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Why can't they simply make the antenna lines invisible? Everyone hates them and they are completely unnecessary.

I'm sure Ive hates them too, so if they are there you can bet they're necessary for radio transparency.
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No one wants a dongle for their headphones, horrible move. Don't be surprised if this is scrapped for the 7s and all 7 users are stuck with this mistake until they upgrade again. I don't mind a touch sensitive home button as long as you can still press it as well, call me old fashioned but physical buttons are more convenient for me when I'm out and about.

I don't get it. Why would a physical button necessarily be more convenient for you when you're out and about?
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No one wants a dongle for their headphones, horrible move. Don't be surprised if this is scrapped for the 7s and all 7 users are stuck with this mistake until they upgrade again. I don't mind a touch sensitive home button as long as you can still press it as well, call me old fashioned but physical buttons are more convenient for me when I'm out and about.

I don't get it. Why would a physical button necessarily be more convenient for you when you're out and about?
 
Yes, because buying a new phone shouldn't be less than $1000 investment in total! We're getting off way too cheap at the moment. Buy the CarPlay receiver and half a dozen dongles to be sure you don't waste your money for anything else.
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Yes, really. It's a matter of either replacing a few $k worth of equipment to make it all iphone 7 compatible or just giving up. Then again, if the rumors about the new retina macbook are true there's a second reason not to look towards Apple for anything anymore. Two reasons: only USB-C -ports (and only 4 of them) and probably the same crap-awful keyboard they had in the Macbook 12". If either comes true Apple doesn't have a device I'd want to use. Windows world is anything but great, but at least there's still manufacturers who make laptops with working keyboards. It matters more to me. You can keep all the wafer-thin macbooks, I use mine for working, not slicing tomatoes.

Dude, don't get me started on how much Apple gear costs. With how the Canadian dollar has slid (we were at par for the longest time - and from a COLI standpoint, it really should be at par) - we absolutely get raped when it comes to buying Apple gear. My 6s was $1400 - all in (including taxes) - my Apple Watch was $1600 (had to get the space black...sorry...it's the Darth Vader of watches....and it originally didn't come with the sport band, like I wanted it to) *sigh*
Just two examples. As bad as you guys think you have it, travel north...we have it worse.

Regarding the MacBooks - if they really are continuing to destroy the mac brand, then you just may want to stumble over to http://www.tonymacx86.com/threads/laptop-compatibility.106791/ and see how easy it would be to take something off of the shelf and use the loaders that they have to make it easier.

Sorry, I actually had my last co-op at Microsoft supporting windows, windows for workgroups and NT (when '95 was in beta...actually got in hell for taking an alpha home :) ) - I was an anti-Mac person for the longest time. Then came OS X and my love of all things Unix and I was a believer. Never enjoyed such a level of stability outside of the enterprise Unix's on big iron. btw...I worked at BlackBerry for 8 years and wore a 3Gs on my hip next to my corporate BB, trying to get Lazaridis pissed off enough that he would wake up and make the changes that were needed.

Oh...and what Apple truly did miraculously well? They did what Sony did - with making all of their products working together...and took it to heights no-one dreamed of. THAT was the secret sauce. That is what won over so many tech junkies.

All things change. In some ways regrettably. I've noticed many things about Apple that are eerily similar to how IBM and BlackBerry used to be (not in a good way). Time will tell.
 
It's completely illogical for you to complain about dongles but in the next breath say you would support USB-C 100%. Both would result in the same number of ports (which is looking like one right now), and both would require most users to buy new headphones or use an adaptor. USB-C would have exactly the same drawbacks that you're pinning on a Lightning port.

Exactly.

Removing the 3.5mm Jack will result in adapters being used with legacy gear no matter what kind of digital port remains. Why compound those Apple customer's problems, and every other Apple customer's who don't need adapters, all of whom only 4 years ago had to replace all of their 30-pin cables and accessories with Lightning, by making them all switch to USBc? It makes no sense. Especially when one considers almost nothing uses USBc at the moment. Forget your USBc cable on a trip? Good luck finding or borrowing one.

It makes even less sense when the obvious path for Apple is wireless -- which means by the time USBc achieves market saturation, Apple will have likely moved enough into wireless to eliminate the Lightning cable, thus sparing its customers yet another cable transition.
 
I agree, I think I will skip the IP7, as I have purchased an ipad pro and imac 5k, the 6s is doing just fine and i have very little incentive to upgrade. However, I only update annually, and out of interest, why do you update your phone twice a year?

