'iPhone 6s' Logic Board Suggests 16GB Base Model and Updated NFC Hardware

[windwalker]

Dat hypocrisy. You tell "get over yourself" and then pretend that the casual users (who usually are a sign of decline when they make up your base clientele or guide your strategy) don't know what memory is, that they're have never used an iPod, a PC or installed an App, have pictures or informations that take up space?

16GB is unacceptable by ANY standard, not just advanced users, the same goes for 128GB entry for the Macbook Air/Pro.

It's actually a sign of massive success when you are able to attract casual users. And this applies even more to Apple and their products.
All of their products that attained massive success and changed the world did so exactly because they allowed regular people to successfully make use of incredibly advanced technology.

No matter who you are, Apple makes you pay for convenience. If you need space, either because you are a heavy user and need it or a novice too lazy to manage storage then you have to pay for the privilege.

 

[castlerock]

ya exactly. if apple upgrades the storage people will say it's not enough and ask more. likewise if apple upgrades the camera people will say it's not high rez enough and ask for more. and if apple adds faster lte people will say it's not fast enough and want more. seriously wtf is wrong with apple trying to upgrade their phones. they should never improve anything, that'll teach everyone a lesson.


lol

Yeah, they did that already. It's called the iPad mini "upgrade" for last year. Touch ID was literally the only thing changed. Hence why I chose to save some $$ and bought the old model since its price was cut when the new one came out. Still happy with my decision.

 

[marty11]

When did Apple start selling low end iPhones? I know they still sell old iPhones, sure, but I didn't even realize they made low end iPhones. (There is a difference between selling an old product and selling a low end product)

Let me correct that. High end phones with low end specs. Always been that way.

 

[JohnApples]

Do you guys realize that these are phones? Do you guys realize that there are a bunch of people out there that treat these as JUST phones? For my iPhone, I can get by with 16GB. My parents get by with 16GB and my grandma gets by with 16GB. However, on my iPad, I needed 128GB.

Yes, that's been addressed several times in the thread. Just because there's a good chunk of people that don't use a lot of storage, doesn't mean that Apple purposely has to hold back on a reasonable upgrade that they're more than capable of doing. Everybody else is already there, with cheaper phones. If Apple is premium, why hold back on storage? Worst case scenario, again, is that non-tech-savvy people get more storage than they'll need. Plus, Apple can continue selling last year's model with 16GB for $100 cheaper for people who just use the iPhone as a phone. Win-win.

This is like complaining that Samsung releases 120GB SSDs in 2015. I have one, and I only fill it to 50%. Your space requirements has nothing to do with what year it is. There are people out there that need 6TB of storage.

Literally, no, the year it is has nothing to do with storage requirements. Technically, though, it does. As our tech increases and we get better technology (1080p, 4k video recording; higher quality photos; more advanced OS's; more advanced apps) we require more storage. A PC game today requires several gigabytes. 10 years ago, it was several megabytes.

Also, why are you guys complaining about the price. The 16GB iPhone from 2009 is not the same as the latest 16GB iPhone. Those other advancements cost money you know.

Yes, those other advancements do cost money. Flash storage, however, costs very very little compared to everything else. The upgrade to 32GB would be very minor in terms of cost to Apple.

 

[marty11]

I do?

I thought you were just making a statement saying that you thought the guy was self-centered. I didn't realize it was made as a joke, and that you realized how silly you sounded in it.

Yes, the person I was replying to was self centered and I was pointing that out.

 

[SpyderBite]

The issue comes in with apps. Even if you have no pictures or documents on your phone, you still have apps. Majority of my storage is apps. When I had a 16gb iphone I had to constantly delete stuff off.

I get that for the enthusiasts. But the average consumer is wasting space with video and photos. At the Apple Bar the biggest culprit was instagram. The age of selfies doesn't make it any better. The sooner people learn how to manage cloud storage and stop believing that their photos, video and music is being stored on some sort of magical endless storage on their phone where it is safely secure from all the villains out there who are targeting their foodie pics. XD

 

[Michael Goff]

Let me correct that. High end phones with low end specs. Always been that way.

