the ability to send and receive SMSes on my desktop (makes it really easy to type up lengthy messages in tandem with text expander).

iOS 9 promises to fix many of the problems that people claim plague the iPhone and iPad, so I am not sorry for waiting.

There are plenty of non-spec-related reasons for me to continue getting an iPhone. All in all, not everything that can be measured matters, just as not everything which matters can be measured. Sure, getting a iPhone 6+ with 1gb of ram probably sucks in this day and age, but between that or an Android smartphone which would break compatibility with all my other Apple products, I will stick with an iPhone with 1gb of ram, for better and for worse.
 
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Huh, yeah they do have some pretty good sim only deals. Shame I can't get the best reception from them in my homehome as I tried them before. But the deals are cheaper then what I'm paying now and offer more. And unlimited data, so in the UK if you want to use cloud storage on a 16GB iPhone its certainly the way to go.

http://support.three.co.uk/SRVS/CGI...,Kb=Mobile,Ts=Mobile,T=CaseDoc,Case=obj(5440)

..this little box solved my home signal problems. Free from Three if you're on contract - you have to call them to get one.

Apparently they're making changes this year to improve indoor coverage by making use of the 800MHz spectrum they purchased back in 2013 too:

http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/mobility/4g/three-volte-800mhz-spectrum-4g-166844

Been a three customer for some years myself and although the price has climbed a fair bit the package is still pretty unbeatable:

- Unlimited data / mins / texts
- Tethering (with 4Gb limit per month)
- Feel at home (use your phone as you would at home including data in supported countries .. 25Gb data limit applies I think)

I've got friends on o2 and Vodafone (no EE experience) and they have just as many no signal moments as I do so not convinced for my uses I'd be any better elsewhere with regards to having decent coverage.
 
The problem isn't that the base model is only 16GB, the problem is the absence of a 32GB option. But no doubt Apple knows exactly what they're doing here, they're getting a lot more potential 32GB customers to grudgingly upgrade to the more expensive product than the few who are prepared to downgrade.

or they are rewarding those who previously bought 32gb with a nice 64gb

always another way to look at things ;)
 
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