'iPhone 6s' Logic Board Suggests 16GB Base Model and Updated NFC Hardware

[JohnApples]

So if most of their phone sales are 16GB, they are purposely holding back? Really? People need to start buying what they need or want. I have NO need for more than 16GB iPhones. Most people do not store their entire music collection on their phone, or hundreds of videos. If you do, fine, get what space you need.

Most of the phone sales are the 16GB model because it is the cheapest model, make no mistake. Saying most people do not need more than 16GB is also a fallacy argument, because we really can't prove that one way or the other.

Again, the "buy what you need" argument is, for lack of a better term, kind of dumb, because the phone is very expensive to begin with. It is supposedly the highest quality phone you can buy, a premium device. 16GB is remarkably low for a brand new, state-of-the-art piece of tech. Again, you shouldn't HAVE to pay a $100 premium on top of an already premium price, to use the phone as Apple advertises (100 apps and a great camera). Do you get what I'm saying?

16GB may have been adequate for an average user a few years ago; but now the powerful hardware and software on the phone is becoming more and more demanding. We have 1080p 60FPS video. 8MP, super high quality pictures. Millions upon millions of apps to choose from. They add up faster than ever before, and the rest of the industry has already adjusted. If the rumors are true and Apple goes with 4K and 12MP, it gets much worse.

 

[tgwaste]

There is no excuse what-so-ever for any top of the line mobile phone to start at 16GB in this day and age.

 

[mwd25]

I never said I bought them from iTunes -- I ripped them with Handbrake, oh ye of little faith.

And I never said you did either.......I said IF you purchased from Itunes

 

[StyxMaker]

I'm sure we've done a lot of good on this and other threads complaining about the 16GB iPhone. I'm sure all Apple needed to to halt everything while they reevaluate their iPhone line, was several hundred reminders that we are living in the 2,015th year of the Common Era.

 

[nia820]

There is no excuse what-so-ever for any top of the line mobile phone to start at 16GB in this day and age.

Thank you! Some people in this thread just don't get it. Maybe because they live within their apple and aren't even looking at what other phone makers are offering. 32gb is the standard now for high end phones. Even some mid-low range phones come in 32gb as base storage.

It doesn't make sense to start from 16 gb and then jump to 64gb. If Apple truely believed more storage wasn't necessary they would have kept the storage options as 16/32/64. They wouldn't even have added the 128gb.

 

[orange.x]

16GB for entrylevel is too low in my opinion as is the opinion of many others here. And they're right.
But what if they will drop the upgrade prices for storage? Everybody knows that flash storage is very cheap and asking $100 for 64GB instead of 16GB is ridiculous. With cloud storage as backup or whatever other reason, it's way too expensive. Maybe they will lower the upgrade prices to $50 / upgrade? So $50 extra for 64GB instead of 16GB and another $50 for 128GB instead of 64GB.

That would be the ideal I guess. For those who think 16GB is enough they still have their "cheap"-entry level iPhone which seriously at 599 or 699 is far from "cheap". But for only $50 you'll get 64GB and for only $100 extra you can get the 128GB.

Hoping for the better, because it probably doesn't gonna happen

 

[Roadstar]

For me the most frustrating aspect of this 16GB base storage is the fact that at work we've finally got also iPhones as a phone option instead of just Windows Phones. However, price limits dictate that it's the base model or nothing, so no storage upgrades and no plus, even if you wanted to pay for the difference yourself. So if the useless (in my use case) and woefully outdated 16GB is still the base storage, I think I'll have to skip on getting a new work phone even though I'm due for an upgrade. Maybe iPhone 7 then if we don't get Android options before that.

 

[UltimaKilo]

By now 64GB should be the base. This is just silly of Apple to keep 16GB around, especially when apps are just getting larger and larger (same with the OS).