If all you care about are specs, the iPhone isn't for you. No Apple product is, really. There are computers that have better CPU/GPU out there. There are even those with higher resolution displays. If specs are your drug, Apple will never make you happy. Apple will never be able to match specs with the others. At the same time, though, a lot of high spec phones won't be able to match the experience I have on my iPhone.

Yes, the person I was replying to was self centered and I was pointing that out.

I thought he was simply pointing out that using a 16gb model was possible and that he knew people who did. The real self-centered people are those that assume nobody can simply because they can't.

 

[SpyderBite]

Isn't iCloud only 5 GB free? 16+5 is still less than 32.

Google Drive is unlimited and MS gives away a TB of you merge your photos to One Drive. Both of which are seamlessly compatible on iOS.

Infinite > 32gb

 

[SpyderBite]

The problem is the pricing strategy. $100 to upgrade to 32GB? Please.

You'd think they were trying to make money or something. Where's the charity these days?

 

[WaxedJacket]

By now 64GB should be the base. This is just silly of Apple to keep 16GB around, especially when apps are just getting larger and larger (same with the OS).

 

[lazard]

By now 64GB should be the base. This is just silly of Apple to keep 16GB around, especially when apps are just getting larger and larger (same with the OS).

The logo sells itself. They could downgrade the 6S to 8GB base and people will still flock to buy it.

 

[Michael Goff]

By now 64GB should be the base. This is just silly of Apple to keep 16GB around, especially when apps are just getting larger and larger (same with the OS).

What phone maker sells 64GB as the base model?

 

[marty11]

If all you care about are specs, the iPhone isn't for you. No Apple product is, really. There are computers that have better CPU/GPU out there. There are even those with higher resolution displays. If specs are your drug, Apple will never make you happy. Apple will never be able to match specs with the others. At the same time, though, a lot of high spec phones won't be able to match the experience I have on my iPhone.


I thought he was simply pointing out that using a 16gb model was possible and that he knew people who did. The real self-centered people are those that assume nobody can simply because they can't.

I've been using Apple products for nearly 3 decades, I dont need the rundown. Spec-ing a CPU for the sake of clock speed is one thing to definitely be weighed against the big picture - for example when iOS is more efficient than Android, and the end result is a faster iPhone vs Android phone despite the lower spec. Storage is another story. Data is data, and spec-ing a 16 GB phone in your premium lineup is pretty greedy and it rubs people the wrong way, rightly so.

As for the comment, he was demanding that a 16 GB model is sufficient for people he knew. As if his experience dictated what an average iPhone user needed (he even claimed as such). I was pointing out how subjective his comment is and how ridiculous it was to assert his experience was anymore valuable to the 800+ comments to this thread criticizing Apple.

 

[Michael Goff]

I've been using Apple products for nearly 3 decades, I dont need the rundown. Spec-ing a CPU for the sake of clock speed is one thing to definitely be weighed against the big picture - for example when iOS is more efficient than Android, and the end result is a faster iPhone vs Android phone despite the lower spec. Storage is another story. Data is data, and spec-ing a 16 GB phone in your premium lineup is pretty greedy and it rubs people the wrong way, rightly so.

As for the comment, he was demanding that a 16 GB model is sufficient for people he knew. As if his experience dictated what an average iPhone user needed (he even claimed as such). I was pointing out how subjective his comment is and how ridiculous it was to assert his experience was anymore valuable to the 800+ comments to this thread criticizing Apple.

Most people actually don't care. They buy a phone that works for them. For a lot of people, that's the 16gb model. I know that might seem foreign to you, but it's true. Also, 800 comments to Apple is roughly... what? What fraction of a percent of actual 16gb iPhone users would you say 800 makes up? 1% I doubt it. If I were to guess, it's likely less than one thousandth of a percent. You won't get the full picture, though, because of an important factor:

People who enjoy their phone are out there enjoying it, not coming onto a forum to talk about it.

 

[marty11]

Most people actually don't care. They buy a phone that works for them. For a lot of people, that's the 16gb model. I know that might seem foreign to you, but it's true. Also, 800 comments to Apple is roughly... what? What fraction of a percent of actual 16gb iPhone users would you say 800 makes up? 1% I doubt it. If I were to guess, it's likely less than one thousandth of a percent. You won't get the full picture, though, because of an important factor:

People who enjoy their phone are out there enjoying it, not coming onto a forum to talk about it.

