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Samsung here..

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The numbers so far look like standard error deviations, some so small as to be laughable. Even if there were a statistical difference in geekbench score there is little reason to believe that it will actually impact the specs of the device or real-life performance.

I'd be willing to bet that there is more variance within a model, than between the models. That said, now that there is a hardware difference, any heat, lag, screen, tint, pixel etc issue, no matter how spurious the correlation will be attributed to this.
 
Linking this article is a bit disingenuous because everyone had issues with 20nm for GPUs. That's why it's 2015 and all consumer GPU's on the market are still 28nm. Crafting a GPU is not even in the same universe as crafting a significantly less complex SoC.
Not at all - first it deals with 22nm. As a response to a general statement about TSMC's reputation among manufacturers, however, the focus wasn't on the process itself but how the company handled the issues encountered, communicated, level of support provided and the amount of risk assumed with their partner. AMD didn't have those same business complaints even though they also had technical production issues with their former GlobalFoundries subsidiary as it provided a very high level support of support akin to an IDM.
 
Smaller die size runs cooler, cooler chips can run at higher speed they also take longer to start throttling due to heat. It's probably probably insignificant but doesn't change the fact smaller die is usually better.
The point is differences are negligible in this case...
I don't see what the big deal is. If the iPhone functions, and performs, as desired and expected, why would anyone care about which chip the iPhone has, and want to return/exchange for a different one?
We are on MR forums, don't you know ?
Ahem... Did you at least read the article?
 
If you get the Samsung chip, you might get a slightly faster chip with slightly better battery. If you get the TSMC chip, you get the satisfaction of not supporting Samsung. Give me the TSMC chip!
 
How are these overheating issues manifesting themselves?

What kind of overheating issues?

"Oh the phone feels hot" or On-screen warnings about high-temps?

It started right out of the box. I noticed my brightness was being limited to 50% while restoring my backup. Today, I got an actual warning saying my phone needed to cool down before being able to use it.

Every instance of overheating was indoors at a comfortable temperature, no sunlight involved.

Hey, you wouldn't happen to have or mind grabbing Geekbench 3 and seeing what scores you get, would you? So far you're the only one I've noticed who definitely has the 65 Plus and a different chip.

Just downloaded and ran it. Pretty sure the results are normal.
 

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Don't you want to rip your phone apart just to find out whether the chip in your phone is Xmm smaller? I mean, it has such a great effect on people's lives that people need to trash perfectly good devices to find out. It's *that* importantant!

Nope; just want what I pay for that's equal to what everyone else received when they purchased the same item. For this and anything else I spend my hard earned money on.
 
Nope; just want what I pay for that's equal to what everyone else received when they purchased the same item. For this and anything else I spend my hard earned money on.

I'm positive the phone you received will perform as advertised or will be replaced by Apple if it fails to live up to it's published specs.
 
Oh God... It's coming isn't it.
Exchanges for a different chip model. Complaints about battery life being different.
"My one gets 1 degree hotter than my brother's. Is this a major problem?"
EDIT:
Waiting for: http://stevejobswouldnever.com/

Er... temperature and power consumption between 16nm and 14nm is negligible, if the architecture is the same.

The key of temperature and power consumption in 20nm-or-less process is architecture. In such scale the channeling effect is significant, so FinFET, or 3D ti-gate transistor structure, is used instead. Thus electron channel length of each transistor is not limited to the width of wire anymore.

The benefit of 14nm over 16nm is the density of chips in the same size of silicon waffle. 10% less in die size equals to 10% more of productivity of each production line, and more productivity means higher gross margin of chip manufacturer. However, it's not something the consumers should be worried about.

Oh what the hell Apple...

Actually I've no idea why people are freaking about this issue.

16nm and 14nm are considered the same generation that succeed to the 20nm process. If Apple put chips of different generations (20nm vs 14/16nm, or 14/16nm vs 10nm) into devices, that would be a problem. But it's not the case.
 
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Er... temperature and power consumption between 16nm and 14nm is negligible, if the architecture is the same.

The key of temperature and power consumption in 20nm-or-less process is architecture. In such scale the channeling effect is significant, so FinFET, or 3D ti-gate transistor structure, is used instead. Thus electron channel length of each transistor is not limited to the width of wire anymore.

The benefit of 14nm over 16nm is the density of chips in the same size of silicon waffle. 10% less in die size equals to 10% more of productivity of each production line, and more productivity means higher gross margin of chip manufacturer. However, it's not something the consumers should be worried about.



Actually I've no idea why people are freaking about this issue.

16nm and 14nm are considered the same generation that succeed to the 20nm process. If Apple put chips of different generations (20nm vs 14/16nm, or 14/16nm vs 10nm) into devices, that would be a problem. But it's not the case.
That comment wasn't about how Apple is stupid. Its about how Apple should have seen the stupidity of people coming that think 16 vs 14nm actually even matters.
 
That comment wasn't about how Apple is stupid. Its about how Apple should have seen the stupidity of people coming that think 16 vs 14nm actually even matters.

Ok got it. The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.
 
Nope; just want what I pay for that's equal to what everyone else received when they purchased the same item. For this and anything else I spend my hard earned money on.

Ummm, everyone's iPhone is the same, performance wise. OMG, the things people obsess over. If it turns out that one of the chips performs .00000001% faster, and you have the other one. I hope you attempt to take it back to the store. I'd love to see the looks on the store employees faces.
 
I will agree that Samsung has more expertise in building refrigerators, and in copying TVs and vacuum cleaners.

But everyone in the industry knows is that for semiconductors, TSMC is absolutely the number one.

I hate Samsung more than anyone, but that's some delusional bullsh*t
 
Verizon 6s 128 GB Silver
TSMC Chip
2533 Single
4414 Multi

Kind of feels like these benchmarks are all over the place.
Ive seen samsungs lower than mine...
Maybe the app is not detecting properly?

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Verizon 6s 128 GB Silver
TSMC Chip
2533 Single
4414 Multi

Kind of feels like these benchmarks are all over the place.
Ive seen samsungs lower than mine...
Maybe the app is not detecting properly?

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Battery life will likely be the most noticeable difference between the two chips for most users.

Performance would come into play with regard to thermal control, possibly throttling back sooner. Ars noted the 6S does drop off while running the GeekBench 3 "work in progress" test for it, which is available here. It would be interesting to see the comparison between thermal throttling on Samsung and TSMC versions of the 6S in particular - test durations longer than the standard benchmark test runs for. The larger 6S+ doesn't have the same issues dissipating heat.

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