You're definately overstating it. For most people, 32GB should be enough, especially with the 5GB of free cloud storage. Unfortunately, we may not see a 32GB base model until the iPhone 7, a year later (2018), it may very well be that 32GB is no longer enough with the growing sizes of apps, photos and videos, so Apple is indeed very late. 2015 would have been the perfect time to debut a 32GB base model.

I'd venture to say that for the majority, 16GB is too little and 64GB is too much.

 

[Ethosik]

Most of the phone sales are the 16GB model because it is the cheapest model, make no mistake. Saying most people do not need more than 16GB is also a fallacy argument, because we really can't prove that one way or the other.

Again, the "buy what you need" argument is, for lack of a better term, kind of dumb, because the phone is very expensive to begin with. It is supposedly the highest quality phone you can buy, a premium device. 16GB is remarkably low for a brand new, state-of-the-art piece of tech. Again, you shouldn't HAVE to pay a $100 premium on top of an already premium price, to use the phone as Apple advertises (100 apps and a great camera). Do you get what I'm saying?

16GB may have been adequate for an average user a few years ago; but now the powerful hardware and software on the phone is becoming more and more demanding. We have 1080p 60FPS video. 8MP, super high quality pictures. Millions upon millions of apps to choose from. They add up faster than ever before, and the rest of the industry has already adjusted. If the rumors are true and Apple goes with 4K and 12MP, it gets much worse.

Yes space is the ONLY factor of price right? Look at everything else this phone has. It is a very expensive phone because it has lots of other features and components. Just saying it costs this much JUST BECAUSE of space is ridiculous. I didn't know the other components stayed the same since the 3GS.

Um, I didn't HAVE to pay another $100. I am perfectly fine with 16GB thanks. Do you know me? No. I store only 4 albums on my phone. I only have a dozen pictures. I only have apps like health and weather. I treat my phone mostly as a phone. I never play games on it, or watch videos on it.

There is NO need to store every single thing on your phone. Just sync you workout music when you work out, or a few albums here and there.

Why is "buying what you need" argument dumb? I need 128GB for my iPad, so I should demand it should come with that on the base model? Really? People need 6TB hard drives, should we just eliminate smaller size drives (some that cost more than their larger capacity drives)?

You buy what you need. 16GB is not that big of a deal like most here are saying. You guys are not the normal users. I am a heavy gadget and geek guy and I still get by with 16GB of storage.

 

[JohnApples]

Yes space is the ONLY factor of price right? Look at everything else this phone has. It is a very expensive phone because it has lots of other features and components. Just saying it costs this much JUST BECAUSE of space is ridiculous. I didn't know the other components stayed the same since the 3GS.

You completely missed all the points I was making. I never stated that storage space was the only factor. I never stated that the components "stayed the same since the 3GS" or even implied that. At all. I stated that storage cost was very minor, so that they are more than able to upgrade the storage in the base model even with all the tech enhancements.

Um, I didn't HAVE to pay another $100. I am perfectly fine with 16GB thanks. Do you know me? No. I store only 4 albums on my phone. I only have a dozen pictures. I only have apps like health and weather. I treat my phone mostly as a phone. I never play games on it, or watch videos on it.

Again, I never stated that you had to pay an extra $100 nor did I say I knew you. Did you even read my post? Once again, the point I was making is that if you're paying $650 for a device, you should expect it to have a decent amount of storage compared to what the other devices in that price range are offering. You're paying premium already, you should not have to pay an additional $100 premium for more storage, at least in my opinion. The iPhone is the most expensive smartphone out there, and has the least amount of base storage. Go figure!

There is NO need to store every single thing on your phone. Just sync you workout music when you work out, or a few albums here and there.

There is NO need to store every thing on your phone? Okay, now I'll use your own words: Do you know me? No. Do you know every single iPhone user? No. That is a very apologist-style argument. You're basically telling me that if I store a lot on my phone, "I'm using it wrong".

Why is "buying what you need" argument dumb? I need 128GB for my iPad, so I should demand it should come with that on the base model? Really? People need 6TB hard drives, should we just eliminate smaller size drives (some that cost more than their larger capacity drives)?