They buy the 16 GB because it's the cheapest iPhone, period. Not because that's what they need, it's because that's what they can get by with.

A quick little tid bit for you - Apple had to modify the iOS 8 installation method to temporarily remove apps from peoples phones to free up enough space to install the new software. How did they come to realize this? Because Apple saw that the iOS 8 adoption rate was dismal compared to previous releases.

So, No. This isn't people just out there enjoying their phones vs people on the internet complaining. Apple's greed is actually impacting the consumer experience in a negative way, as well as the user's ability to take advantage of software improvements that Apple is actually imploring people to use.

 

[Michael Goff]

They buy the 16 GB because it's the cheapest iPhone, period. Not because that's what they need, it's because that's what they can get buy with.

A quick little tid bit for you - Apple had to modify the iOS 8 installation method to temporarily remove apps from peoples phones to free up enough space to install the new software. How did they come to realize this? Because Apple saw that the iOS 8 adoption rate was dismal compared to previous releases.

So, No. This isn't people just out there using their phones vs people on the internet complaining. Apple's greed is actually impacting the consumer experience in a negative way, as well as the user's ability to take advantage of software improvements that Apple is actually imploring people to use.

I'm sure you have proof for that, right?

 

[panther quest]

Battery life be damned!

The huge improvement to experience compared to the negligible battery life reduction would be well worth it. There are even some use cases where added RAM would improve battery life.

 

[marty11]

I'm sure you have proof for that, right?

http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/23/8834059/apple-ios-9-can-temporarily-delete-apps-before-updates

(coming iOS 9, not iOS 8).

Cheers.

 

[Abazigal]

By now 64GB should be the base. This is just silly of Apple to keep 16GB around, especially when apps are just getting larger and larger (same with the OS).

Like I said, you can always pretend that the 16 GB model doesn't exist.

 

[Michael Goff]

http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/23/8834059/apple-ios-9-can-temporarily-delete-apps-before-updates

(coming iOS 9, not iOS 8).

Cheers.

No, that people only buy the 16gb because price.

 

[marty11]

No, that people only buy the 16gb because price.

Um, because they can buy models with more storage if price were not an issue.

We can go back and forth. The fact of the matter is Apple bills the iPhone as a high end product similar to a Porsche, etc then they purposely spec a major metric to be the bare minimum the device will run on. I'm sure they will sell plenty regardless.

 

[ipadpro]

i cant believe this thread 34 pages long - hahahaha

 

[Benjamin Frost]

I think it's time to wrap this discussion up, folks.

It would seem that the most coherent and best-argued posts have been in support of a 32GB base storage or more. However, there have also been one or two well-reasoned defences of the 16GB.

At this stage, the best thing to do is to agree to disagree and move on. Apple will do what they will do, and if necessary, we can always call upon Taylor Swift to exert pressure with an open letter.

 

[paulsdenton]

A lot of people just want a great phone and the ability to check mail, faceBook, calendar, etc. 16GB is fine for that. If you need more, buy it. Problem solved.

 

[Ethosik]

Yes, that's been addressed several times in the thread. Just because there's a good chunk of people that don't use a lot of storage, doesn't mean that Apple purposely has to hold back on a reasonable upgrade that they're more than capable of doing. Everybody else is already there, with cheaper phones. If Apple is premium, why hold back on storage? Worst case scenario, again, is that non-tech-savvy people get more storage than they'll need. Plus, Apple can continue selling last year's model with 16GB for $100 cheaper for people who just use the iPhone as a phone. Win-win.



Literally, no, the year it is has nothing to do with storage requirements. Technically, though, it does. As our tech increases and we get better technology (1080p, 4k video recording; higher quality photos; more advanced OS's; more advanced apps) we require more storage. A PC game today requires several gigabytes. 10 years ago, it was several megabytes.



Yes, those other advancements do cost money. Flash storage, however, costs very very little compared to everything else. The upgrade to 32GB would be very minor in terms of cost to Apple.

So if most of their phone sales are 16GB, they are purposely holding back? Really? People need to start buying what they need or want. I have NO need for more than 16GB iPhones. Most people do not store their entire music collection on their phone, or hundreds of videos. If you do, fine, get what space you need.