iPhone 7 Could Feature 1,960 mAh Battery, a 14% Improvement Over iPhone 6s

[arkmannj]

First of all, if these are legit, it's what Apple is giving you for free.

I think not... they are included in the cost of the device, nothing included with Apple's products or any other company's products is "free".

I personally have never used headphones while charging my phone. So I suspect most people are somewhere between you and me.

Perhaps you are right, but I see literally, without exaggeration, dozens (possibly hundreds) of people a day charging their phone and listening to music at the same time, or Charging and using wired headphones and talking at the same time. Or charging and using the headphone port to plug into an Aux port of a device while charging, etc... So from my own point of view and personal experience I do not think I am outside of the average.

As for the practical battery life the extra battery capacity may add, well that all depends on you and your habits. If you're a habitual games player, or otherwise heavy wireless user, then it doesn't matter if the battery life lasts 12 hours while only listening to music and talking on the phone (by the way, no iPhone lasts 12 hours of talk time now). So then you buy what suits your needs -- perhaps that's a battery pack, perhaps that's a pair of headphones with a pass through.

So we need to buy battery packs, adapters and extra headphones to maintain the same functionality we have now... not awesome. Not awesome for the environment, economics of peoples personal economies, not awesome for the aesthetics of the phone to have adapters and battery packs hanging off... All in the name of an extra 14%?
Yes I know the battery supposedly lasts 12 hour talk time...in specs... but I've yet to see it on a device hat wasn't new, even when shutting off Bluetooth, WiFi, dimming the screen.

The point is, right now the iPhone is great, Apple can enhance the battery life a lot of ways beyond ditching the headphone port. There's marginal (at best!) benefits to ditching the port... and many complications added by doing so. I have yet to see what is actually held back by keeping the port, and what is truly benefited by ditching it. 14% battery increase, but a much more cumbersome setup of adapters does not sound like a material or substantial benefit. But if Apple *Cough* Must *cough* remove the port then I hope they will also include convenient, effective ways to continue using the iPhone with the same benefits we presently have.

 

[calzon65]

If the headphone pictures are at all legit, and are terminating (no pass through for power to connect) then I'm going to need a lot more than 14% to be worth ditching the headphone port. If the new battery can't go 12 hours of consistent us playing music and talking on the phone then it's not worth it.

And I never even thought about pass-through. I routinely listen to music on my iPhone at my desk with my power adapter plugged into my iPhone and my headset speakers plugged into the 3.5mm jack, now I will lose that capability.

Removing the ubiquitous 3.5mm headphone jack will cause a massive inconvenience for the hundreds of millions of people who have wired headphones, earbuds, speakers, etc. The fact that Apple would remove one of the few standards that "just work" is unconscionable. The 3.5mm headphone jack is a standard used in phones, tablets, laptops, desktops, music players, even the audio jack on a United Airlines flight. It's just garbage that Apple plans to remove this, if the rumors are true.

 

[admob71]

I wonder if this has anything to do with Android. I use an iPhone and iPad, but I run a Windows laptop. I'm always amazed at the superior battery life Apple get's from its laptops, so I have always assumed Apple has done a great job with power management in MacOS compared to what Microsoft has done with Windows.

So I wonder if Apple has also done a great job with power management in IOS compared to Android.

Don't forget all the iPhone screens are low resolution, so it's not like for like, they are having to do much less work than the 2k screens everyone is using..

 

[macduke]

Idk if I've ever had a battery go downhill faster than this 6s. I know I got used to the larger 6 Plus last year, but it was fine for the first few months and now it has taken a nosedive. For instance, it's at 55% right now (1:30pm) and I've hardly used it today.

 

[APPLEFUNRF]

You’ll be lucky to get 1mAh, you ungrateful bastards…
[doublepost=1468522917][/doublepost]Don’t believe the hype: You’re not getting a bigger battery in the iPhone 7. The only thing that’s getting bigger is iTunes.

 

[Mac 128]

I think not... they are included in the cost of the device, nothing included with Apple's products or any other company's products is "free".



