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Throw everything about people and what they might or might not do out the window, because if we look at it that way there are a million possibilities.

Is the following exaggerated situation not true?

5Mb/s speed, your getting the full speed for 20 mins and you watch multiple videos
Total Buffering time = 2 mins
Total watch time = 18 mins

Now you have a 10Mb/s, everything stays the same.
Total Buffering time = 1 mins (because of faster speed.)
Total watch time = 19 mins.

It is 100% true. Slice it what ever way you want, it will come out the same. If a video loads 1 mins faster you will have 1 more min of time to watch than you would have had before. Regardless of what else has to be done. This is basic math, stop taking into account what a person might or might not do and look at the facts.

You can't just say, people won't suddenly change their habits because there are 6 billion people in this world and I can guarantee you atleast one of them would if their cap went from 1GB to unlimited. I know mine would change a fair amount.

10 min HD = 34mb.
According to your stats, needing two hundred minutes more per month would add a whopping 680mb per month & you'd be right!!! =)
However... your figures rely on five minutes loading time per day. That's preposterous! You watch 10 videos a day... & wait 30 full seconds before each starts??
Lol. Nope!
You're loading times are more like 5 seconds, changing the data usage per month to about a tenth of a gig more... considering the extra usage you describe.
 
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10 min HD = 34mb.
According to your stats, needing two hundred minutes more per month would add a whopping 680mb per month & you'd be right!!! =)
However... your figures rely on five minutes loading time per day. That's preposterous! You watch 10 videos a day... & wait 30 full seconds before each starts??
Lol. Nope!
You're loading times are more like 5 seconds, changing the data usage per month to about a tenth of a gig more... considering the extra usage you describe.

again your going and looking at what I and everyone else does and doesn't do do. That was a hypothetical situation.

Do you think everyone lives life the way do and streams the same content? For all you know I could be streaming 4k content. So you agree that faster speeds means I am able to watch more video, even if it is 5 seconds?

Lets assume that my loading times are only 5 seconds. 5 seconds of a 4k video can be close to 50Mb, twice a day 5 days a week that comes close to a gig.

But you are right, if we all live in that one scenario it will only be 1 tenth of a gig but regardless that is more than if you had a slower connection.
 
again your going and looking at what I and everyone else does and doesn't do do. That was a hypothetical situation.

Do you think everyone lives life the way do and streams the same content? For all you know I could be streaming 4k content. So you agree that faster speeds means I am able to watch more video, even if it is 5 seconds?

Lets assume that my loading times are only 5 seconds. 5 seconds of a 4k video can be close to 50Mb, twice a day 5 days a week that comes close to a gig.

But you are right, if we all live in that one scenario it will only be 1 tenth of a gig but regardless that is more than if you had a slower connection.

Well...
I honestly hope it causes you no discomfort & you never get charged extra. However, this seems to fall more on phone companies & stingy plans being the culprit then anything, yeah? Surely crippling speed on the hardware to "dumb down" streams to consume less data with a phony speed wall to hit isn't the answer.

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Remember that this chip consumes less power as well.
 
Because of the retina screen, front facing camera and redesign, yes it was a huge jump.

But tech wise? No way was it a big jump tech wise, let alone the "biggest" jump tech wise. It uses almost the exact same chips, only with a higher clock speed and in a more power efficient design. And twice the RAM but that was necessary given the retina screen and what came with it.

CPU and GPU aren't everything (and the CPU was 70% faster -- not just a small bump). Retina display is a huge hardware upgrade, camera was significantly improved (5MP, 720p video, and flash), a gyroscope was added, noise canceling mic was added, and RAM was significant since even the iPad didn't have 512 back then.

That phone was a more significant upgrade over the 3GS than the 5 was over the 4S or 6 over the 5S
 
So, a new LTE chip that will benefit no one in the US because the carriers won't support that speed?

I guess Apple is back to throwing up the middle finger to the "S" upgrade cycle. Unshocking, though -- the 5S has really been the only S series phone worth owning.
The 3GS is still running remarkably well for those who own one.
 
if your on a 30-45minute bus ride, are you going to be stuck on 1 page?

If you enjoy reading, you can easily go through 10-20 pages of articles/forums etc in 30 mins.

If you save 10secs per page load, that is an extra 3 mins you get to read one more article/page/...

That's why 100 post threads would be such a boon.

If you lose your connection whilst travelling, you have more to read.