Once more, you completely missed my point. I never stated that 128GB should be the base or implied it, and I'm getting tired of reiterating myself. Comparing 6TB to 16GB is just ridiculous. And yes, as tech advances we should eliminate smaller sized drives. That's how we keep tech advancing- eliminating the old tech after the new replaces it. A 500GB harddrive seems to be the new "base" storage for PC's. All the newer models of laptops seem to have 500GB as the lowest storage option. Is every single laptop user going to use 500GB? Heck no. An "average user" probably won't even use half of that unless they, for some reason, have tons of games on it. So why include 500GB in the first place? Because the tech has advanced enough that putting in 500GB of storage is feasible, cheap, and looks better. If storage specs remained stagnant, I would be paying hundreds upon hundreds for terabytes since I "buy what I need".

You buy what you need. 16GB is not that big of a deal like most here are saying. You guys are not the normal users. I am a heavy gadget and geek guy and I still get by with 16GB of storage.

And, once again, I will reiterate what I wrote. Everyone keeps throwing around the "you are not normal users, they need less storage" argument. Okay, that's true to an extant. But Apple themselves is advertising that the "average user" uses their smartphone for more and more things, per the "average 100 apps" and "most used camera" claims they made. They pride themselves on having a very popular and powerful smartphone that any person can pick up, and do 'professional' things on it. Then they heavily limit these "average users" by giving them 16GB.

You can defend it all you want, but Apple is NOT keeping 16GB to "appeal to the light user crowd". They're doing it to save money and make money, that's it. It's time though, to get with the times and change. Judging by some of the replies, you'd think we were asking for something absurd, like a hologram projector built in, or free iPhones. We're asking for a 16GB jump in base storage for a $650 phone. I don't think it's that outlandish.

 

[Lennholm]

or they are rewarding those who previously bought 32gb with a nice 64gb

always another way to look at things

Does the 64GB iPhone 6 cost the same as the 32GB iPhone 5S did?

 

[Ethosik]

You completely missed all the points I was making. I never stated that storage space was the only factor. I never stated that the components "stayed the same since the 3GS" or even implied that. At all. I stated that storage cost was very minor, so that they are more than able to upgrade the storage in the base model even with all the tech enhancements.



Again, I never stated that you had to pay an extra $100 nor did I say I knew you. Did you even read my post? Once again, the point I was making is that if you're paying $650 for a device, you should expect it to have a decent amount of storage compared to what the other devices in that price range are offering. You're paying premium already, you should not have to pay an additional $100 premium for more storage, at least in my opinion. The iPhone is the most expensive smartphone out there, and has the least amount of base storage. Go figure!



There is NO need to store every thing on your phone? Okay, now I'll use your own words: Do you know me? No. Do you know every single iPhone user? No. That is a very apologist-style argument. You're basically telling me that if I store a lot on my phone, "I'm using it wrong".



Once more, you completely missed my point. I never stated that 128GB should be the base or implied it, and I'm getting tired of reiterating myself. Comparing 6TB to 16GB is just ridiculous. And yes, as tech advances we should eliminate smaller sized drives. That's how we keep tech advancing- eliminating the old tech after the new replaces it. A 500GB harddrive seems to be the new "base" storage for PC's. All the newer models of laptops seem to have 500GB as the lowest storage option. Is every single laptop user going to use 500GB? Heck no. An "average user" probably won't even use half of that unless they, for some reason, have tons of games on it. So why include 500GB in the first place? Because the tech has advanced enough that putting in 500GB of storage is feasible, cheap, and looks better. If storage specs remained stagnant, I would be paying hundreds upon hundreds for terabytes since I "buy what I need".