Perhaps you are right, but I see literally, without exaggeration, dozens (possibly hundreds) of people a day charging their phone and listening to music at the same time, or Charging and using wired headphones and talking at the same time. Or charging and using the headphone port to plug into an Aux port of a device while charging, etc... So from my own point of view and personal experience I do not think I am outside of the average.




So we need to buy battery packs, adapters and extra headphones to maintain the same functionality we have now... not awesome. Not awesome for the environment, economics of peoples personal economies, not awesome for the aesthetics of the phone to have adapters and battery packs hanging off... All in the name of an extra 14%?
Yes I know the battery supposedly lasts 12 hour talk time...in specs... but I've yet to see it on a device hat wasn't new, even when shutting off Bluetooth, WiFi, dimming the screen.

The point is, right now the iPhone is great, Apple can enhance the battery life a lot of ways beyond ditching the headphone port. There's marginal (at best!) benefits to ditching the port... and many complications added by doing so. I have yet to see what is actually held back by keeping the port, and what is truly benefited by ditching it. 14% battery increase, but a much more cumbersome setup of adapters does not sound like a material or substantial benefit. But if Apple *Cough* Must *cough* remove the port then I hope they will also include convenient, effective ways to continue using the iPhone with the same benefits we presently have.

You personally see "hundreds of people a day" charging their phones while using them? Do you work at an Airport? Because otherwise I'm finding it difficult to imagine where you see all these people charging their phones out in public while they use them. I just got back from Starbucks -- it was packed, and there wasn't a single person plugged into the wall for anything.

And my point is the iPhone does not currently provide the same functionality for everyone. It's great it serves your limited needs out of the box, but that does not mean it will for everyone, nor does it based on the battery complaints most iPhone users constantly raise. You even confirm what I said, so I'm really not sure what your point is, other than you don't personally need to change anything about the current iPhone for your needs and don't want Apple to create issues for you.

This survey seems to indicate most people don't care whether the headphone jack is removed:

http://www.macnn.com/articles/16/01...o.ask.apple.shoppers.what.they.thought.131986

 

[arkmannj]

You personally see "hundreds of people a day" charging their phones while using them? Do you work at an Airport? Because otherwise I'm finding it difficult to imagine where you see all these people charging their phones out in public while they use them. I just got back from Starbucks -- it was packed, and there wasn't a single person plugged into the wall for anything.

And my point is the iPhone does not currently provide the same functionality for everyone. It's great it serves your limited needs out of the box, but that does not mean it will for everyone, nor does it based on the battery complaints most iPhone users constantly raise. You even confirm what I said, so I'm really not sure what your point is, other than you don't personally need to change anything about the current iPhone for your needs and don't want Apple to create issues for you.

This survey seems to indicate most people don't care whether the headphone jack is removed:

http://www.macnn.com/articles/16/01...o.ask.apple.shoppers.what.they.thought.131986

I work in a very large office building, If I go to multiple sites of our work campus I can easily see thousand+ people.
It is very popular in our company for people to forward their desk phone to their cell phone, so they can listen to music while working and only interrupt for incoming calls, etc. Work offers WiFi for personal devices, so you can access Pandora, GHoogle Play, Apple Music, etc... over the WiFi but those services are all blocked through the hard-wired network, Company PCS's etc...
so yes it is not hard for me to personally walk past hundreds of cubicles in a single day with most of them listening and talking on their cell phones. almost all of which are plugged into power and headphones.

which points of yours did I confirm? look through forums (here and otherwise) and I think you will see people that would prefer not to have terminating headphones, adapters, batteries to keep their current features for a chance at a whole 14% battery increase. 50% maybe ...but 14%? I think ditching the port will create issues for more than just me.

