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In April, Tim Cook said 20% of iPhone users upgraded to the iPhone 6/6 Plus. That means 80% were switchers from Android and other platforms or new to smartphones. Maybe it's 25-30% now, I don't know. The point is a lot of people with older iPhones are itching to upgrade.

Sounds like you may be taking "20% of iPhone users upgraded" to mean the same thing as "20% of iPhone 6/+ buyers were upgrading from older iPhones." But these aren't the same...
 
In April, Tim Cook said 20% of iPhone users upgraded to the iPhone 6/6 Plus. That means 80% were switchers from Android and other platforms or new to smartphones. Maybe it's 25-30% now, I don't know. The point is a lot of people with older iPhones are itching to upgrade.
Thanks, I wasn't aware of that. That is awesome so many non-iPhone users switched over. I had no clue it was that much. Most of my friends are either hardcore apple or hardcore android. I always try to talk my android friends into switching but never goes over well.
 
You know that the hardware in the machine is only responsible for part of the performance of a device, right?

Android phones NEED more RAM to do the same things because the software is fatter.

You can compare android hardware specs to android hardware specs and get a rough estimate of expected performance. Comparing android specs to iOS specs is not an indicator of real world performance.

No but you can compare an Apple iPhone 6+ to a two generations older Apple iPhone 5 and notice that the iPhone 5 performs much, much better. We're not saying that iPhones need more RAM because Android have it, we're saying they need more RAM period. The fact Apple's competition have four times the amount is merely showing how technology and user requirements move on over time. Android manufacturers move with the times and you're very wrong if you think that the Android platform uses four times as much RAM as iOS.
 
Thanks, I wasn't aware of that. That is awesome so many non-iPhone users switched over. I had no clue it was that much. Most of my friends are either hardcore apple or hardcore android. I always try to talk my android friends into switching but never goes over well.
That's not how statistics are interpreted, I think the poster was mistaken a bit. mpavillion noted the same thing in a post above yours. 20% of iPhone users upgrading just means that, out of all the iPhone users in the world, only 20% moved to the 6/6+; leaving 80% of iPhone users on older devices. That says nothing of Android switchers, that statistic is not 80%, and I don't think an actual number has been released. It doesn't mean that a good number didn't switch, but it's more than likely somewhere near 20% and under; which is a complete guess in my part.
 
You know that the hardware in the machine is only responsible for part of the performance of a device, right?

Android phones NEED more RAM to do the same things because the software is fatter.

You can compare android hardware specs to android hardware specs and get a rough estimate of expected performance. Comparing android specs to iOS specs is not an indicator of real world performance.
While true, that a lot of skinned versions of Android (e.g. Samsung's Touchwiz) need more memory to operate, Android can run fairly well on 1-2GB of RAM. It's not AS efficient as iOS, but Google has been striving to decrease its memory usage footprint for Android with newer releases. However, none of this software optimization, in either iOS or Android, means that the devices wouldn't benefit from more RAM.

You are dead on in saying that comparing the hardware specs of the two platforms is pointless. The software is designed to take advantage of the hardware in different ways, and the hardware design is different for each manufacturer. It always surprises me how the A series processors run circles around th Qualcomm and Exynos chips, but real world experience and numbers don't lie.
 
While true, that a lot of skinned versions of Android (e.g. Samsung's Touchwiz) need more memory to operate, Android can run fairly well on 1-2GB of RAM. It's not AS efficient as iOS, but Google has been striving to decrease its memory usage footprint for Android with newer releases. However, none of this software optimization, in either iOS or Android, means that the devices wouldn't benefit from more RAM.

You are dead on in saying that comparing the hardware specs of the two platforms is pointless. The software is designed to take advantage of the hardware in different ways, and the hardware design is different for each manufacturer. It always surprises me how the A series processors run circles around th Qualcomm and Exynos chips, but real world experience and numbers don't lie.

Simple for me: 1 gig iPhone? No buy.

I didn't buy the iPhone 6 because it didn't have more RAM than my 5s.

If Apple pulls the same bonehead move again... I won't buy again.

It's a no brainer for me. The ball is in Apple's court now. We'll see what they do with it soon enough.
 
