iPhone 7 Apple upgrade program really unlocked?

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  1. Wpaulo macrumors newbie

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    Do you have to go through the Restore process to actually unlock an AT&T iphone7 bought on the Apple Upgrade program? I haven't been able to switch SIMS but the IMEI shows as not compatible on other carriers web sites.
     
  2. Jal217 macrumors regular

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    It's definitely unlocked. However, Your phone will only be able to work with other gsm network phones. If you don't know what that means the quick rundown is that there are two types of cellular technology that are common. CDMA (Verizon, sprint) and GSM (at&t). They aren't compatible with each other unless phones have 4g antenna bands that work with both types. This year the GSM phones only work with gsm carriers. You must stick with at&t or (T-Mobile I think). The cdma phones do work with gsm this year though. So if you got a Verizon iPhone 7 it would switch to at&t fine.

    The good news is gsm is pretty much the standard everywhere else in the world. So your phone will still work elsewhere
     
  3. Wpaulo thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Apple told me once I put in a Verizon SIM and restore phone my ATT iPhone7 it will work. They imply that Verizon is going to LTE and thus it is compatible? Apple Upgrade program certainly suggests any carrier usage. I was wondering if Restore needed even for European GSM carriers.
     
  4. Strangeite macrumors newbie

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    Welcome to my nightmare. I just started a thread outlining the circus that I have gone through trying to find the answer to this question.
     
  5. elfxmilhouse macrumors 6502a

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    I bought a 6s and a 7 with the upgrade program and they were both unlocked. I have two lines, one tmobile and one at&t and bought the phones under my tmobile account. However, I use my at&t sim in it most of the time.
     
  6. Jal217 macrumors regular

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    Verizon already is LTE. Your at&t phone is 100% never going to work on any cdma network. Not Verizon, not sprint. The apple employee who told you that was not aware of the lack of cdma support in the iPhone 7 GSM models. This worked with the 6s, but it will NOT work for the iPhone 7. For European gsm carriers you won't need to restore. You will only need to switch sims. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201328

    I'm sure you have been told by now, but you can't use your GSM iPhone 7 with cdma networks. No matter what. It just does not work because the intel modem in it won't work with cdma.
     
  7. Wpaulo thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Everything you said above is correct.
     
  8. JayLenochiniMac, Sep 22, 2016
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    The proper term is "Is it really a world iPhone?" A world phone means it's compatible with both GSM and CDMA.

    We didn't always get a world iPhone with every iteration. The 4s was a world iPhone but we didn't get that with the iPhone 5. It returned for the iPhone 5s and 6 series (except Sprint) and it's gone again for the 7 (at least the at&t and T-Mobile version).
     
  9. stlwx21 macrumors member

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    So even if you have an ATT account, should you just buy an unlocked Verizon iPhone and put your ATT sim in?

    And it would still work for European GSM carriers, correct?
     
  10. JayLenochiniMac macrumors G5

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    Correct, if you care about having a world iPhone 7. The SIM-free version will most likely be Verizon.
     
  11. kjotwani macrumors regular

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    I am in same boat. I went to 2 apple stores and told this to their managers. They understood the issue and were dumbfounded(rarely seen any genius or store manager not having an answer or solution). They were "we honestly don't have an answer now and will ask their superiors and get back". Waiting to hear.
     
  12. JayLenochiniMac macrumors G5

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    Why are you "waiting to hear" from them? We already have the answer for you here.
     
  13. stlwx21 macrumors member

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    I'm ready to purchase. Should I go ahead and get the Verizon unlocked phone or wait for sim free model.
     
  14. Silverbird0000 macrumors 6502a

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    As already stated, this year the Verizon and Sprint models of iPhone 7 with work with gsm carriers, the AT&T model will only work with AT&T and T-Mobile or other regional gsm carriers. An AT&T model will NOT work on Verizon. But a Verizon model will work on AT&T. With the 6s all models were world phones except the Sprint model.
     
  15. JayLenochiniMac macrumors G5

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    You can go ahead and get the Verizon model. Some members are rather anal retentive and insist on waiting for the SIM-free model so they can have an "officially unlocked" iPhone, but it'll most likely be the Verizon model anyway.
     
  16. kjotwani macrumors regular

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    Thanks but no thanks. either Apple changes either official stand that iUP phones cannot work with all carriers or they somehow give me a sim free phone (which might be the case).
    Also my 14 day return policy might be up before sim free versions are out. Hence need apple to override the return policy. That's what I am waiting to hear
     
  17. JayLenochiniMac macrumors G5

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    The IUP doesn't guarantee a world iPhone so you're barking up the wrong tree.
     
  18. kjotwani macrumors regular

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    Kind sir. It does. And the fact that Apple Store employees plus the iUP team have clear stated(and accepted) that iUP phone can work on any network.
    If I were u I would get my facts straight:)
     
  19. Chupa Chupa macrumors G5

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    Can you? I mean it's clear that you can't buy a VZW iPhone online w/o an account. But will Apple sell you one at the store w/o a VZW account and the intention to use w/ a different provider?
     
  20. JayLenochiniMac macrumors G5

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    Please provide an source/link where Apple has stated that a customer is guaranteed a world iPhone with the iPhone Upgrade Program. Otherwise, it's just Apple employees BSing like what we see all the time on this forum.
     
  21. kjotwani macrumors regular

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    Glad u asked :)
     

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  22. JayLenochiniMac macrumors G5

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    Online, no, but there seems to be a workaround in stores based on some members' reports.
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    Unfortunately, all this means is you do not have a contract with any single carrier, not that you're able to use said iPhone on any carriers.
     
  23. Lobwedgephil macrumors 68040

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    Are there differences between an iPhone for AT&T or T-Mobile and an iPhone for Sprint or Verizon Wireless?
    iPhone offers the same innovative features regardless of the wireless carrier you choose. If you choose AT&T or T-Mobile as your wireless carrier, your iPhone will use 3G cellular technology for voice services and either 3G or 4G LTE cellular technology for data services. iPhone can roam internationally on many GSM carriers around the world. If you buy iPhone with AT&T or T-Mobile, it will not work on Sprint or Verizon Wireless.

    If you choose Sprint or Verizon Wireless as your wireless carrier, your iPhone will use CDMA cellular technology for voice and data services. If you buy an unlocked iPhone with Verizon or Sprint, it will work on AT&T or T-Mobile. An iPhone activated on Sprint or Verizon Wireless also has the ability to roam internationally on GSM networks. For details on LTE network support, please see www.apple.com/iphone/LTE.
     
  24. kjotwani macrumors regular

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    So what if I change to a CDMA
    The wordings say: "You aren't tied to a single carrier". How would you interpret that?
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    This is right. Not denying it. But I am specifically talking about iUP and their wording "You are not tied to a single carrier" on their iUP page!
     
  25. Lobwedgephil macrumors 68040

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    You are right, with the At&t model, you are more then welcome to switch to any carrier that uses GSM.
     

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