Biannual can mean both twice a year and every other year. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/biannual

I'll let you guess which meaning would make more sense in this case :p
 
Apple loves to make money any way it can. Knowing the masses will buy anything Apple sells, dongles will be a great source of additional profit.

Dongles are easily lost, therefore sales will be robust and highly profitable.

This thread alone reveals how many eager Apple devotees love dongles. Programmed to open their wallet on command, it's an easy sell.
Does anyone here genuinely believe that Apple is removing the headphone jack for the sole or primary purpose of trying to profit off adaptors?
 
Even if the phone comes with an adaptor that's pretty much useless while you walk round with the phone in your jeans pocket. The lightning connector couldn't handle it. You sit down, it snaps. Yay, let's buy another dongle assuming the lightning port didn't break.

That rather depends on the design of the adaptor, it would be very badly designed if it broke when you sat down. I'm neutral on removing the socket but I'll wait to judge Apple on the design of the adaptor until I've seen it rather than just guessing.

Does anyone here genuinely believe that Apple is removing the headphone jack for the sole or primary purpose of trying to profit off adaptors?

I genuinely hope not but I suspect a few people will.
 
Does anyone here genuinely believe that Apple is removing the headphone jack for the sole or primary purpose of trying to profit off adaptors?

If they don't, then they're just stirring up trouble (I don't want to call anybody names here). I'd live an easy way to keep track of all the posts by those who make exactly this assertion as the premise of their argument against removing it. If bet it's close to half or more.
 
If they don't, then they're just stirring up trouble (I don't want to call anybody names here). I'd live an easy way to keep track of all the posts by those who make exactly this assertion as the premise of their argument against removing it. If bet it's close to half or more.

Then why have you repeatly called people trolls? And why have you posted your strawman phone pic if you don't want to stir things. :rolleyes:

I have kept track of all your postings to this topic, too. :p
 
Now that I see more pictures of the 7 Plus, I'm starting to like that camera hump. That bevel is beautiful

Why do they continually put the camera right next to the edge of the phone?
The amount of times I have accidentally put my finger over the lens while trying to take a pic has been thousands.

A better way would be to hide the camera inside the Apple logo on the back...
 
Why do they continually put the camera right next to the edge of the phone?
The amount of times I have accidentally put my finger over the lens while trying to take a pic has been thousands.

A better way would be to hide the camera inside the Apple logo on the back...
And be similar to others, I think not. I think the camera bump would be taller if it was near or inside the Apple logo.
 
Then why have you repeatly called people trolls? And why have you posted your strawman phone pic if you don't want to stir things. :rolleyes:

I have kept track of all your postings to this topic, too. :p

The User your referring to in your post has a very hard time accepting the 3.5 Jack will be deleted, from posts over 6 months ago and ultimately defends why Apple is in the wrong for a putting a 'Useless' stereo speaker in its place. For some, it's a mid life crisis, others accept we are moving forward with technology. I also like to keep track.
 
That rather depends on the design of the adaptor, it would be very badly designed if it broke when you sat down. I'm neutral on removing the socket but I'll wait to judge Apple on the design of the adaptor until I've seen it rather than just guessing.



I genuinely hope not but I suspect a few people will.

The reality is, if someone is sitting with their iPhone in such a way that the Lightning plug would snap off, the same thing would happen to the 3.5mm Jack. I've definitely had a few ruined plugs and jacks thanks to putting to much strain on them.

The Lightning connector is one of the most robust I've ever used. I have a new Lightning dock where the phone 'floats' on the Lightning plug. I must take it in and off that thing 30 times a day, and after almost a year, it's still going strong. I put a lot of torque and strain on it, and not once has it shown any possibility of 'snapping off'.

Some people on this forum have agendas. They refuse to try and understand anyone's differing point of view, because they only have one goal, and everything they debate is designed to support their premise, whether reasonable or not. It is not logical or reasonable to assume Apple is out to screw the customer, nor themselves, yet that's the point of departure many seem to start their debate from.
 
And plug another in my car and keep it there? And yet another at the office? And one in my home stereo? Wow, problem solved! And it only cost me $100.

Quite the optimist aren't we..?

Cars and home stereos all use lightning or BT these days. As for your office I'm sure you'll figure something out. The only thing I'd need an adaptor for is for one set of headphones, so yeah, I'll just leave it on the end.
 