And, once again, I will reiterate what I wrote. Everyone keeps throwing around the "you are not normal users, they need less storage" argument. Okay, that's true to an extant. But Apple themselves is advertising that the "average user" uses their smartphone for more and more things, per the "average 100 apps" and "most used camera" claims they made. They pride themselves on having a very popular and powerful smartphone that any person can pick up, and do 'professional' things on it. Then they heavily limit these "average users" by giving them 16GB.

You can defend it all you want, but Apple is NOT keeping 16GB to "appeal to the light user crowd". They're doing it to save money and make money, that's it. It's time though, to get with the times and change. Judging by some of the replies, you'd think we were asking for something absurd, like a hologram projector built in, or free iPhones. We're asking for a 16GB jump in base storage for a $650 phone. I don't think it's that outlandish.

You are doing the exact same thing. Your needs are influencing you to make the argument that 16GB is NOT ENOUGH for the average user. Do you have stats to back this up? An average is just that, an average. I only have about 8 apps on my phone, certainly not 100. 16GB is enough for some people, 64GB is enough for some people, and there are some people out there that absolutely need 128GB. Why do you get the right to say that my 16GB phone is not enough when I barely fill it up? It obviously is enough for some people, because I cannot be the only person with an iPhone that puts very little on it. My parents and grandma are the same way. They just use the stock apps, maybe get a few free ones, and that is it. My mom doesn't have any music or videos on her phone. She barely put a dent in the 16GB space.

There is no point in complaining about 16GB. If you need more, buy more. You guys keep saying "it is already a device at a premium price", but like I mention, storage is not the only component in the phone. It probably costs that much due to the other components.

I am not saying a base of 32GB or whatever is a bad idea. I am just tired of people here saying 16GB in 2015 is ridiculous!!!! That is not enough space in 2015!!!!

Yes there will be some people with 16GB phones that keep running out of space. But guess what? There will be some people running out of space if they make it 32GB.

I constantly, CONSTANTLY kept running out of space on my iPad Air 1 32GB. I had to buy the Air 2 at 128GB because I need that much space.

I wish they offered a 256GB iPad since I find 128GB to low for what I need. People's needs are different. I don't think anybody here has a right to say 16GB is ridiculous for an entry level. The only time it would make sense is when iOS whatever needs 15GB or some very large amount.

This is exactly like me complaining that SSD manufacturers are ridiculous for making a 120GB SSD version. That is too small for Windows and programs. I am not allowed to make a statement like that because I do not know everybody on the planet. There are people out there that use not even 80GBs on their computer. Just like I only use about 7GB on my phone.

People need to just stop saying 16GB is not enough in 2015 as if it was a fact. If iOS used 99% of 16GB, there would be a point to that argument.

Like I said, I would not care if they made 32GB the base. My only problem here is when people complain about the space when other options exist and they think they know everything like the polled every single iPhone user in existence. How can somebody say 16GB is not enough? Your own experience? Well there you go, people's needs are different.

 

[Zxxv]

Does the 64GB iPhone 6 cost the same as the 32GB iPhone 5S did?

I think it did or there abouts. May have been cheaper but I don't remember. It was a pleasant well received upgrade care of apple.

 

[JohnApples]

You are doing the exact same thing. Your needs are influencing you to make the argument that 16GB is NOT ENOUGH for the average user. Do you have stats to back this up? An average is just that, an average. I only have about 8 apps on my phone, certainly not 100. 16GB is enough for some people, 64GB is enough for some people, and there are some people out there that absolutely need 128GB. Why do you get the right to say that my 16GB phone is not enough when I barely fill it up? It obviously is enough for some people, because I cannot be the only person with an iPhone that puts very little on it. My parents and grandma are the same way. They just use the stock apps, maybe get a few free ones, and that is it. My mom doesn't have any music or videos on her phone. She barely put a dent in the 16GB space.

Sigh... it seems you're still not grasping what I'm saying.