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I agree, no one outside of Apple is likely to have any new phone as of yet....after they announce the new models in September then you might see them...but until they announce the models speculation on what's inside is entirely that....speculation. Don't believe it until you hear it from apple on the announcement day....
 
This thread was an entertaining thread to read.

The "Note 5 needs 4 GB RAM because of Android" claim is quite hilarious.

I'd label that claim "Mostly False"

The most recent iteration of Lollipop + Samsung Bloatware currently requires 1.5 GB RAM, rounded up to the nearest tenth of a GB.
 
I like how you berate them for comparing Android to Apple when you do the same thing. Android can run fine with 1GB of RAM, and does not need 4 to stay afloat. iOS does run better with 1GB though, but it doesn't mean 2GB wouldn't do wonders for the device. Please don't post about memory requirements for an OS you seems to have little experience with. All it does is spread misinformation and creates unnecessary arguments and flame wars. Everyone knows Touchwiz is abloated beast that has been trying to lose weight, but still needs more resources than it should. If people didn't know that, then hopefully they know now.

where did I make any comment other than it being ridiculous that someone would come to an Apple forum and complain about how the specs aren't as good as Android? I did make a comparison, but not to complain about Apple.

You might think I have little experience with iOS, but you'd be dead wrong. I've got loads of experience with both iOS since day 1 (or iPhone OS, whatever you want to call it), and Android since the Cupcake/Donut days, so spreading mis-information is not part of my game.

Whatever I have said that's wrong, I'd love to be corrected, but i'm not sure you will find anything that was wrong. I never made any direct comparison with Touchwiz, just a general comparison between iOS and Android. Throw Samsung out the window...compare iOS to a Nexus device, the Android is still a memory hog in both storage and RAM requirements.

So, if you want to have an intelligent conversation about the differences, lets have it. If you want to assume what I know about both platforms, save your time...I won't be joining that argument. But, in my opinion, the place to complain about how worthless an iPhone is compared to an Android would be on an Android message forums, not here.
 
The vast majority of typical users, who represent the majority of those upgrading and buying new phones, don't really care about any of that really (and most don't even know what RAM is).

I couldn't have said it better myself! That's been my biggest point all along. The majority of Android switchers are trying to play the spec wars that Android manufacturers seem to be involved in. There's a big reason why Apple never advertises RAM, clock speeds, LTE category, etc...they don't want to compete! They advertise simplicity, point and click cameras, all age usability and reliability.

I'd venture to say 75% of people with an iPhone don't even realize that switching back and forth between tabs in Safari requires a page to reload, nor do they care. We are a special group that are phone geeks, the small group that actually does care. Would I like to see more RAM in my next iPhone, hell yes I would. Will I buy it with 1GB, hell yes I will. Why? Because I enjoy the experience enough that the lack of specs makes it worth it to me.
 
I couldn't have said it better myself! That's been my biggest point all along. The majority of Android switchers are trying to play the spec wars that Android manufacturers seem to be involved in. There's a big reason why Apple never advertises RAM, clock speeds, LTE category, etc...they don't want to compete! They advertise simplicity, point and click cameras, all age usability and reliability.

I'd venture to say 75% of people with an iPhone don't even realize that switching back and forth between tabs in Safari requires a page to reload, nor do they care. We are a special group that are phone geeks, the small group that actually does care. Would I like to see more RAM in my next iPhone, hell yes I would. Will I buy it with 1GB, hell yes I will. Why? Because I enjoy the experience enough that the lack of specs makes it worth it to me.
I mainly said that to reference the unfortunate reality, not really to say that spec bumps don't need to happen and are overdue at times. Not for the aspect of the numbers or specs themselves, but because they will in fact improve things (sure they won't magically address all existing issues or drawbacks, but that doesn't mean they won't help). And even if the majority doesn't care, and mostly because they don't know any better essentially, it's still something that is worthy of being discussed and should happen.
 
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where did I make any comment other than it being ridiculous that someone would come to an Apple forum and complain about how the specs aren't as good as Android? I did make a comparison, but not to complain about Apple.

You might think I have little experience with iOS, but you'd be dead wrong. I've got loads of experience with both iOS since day 1 (or iPhone OS, whatever you want to call it), and Android since the Cupcake/Donut days, so spreading mis-information is not part of my game.