For those of you saying you need 3.5mm jack for your car, what year/make/model do you have? I'm guessing it has to be 5+ years old, as it seems that all new cars have USB ports for hooking up phones/thumb drives for listening to music. Some new cars are even ditching the 3.5mm input altogether (Honda has for most newer cars). Do you really expect Apple to keep supporting your 8+ year old car?

Same thing with home stereos, what do you have? Does it really not support USB input or Airplay? If not you should really think about upgrading as you are missing out on this and likely missing out on Dolby True HD and DTS HD-MA etc.
 
So, swap out a universal for a proprietary, for thinness, yet keep the camera bump, because thick is okay up top. Got it. And buy a case, which thickens the phone again.


Whose marketing is this?
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I know I'm probably pouring gas on the fire but 3.5mm jacks for headphones are essentially legacy (read - obsolete) technology for smartphones. Here is one article of several that is on-point. Food for thought: is 3.5mm audio plug the new floppy drive?


Obsolete how? The article you posted just says they're old- not that they're inefficient. Nor that the sound quality is better through Lightning- we still listen in analog (see the DAC that's still needed, Lightning or no ) and Bluetooth does not do well due to lag and sound quality. So ok, it's old. The wheel is older. Both work great for what they're supposed to do. Lightning does not improve sound quality, requires a dongle if you don't want to change, and doesn't make the device any more waterproof. So, change just for change's sake?
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For those of you saying you need 3.5mm jack for your car, what year/make/model do you have? I'm guessing it has to be 5+ years old, as it seems that all new cars have USB ports for hooking up phones/thumb drives for listening to music. Some new cars are even ditching the 3.5mm input altogether (Honda has for most newer cars). Do you really expect Apple to keep supporting your 8+ year old car?

Same thing with home stereos, what do you have? Does it really not support USB input or Airplay? If not you should really think about upgrading as you are missing out on this and likely missing out on Dolby True HD and DTS HD-MA etc.

So let's see ... airlines, I guess Airbus and Boeing should upgrade all their designs, and Delta, Untied, American, etc. should upgrade their fleets. OK how about laptos, Dell, HP, Apple (yea Apples uses the 3.5mm in their laptops), Lenova, Asus, etc. all those need to change ... but wait, is everyone going to adopt Apple's proprietary connector, not likely. How about other mobile phone manufactures using the 3.5mm plug, they gonna adopt lightning ... not. OK what about desktop computers, again HP, Dell, Apple, etc., not likely. What about music player manufactuers, stereo manufactures, autos, etc., nope.

The fact is the 3.5mm adapeter is way more universal across computers, phones, music, players, cars, commercial aircraft, stereo manufactuers, on and on and on. This is not simply moving away from the floppy disk or the CD, this standard touches all kinds of companies, effecting hundreds of millions of consumers around the world who have collectively spent billions on headsets, earbuds, etc.

This is a garbage move in Apple's cult quest to gain a fraction of a millimeter in thickness. Better waterproofing you say, bull I say, they can make a waterproof 3.5mm jack.

Wouldn't it be ironic if two groups of future mobile phone users emerged, those who used phones that have the 3.5mm audio jack standard and those who use "the other" standard. It will be like those who use Windows and those who choose MacOS. I would say, thank you Apple for creating the audio jack culture war of standards where we once had harmony.
 
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For those of you saying you need 3.5mm jack for your car, what year/make/model do you have? I'm guessing it has to be 5+ years old, as it seems that all new cars have USB ports for hooking up phones/thumb drives for listening to music. Some new cars are even ditching the 3.5mm input altogether (Honda has for most newer cars). Do you really expect Apple to keep supporting your 8+ year old car?

Same thing with home stereos, what do you have? Does it really not support USB input or Airplay? If not you should really think about upgrading as you are missing out on this and likely missing out on Dolby True HD and DTS HD-MA etc.

I just rented a car this weekend. Older model. Didn't have any built-in USB ports, only 12v lighter style. The radio had no BT, or USB, only a 3.5mm jack. Guess what I don't own? Yup a male-to-male 3.5mm adapter that I only need on this one rental car. Guess I'm listening to the radio this trip.

By the way, I flew here on an American Airlines domestic flight and plugged my iPhone into the built-in USB port in the entertainment system. You know what else I bet that USB port will support with a software update? That's right ... Digital audio.
 