I never stated MY needs. I get by on 16GB too, but that's because I have to limit what I do, and I don't even consider myself a heavy user by any definition of the word. You could list 100 examples of people you know who get by on 16GB and it wouldn't matter, because it is a fallacy argument. But that's not the point I was making, again. The point is that 32GB is the industry standard for base storage for all other phones. Light users, heavy users, doesn't matter. If they buy the base storage, they get 32GB. More than enough for the "grandmas and moms" who use a couple of apps.

But you forget this is the flagship device we're talking about here. Apple isn't advertising their newest device for those who hardly use their iPhone. If they were, they wouldn't include all those new tech enhancements we talked about. Using today's lineup, isn't that what the 5S and 5C are for? People who want to save some money and get a cheaper phone because they don't need to take advantage of all the new tech. Why design a brand new, state-of-the-art device, and then limit the base version for "those who won't use the features anyway"? That's counter intuitive.

There is no point in complaining about 16GB. If you need more, buy more. You guys keep saying "it is already a device at a premium price", but like I mention, storage is not the only component in the phone. It probably costs that much due to the other components.

I am not saying a base of 32GB or whatever is a bad idea. I am just tired of people here saying 16GB in 2015 is ridiculous!!!! That is not enough space in 2015!!!!

Price is a non-issue for them, I can pretty much guarantee that. Like I said, the rest of the industry has already done it, some of them for a couple of years now. Apple is just capitalizing on profit here.

Yes there will be some people with 16GB phones that keep running out of space. But guess what? There will be some people running out of space if they make it 32GB.

That's not what we're talking about here, and irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

I wish they offered a 256GB iPad since I find 128GB to low for what I need. People's needs are different. I don't think anybody here has a right to say 16GB is ridiculous for an entry level. The only time it would make sense is when iOS whatever needs 15GB or some very large amount.

It is ridiculous, because they are not designing a phone for a "light user". Can light users get the iPhone? Of course. But as I mentioned before, doesn't it seem silly to design an extremely powerful phone for those who aren't going to use all those advancements? 32GB base, while not a "huge" amount of storage, would be a much better start.

People need to just stop saying 16GB is not enough in 2015 as if it was a fact. If iOS used 99% of 16GB, there would be a point to that argument.

Like I said, I would not care if they made 32GB the base. My only problem here is when people complain about the space when other options exist and they think they know everything like the polled every single iPhone user in existence. How can somebody say 16GB is not enough? Your own experience? Well there you go, people's needs are different.

My arguments was not that "16GB is not enough for anyone". My argument is that they are not updating their storage with the rest of the industry. That they are improving and advancing several parts of the phone that require more space, but keep the space the same for the base model. Everyone would benefit, or at the very least, have more storage than they need. Nobody loses.

I mean, it seems to me that you're saying that Apple should keep designing their base storage around the crowd who won't be using the phone's features in the first place. Could you imagine a luxury car coming out, and the company that's selling it includes a tiny gas tank and uses the logic, "Well, most people only drive to and from work and that's it. The gas tank should be enough for them. For those who want a bigger gas tank (the average size that all other luxury car makers are including in their cars) they can just pay extra.

 

[sunking101]

Sigh. People who use their expensive iPhone to post on Facebook, check the odd email, make calls, send SMS, snap photos and occasionally google something arguing that 16GB is fine and 1GB of RAM is fine. 32GB of storage and 2-3GB of RAM is what some of us need, want and expect from a supposedly cutting edge smartphone which has a premium price tag.

 

[Michael Goff]

Sigh. People who use their expensive iPhone to post on Facebook, check the odd email, make calls, send SMS, snap photos and occasionally google something arguing that 16GB is fine and 1GB of RAM is fine. 32GB of storage and 2-3GB of RAM is what some of us need, want and expect from a supposedly cutting edge smartphone which has a premium price tag.

It must be nice to not have to respect the people who disagree with you.

 

[sunking101]

It must be nice to not have to respect the people who disagree with you.