Personally, I'd be happy with 1,000 post threads. The fewer pages, the better.
 
From the original 9to5Mac report, this is another bit that I find potentially quite exciting...

We are also told that the new iPhone’s motherboard is slightly narrower and more compact overall than the iPhone 6’s and iPhone 6 Plus’s motherboard, which could mean extra room for a modestly larger battery.

iOS 9 battery saving features already announced, geometry shrink on the main SoC almost certain, power improvements on LTE discussed here, very likely power improvements in other components, and now maybe a little bit more internal width freed up for more battery volume. All in all the 6s might just be shaping up to be the model that I've been waiting for for a long time, the one where there is a very worthwhile improvement in battery life.

Coming from an iPhone 5 I should be able to set my 6s to permanent powersave mode and still see a big improvement in performance vs my old phone. Then add in the possible hardware improvements, plus the existing 6 already has slightly more battery life than my 5, and I think I've got a very good chance of getting at least a 50% improvement in battery life and maybe more vs my current iP5.
 
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Except now Netflix will stream at a higher bitrate because you have a higher quality pipe (okay, configure it to stay lower - sure).

His original argument stands though ... If it takes less time to load data, you will be able to make more requests / load more data.

Anyone who thinks a faster pipe doesn't lead to more data use is naive.

Netflix already streams at their highest bitrate on my current LTE connection. Netflix itself says it requires 5Mbps for HD and 25Mbps for UltraHD - both of which are well within the current LTE capability, and this upgraded chipset will not make Netflix stream at a higher bitrate.
 
Whats the advantage of a faster LTE when you are limited to 2-5GB a month. Bandwidth is where it is. 150mbps should be plenty of speed for anything you want already.
 
CPU and GPU aren't everything (and the CPU was 70% faster -- not just a small bump). Retina display is a huge hardware upgrade, camera was significantly improved (5MP, 720p video, and flash), a gyroscope was added, noise canceling mic was added, and RAM was significant since even the iPad didn't have 512 back then.

That phone was a more significant upgrade over the 3GS than the 5 was over the 4S or 6 over the 5S

Again, from a tech spec perspective, it was not. I meant CPU and GPU specifically with regards to the "chip set". Certainly there were other improvements from a feature perspective that were significant, and I already agreed with you on that.

For you perhaps the CPU & GPU are not everything, but my whole point was that is not the case for many iPhone users. There are a large portion of iPhone fans who desire faster phones. It is erroneous for some people to suggest that the "S" models offer "nothing" or "marginal" upgrades. They bring the largest tech jumps.

The 4 was not 70% faster than the 3GS. How did you arrive at that number? Using a geekbench CPU benchmark? Because that actually shows the 3GS had about 70-75% the CPU (single core) speed of the 4. There were other benchmarks that also demonstrated, at the time when the 4 was a new device, that it was not a big jump from the 3GS...mostly due to the using "similar" chips.

A "100%" increase in power is a 2-fold increase in power, for reference. The 4 had higher clocked chips, 800 MHz to the 3GS's 600 MHz - which certainly makes a difference.

But paired with the retina display, both phones were fairly even when it came to real world performance - WiFi aside (as the 4 has a much better WiFi chip than the 3GS). In fact, the 3GS ran iOS 5 and especially iOS 6 better than the 4 at times - known anecdotally amongst 3GS users when it came out. That likely has a lot to do with the limited features on the 3GS but the point is, it was comparable in real world performance. Many people are not aware as to how similar the CPU/GPU were in the 3GS and the 4.

Consider that, the 3GS even with half the ram, had a 25-30% slower CPU and almost identical GPU, yet had to power 4x *less* pixels to worry about than the iPhone 4 and its amazing retina display did, and it is understandable how the 3GS could outperform the 4 in real world settings, at times.

The 5 brought its own set of features over the 4S and did offer a solid chipset upgrade, unlike the 6 over the 5S.

I think you misunderstood my original post - the point was in the very last paragraph. I am well aware as to how significant the retina display was in the 4. The iPhone 4 was, after all, my first iPhone and I chose it over the 3GS for a reason. But I am not ignorant to the fact it was not a jump at all in CPU/GPU

The largest CPU/GPU jumps have always come with the "S" models, and the hope is that it does not change for the 6S. Many posters are brushing off the 6S as "yet another tiny spec bump" whereas that is simply not the truth about "S" models. As they have the same case designs, the need to bring value in some tangible way, and that tends to be improved features and much more powerful phones.
 