Back when I flew often none of the planes had 3.5mm jacks, they all had that proprietary double jack and you had to use their headphones. That was 10 years ago though, so I'm not as familiar with current planes. So they have obviously updated that in recent years already if they have 3.5mm jacks now (I guarantee all those planes aren't less than 10 years old). If they've been updated before would it be all that surprising if they get updated again to ditch the 3.5mm jack and provide USB-C ports that can charge your phone or be used with headphones to listen to music/videos? But, I wasn't talking about planes anyway.

3.5mm may be the standard right now (or in the past), but I think it is becoming obvious that companies are moving away from it. You have other phones dropping it, not just Apple, you have car manufacturers dropping it, I haven't seen it as an actual input on a new stereo in quite a while (you have to use a 3.5mm adaptor to RCA jacks), etc. We are moving to Bluetooth, Airplay (or other WiFi connection) and connection over USB instead.

I have never claimed that they are dropping it for thickness or waterproofing, and I don't think they are. I think they are dropping it because it is becoming an unnecessary addition of parts. Removing it can remove parts, cost, and points of failure. As well as allowing them to use that space for other things like another speaker and more battery.
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I just rented a car this weekend. Older model. Didn't have any built-in USB ports, only 12v lighter style. The radio had no BT, or USB, only a 3.5mm jack. Guess what I don't own? Yup a male-to-male 3.5mm adapter that I only need on this one rental car. Guess I'm listening to the radio this trip.

By the way, I flew here on an American Airlines domestic flight and plugged my iPhone into the built-in USB port in the entertainment system. You know what else I bet that USB port will support with a software update? That's right ... Digital audio.

You just said it right there, an older model car. We are talking about a future iPhone, so why worry about older cars that much? Future cars (and most current ones) use USB inputs for hooking up phones/USB drives to listen to music. That said you could go to pretty much any store or gas station and pick up a cheap 3.5mm cable to hook up your phone. Just like I'm sure later this year/early next year you will be able to go into any of those stores and pick up a cheap lightning to 3.5mm cable to accomplish the same thing (or lightning to USB-C, or lightning headphones, etc).

And yes, I was just saying planes will most likely start switching to USB ports that can charge phones or supply audio to digital headphones.
 
Planes have had 3.5mm jacks for longer than 10 years. Immediately prior to that, they had a double mono 3.5mm jack that was electrically compatible to the stereo 3.5mm. AAMOF, the headphones they'd give you had this double prong connector, where one was stereo and the other one mono. You used both in the aircraft, but if uou folded the mono jack, it became a standard 3.5mm stereo jack. You could use your own headphones, but would only get mono. That standard replaced the proprietary air-powered headphones. Thing is, moving to the single stereo 3.5mm was a small retrofit in the seat. For quite a while, seats would still have both holes, one being empty.

You can bet the airline industry is not going to go digital anytime soon. When they sell you crappy $0.25 earbuds for $4.00, why would they change their system and have to supply digital earbuds?
 
I just rented a car this weekend. Older model. Didn't have any built-in USB ports, only 12v lighter style. The radio had no BT, or USB, only a 3.5mm jack. Guess what I don't own? Yup a male-to-male 3.5mm adapter that I only need on this one rental car. Guess I'm listening to the radio this trip.

By the way, I flew here on an American Airlines domestic flight and plugged my iPhone into the built-in USB port in the entertainment system. You know what else I bet that USB port will support with a software update? That's right ... Digital audio.

Digital audio from a commercial Airline's in-seat USB port might be possible some day, but if you plugged your iPhone into that in-seat USB port, it was just to receive power over USB. But let's say that airline might someday supply other information over that USB port like audio, etc., now we have yet another standard that is different from the alleged new lightning audio connection on the iPhone 7.

The 3.5mm jack is simple, reliable, and standard across a myriad of devices, or as Apple love's to say "it just works" (worked is more like it).
 
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Digital audio from a commercial Airline's in-seat USB port might be possible some day, but if you plugged your iPhone into that in-seat USB port, it was just to receive power over USB. But let's say that airline might someday supply other information over that USB port like audio, etc., now we have yet another standard that is different from the alleged new lightning audio connection on the iPhone 7.

The 3.5mm jack is simple, reliable, and standard across a myriad of devices, or as Apple love's to say "it just works" (worked is more like it).

Of course it's not. It's just data. Headphones will be able to use that data regardless of port connection, as they will be platform agnostic. Few manufactures will make headphones that can only be used with lightning.

Besides I'm not talking about a simple port in an armrest. Airlines are rapidly upgrading to new entertainment systems starting with the longer carriers and working their way down. They are absolutely going digital because it's easier and cheaper for them to.
 
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