I don't see what there is to disagree about. Nobody loses anything if the base storage level moves to 32GB. Well, Apple will lose a dollar or two on each unit sold but hey why does that affect you? Actually it isn't so much that they will lose some money, and more that they won't profit so much from selling out of date specs at premium prices. It all depends what kind of spin you want to put on it.

 

[Michael Goff]

I don't see what there is to disagree about. Nobody loses anything if the base storage level moves to 32GB. Well, Apple will lose a dollar or two on each unit sold but hey why does that affect you? Actually it isn't so much that they will lose some money, and more that they won't profit so much from selling out of date tech at premium prices. It all depends what kind of spin you want to put on it.

Why not 64-GB, then? Why not 128gb? Why did you choose that 32-gb is the amount that should be standard? I mean, shouldn't Apple be giving their customers the best products? Some people find 16 gb to be enough. You think Apple should provide 32gb because you think that's the "good number". Of course there is plenty to disagree about.

It might be good to have 32gb, but I personally can't find myself to be as angry about there being 16gb as you seem to be.

Also, they're selling out of date tech?

 

[matthewhuk]

How much does memory cost these days? Seriously Apple this is pathetic!

 

[sunking101]

Why not 64-GB, then? Why not 128gb? Why did you choose that 32-gb is the amount that should be standard? I mean, shouldn't Apple be giving their customers the best products? Some people find 16 gb to be enough. You think Apple should provide 32gb because you think that's the "good number". Of course there is plenty to disagree about.

It might be good to have 32gb, but I personally can't find myself to be as angry about there being 16gb as you seem to be.

Also, they're selling out of date tech?

I edited my post to change 'out of date tech' to 'out of date specs' but you quoted it before I changed it. A jump from 16 to 128GB wouldn't be very incremental and nobody would expect that. Heck, very few of us need that. My wish for 32GB is more in line with other premium smartphone specs in mid-2015. If Apple are going to release a phone this September, in late 2015, with 2014 storage specs then please continue trying to defend that.

 

[Michael Goff]

I edited my post to change 'out of date tech' to 'out of date specs' but you quoted it before I changed it. A jump from 16 to 128GB wouldn't be very incremental and nobody would expect that. Heck, very few of us need that. My wish for 32GB is more in line with other premium smartphone specs in mid-2015. If Apple are going to release a phone this September, in late 2015, with 2014 storage specs then please continue trying to defend that.

They'll sell it as long as people keep buying it, it's that simple.

 

[sunking101]

They'll sell it as long as people keep buying it, it's that simple.

Well that's horrid from a company who supposedly design cutting edge smartphones and sell them at premium prices. So you're essentially saying that they'll continue to milk their good name for all it's worth until the bubble bursts?

 

[Michael Goff]

Well that's horrid from a company who supposedly design cutting edge smartphones and sell them at premium prices. So you're essentially saying that they'll continue to milk their good name for all it's worth until the bubble bursts?

You put it that way, I put it as "Apple has always spent the least money for the most photo". It was that way under Steve Jobs and it's like that under Tim Cook. They're never had "cutting edge smartphones" in terms of specs (even storage). They likely never will. I'm really thinking Apple going to make you happy ... ever.

 

[Ethosik]

Sigh. People who use their expensive iPhone to post on Facebook, check the odd email, make calls, send SMS, snap photos and occasionally google something arguing that 16GB is fine and 1GB of RAM is fine. 32GB of storage and 2-3GB of RAM is what some of us need, want and expect from a supposedly cutting edge smartphone which has a premium price tag.

That is why multiple options exist. I don't do a lot on my iPhone. But it is nice having a full browser (linked to my Mac's keychain and favorites), some songs and podcasts on my phone. Why do you care that I got an expensive phone?

 

[sunking101]

That is why multiple options exist. I don't do a lot on my iPhone. But it is nice having a full browser (linked to my Mac's keychain and favorites), some songs and podcasts on my phone. Why do you care that I got an expensive phone?

Gah, multiple options. You're completely missing the point.