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I was being sarcastic....

Lets take this hypotethical situation: 5Mb/s speed, your getting the full speed for 20 mins and you watch multiple videos
Total Buffering time = 2 mins
Total watch time = 18 mins

Now you have a 10Mb/s, everything stays the same.
Total Buffering time = 1 mins (because of faster speed.
Total watch time - 19 mins.

Now you following?

No. Buffering time with LTE is typically a couple seconds, and that's in an area with slow LTE rates, around 25 Mbit/sec. If rates were to double, for the five videos seen in 30 minutes I referred to, I would have an extra 5 seconds in that 30 minute bus ride, for watching more videos. Five seconds worth. For normal LTE it would be even less "extra data" used to watch 30 minutes of video on a 30 minute bus ride. Mice nuts. Maybe if you live in North Korea where rates are super low would that buffering time be a factor.

Using more data is driven by lack of self control, not faster data rates.
 
No. Buffering time with LTE is typically a couple seconds, and that's in an area with slow LTE rates, around 25 Mbit/sec. If rates were to double, for the five videos seen in 30 minutes I referred to, I would have an extra 5 seconds in that 30 minute bus ride, for watching more videos. Five seconds worth. For normal LTE it would be even less "extra data" used to watch 30 minutes of video on a 30 minute bus ride. Mice nuts. Maybe if you live in North Korea where rates are super low would that buffering time be a factor.

Using more data is driven by lack of self control, not faster data rates.

are we still doing this? lol

You are assuming every single variable in that situation. What if I am streaming 4k content? 8k? With skylake around the corner, it is very possible that our laptops will have 4k netflix.

Faster data rates allows me to use more data in the same amount of time than slower data rates. That statement make you happier? it takes into account a persons will power as well.
 
are we still doing this? lol

You are assuming every single variable in that situation. What if I am streaming 4k content? 8k? With skylake around the corner, it is very possible that our laptops will have 4k netflix.

Faster data rates allows me to use more data in the same amount of time than slower data rates. That statement make you happier? it takes into account a persons will power as well.

No, just going with the variables you laid out in your hypothetical 30 minute bus ride, and your conclusion about the extra minute saved. Again, that assumes an extremely low base rate, your 5 MBit/sec.
 
No, just going with the variables you laid out in your hypothetical 30 minute bus ride, and your conclusion about the extra minute saved. Again, that assumes an extremely low base rate, your 5 MBit/sec.

I give up lol.

Your right.
 
Whats the advantage of a faster LTE when you are limited to 2-5GB a month. Bandwidth is where it is. 150mbps should be plenty of speed for anything you want already.
Because that 150mbps is the throughput that is shared between everyone connected to that base station, and every other network using the same frequency.

Sure 150mbps is not going to see any particular use streamed to a single person - but split that bandwidth between 30 people and you're suddenly down to just 5mbps.

A tech that doubles the capacity means that with the same quantity of users, you now download at 10mbps instead.

This is all about about congestion alleviation and improving performance in congested networks. The less efficient a device is, the more load it causes. In reality, carrier should be billing on this load - but they don't because it would be very complex to do (and confusing for customers), since signal quality is also a factor that determines the actual load effect. (Weaker quality = higher load)
 
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In this case they do not even really double the capacity.

Example: T-Mobile in Germany already offers 300Mbit/s service. They used to offer up to 150 Mbit/sec on 1800 MHz and up to 150 Mbit/sec on 2600 MHz.

The 300 Mbit/sec service just allows you to connect to the 1800 MHz and the 2600 MHz services at the same time. Both are combined into a single "channel". This is called "carrier aggregation".

Without carrier aggregation situations with one band congested and the other band unused are common. With CA it is much easier for the network to spread the load evenly and efficiently.

Real world tests on the German T-Mobile network: 300 Mbit/sec was never achieved. But 100+ is common and peaks are some 180+.

Christian

A tech that doubles the capacity means that with the same quantity of users, you now download at 10mbps instead.
 
But who really needs 100+MB/s on a mobile phone? That is for showing off.
Instead of speeds over 100MB/s I would prefer for example speeds of 15MB/s but really everywhere and with fast response times.
The carriers should focus more on VoLTE. That is - depending on carrier and country - still rare.

Instead of higher bandwidth the power consumption should be more important.
 
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