Whatever I have said that's wrong, I'd love to be corrected, but i'm not sure you will find anything that was wrong. I never made any direct comparison with Touchwiz, just a general comparison between iOS and Android. Throw Samsung out the window...compare iOS to a Nexus device, the Android is still a memory hog in both storage and RAM requirements.

So, if you want to have an intelligent conversation about the differences, lets have it. If you want to assume what I know about both platforms, save your time...I won't be joining that argument. But, in my opinion, the place to complain about how worthless an iPhone is compared to an Android would be on an Android message forums, not here.
Never said that an Android phone is better than an iPhone. While true that iOS runs more efficiently, Android is not a hog. I never even said that an iPhone is a worthless device. Complain all you want about me assuming you have little experience with both OS's (which again is wrong), but jumping to conclusions, and making far reaching assertions won't get you anywhere. I wouldn't mind having an intelligent conversation about the differences, however I have no clue what you'd like to discuss. Take some time to calm down, and then post a few things you'd like to discuss; although this conversation would be quite off topic from the OP.
 
what if this isnt an apple decision but rather that 2GB of Ram isnt avail for them to make 70 MM iphones so they go with 1GB again. havent they made choices in the past based on supply? it was rumored the lack of 32GB model could have been due to this
 
I don't think upping the RAM to 2GB is very necessary. That said, I'd be shocked if they didn't bump the memory up. Make no mistake, iPhones are the flagship iOS devices - and now they committed to 2GB in iPads I'd expect the new iPhones to get the same treatment.
So true, cos safari tabs reloading all the time isn't an issue...said no one ever..
 
Well That Solves it a 3D Force Touch Feature that won't be fleshed out til next year and that no one needs. and we are still left with an A9 CPU and Super Graphics thats crippled by 1GB of RAM

Nicely done Apple no one will talk about this.


iPhone 7 2GB DDR4 RAM and an A10X CPU in 11 months and Dual Cameras for real time 3D Photos

See you guys in 2016.

Really amazing they planned this out well. I didn't even see much Split View on the iPhone 6S Plus when my Note 5 can do Everything the iPad Pro can on a 5.7 inch display.

Wow when you take a Step Back from Todays announcements I keep Saying WAIT A MINUTE HERE .
 
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Where you see or here about ram? I watched whole thing, they never mentioned ram. Past reveals they also never mentioned ram.

Won't know till first units delivered and torn down.
 
Where you see or here about ram? I watched whole thing, they never mentioned ram. Past reveals they also never mentioned ram.

Won't know till first units delivered and torn down.
 
Well That Solves it a 3D Force Touch Feature that won't be fleshed out til next year and that no one needs. and we are still left with an A9 CPU and Super Graphics thats crippled by 1GB of RAM

Nicely done Apple no one will talk about this.


iPhone 7 2GB DDR4 RAM and an A10X CPU in 11 months and Dual Cameras for real time 3D Photos

See you guys in 2016.

Really amazing they planned this out well. I didn't even see much Split View on the iPhone 6S Plus when my Note 5 can do Everything the iPad Pro can on a 5.7 inch display.

Wow when you take a Step Back from Todays announcements I keep Saying WAIT A MINUTE HERE .

Don't feed the troll.
 
maybe troll post? A8x already has 2 GB

heres my shameless troll post: they need to invite ifixit on stage for teardown next time. I think apple actually themselves dont even know how RAM is in there. Or maybe they can do an in app purchase where you upgrade and it opens up the controller to use 2 GB ram.
 
Well That Solves it a 3D Force Touch Feature that won't be fleshed out til next year and that no one needs. and we are still left with an A9 CPU and Super Graphics thats crippled by 1GB of RAM

Nicely done Apple no one will talk about this.


iPhone 7 2GB DDR4 RAM and an A10X CPU in 11 months and Dual Cameras for real time 3D Photos

See you guys in 2016.

Really amazing they planned this out well. I didn't even see much Split View on the iPhone 6S Plus when my Note 5 can do Everything the iPad Pro can on a 5.7 inch display.

Wow when you take a Step Back from Todays announcements I keep Saying WAIT A MINUTE HERE .


Apple never mentions the Memory on its iPhones. We still have to wait until the break down from iFixit

http://www.apple.com/iphone-6s/specs/
 
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