Just curious, you seem to be defending the move to go away from the heaphone port, and okay with a terminating set of headphones. What's the benefit for consumers by doing so? and what is lost by keeping the port?
* I'll give you a freebie of 14% battery increase (in most cases that will likely translate to less than an hour of increase)

 

[8281]

First of all, if these are legit, it's what Apple is giving you for free. I personally have never used headphones while charging my phone. So I suspect most people are somewhere between you and me. Therefore, if your needs deviate from the average, and you need a pair of headphones that allow simultaneous charging and listening, then you'll need to buy a pair that suits your needs. As for the practical battery life the extra battery capacity may add, well that all depends on you and your habits. If you're a habitual games player, or otherwise heavy wireless user, then it doesn't matter if the battery life lasts 12 hours while only listening to music and talking on the phone (by the way, no iPhone lasts 12 hours of talk time now). So then you buy what suits your needs -- perhaps that's a battery pack, perhaps that's a pair of headphones with a pass through. And that's assuming that Apple doesn't provide another method to charge the phone as has been rumored. Or, that Apple doesn't offer you a new charging brick with a Lightning port and a USB-C port.





I'd like to see your spreadsheet analysis of all of those other water-resistant phones that demonstrate they have all of the same or better features as a comparable iPhone, including performance, battery life, and dimensions. Because it's not a fair comparison if the phones aren't equal in every way. And I guess we'll just ignore that those droid makers have been lying about water resistant as the recent consumer reports article proves. Some of those phones fail the minute they touch water. But hey it makes a nice story to support your case if it were true, and if Apple had said anywhere that removing the headphone jack in any way was primarily to improve the water-resistance of the iPhone.

Little touchy are we? Phones dont need the same specs to be compared. The S7 competes directly with the 6s. Anyway, the S7 generally beats the iPhone in specs. And I was addressing the poster's implication that Apple needs to remove the audio jack to offer waterproofing.

 

[skinned66]

That's decent improvement.

I can't say I have any complaints on battery life with my 6S but rest assured I'd take an extra 14%(ish) battery life without having any either; unless it's at the expense of the 3.5" stereo jack.

 

[EricTheHalfBee]

2 things sir, 1, dial down the attitude. And 2, no one on here ever goes on about the iPhone battery being stellar, and when we have a young man like yourself come on and claim 2 full days we are all going to question the validity of such a claim. It is possible if the device is not being used. But it's real world situations that mean something,

Vocal minority vs silent majority. Learn the difference.

With regards anandtech, that still the chap who works for Apple?

Ah, so instead of looking at their test results and pointing out any flaws, you resort to implying that because Anand himself works for Apple that their results are biased?

Look, I get it. Lots of people don't like Anand. I can see why.

- Exposing Samsung and numerous Android manufacturers for their benchmark cheating.
- Doing an in-depth analysis of Apples 64bit SOCs and showing the world just how far ahead they are compared to everyone else.
- Noticing that Apple is the ONLY mobile vendor in the world using NVMe (PCI Express) for their storage.
- Exposing the throttling of popular Android devices (like Nexus) by having to run benchmarks in a freezer just so they'd finish.
- Doing a detailed analysis of the iPad Pro 9.7" and finding out it has the best display in the world, while also exposing that Android doesn't have color management to make sure content is rendered properly.

These are a few I thought of. I'm sure there are more, if anyone wants to add to the list of reasons they don't like Anand.

 

[bn-7bc]

Oh good, so now my phone will turn off with 46% battery left instead of 32% like it always does. Awesome!

I'm no expert but turning off with 30% charge in the bettery seems to indicate somthing is wrong. My iphone 6 turns off at 5% remainig as all my ptevious iphones did, you sir have a lemon on your hands

 

[mantan]

I will at the end of today. Yesterday I had my iPhone connected to my car for music using my Lightning cable, which will charge your iPhone. This shows up in the battery usage stats. So people don't accuse me of cheating, I'm not going to connect my iPhone to anything all day and will post my one day usage stats. I apologize in advance for destroying your lame "flight mode in cupboard" garbage. No wait, I don't. I'll let facts speak for themselves.

I find it telling that none of the people claiming poor battery life have posted up their battery stats yet. That speaks VOLUMES to me right there. Come on, where's all your proof about your battery draining so quickly you need to charge more than once a day?

Like this? Fully charged at the office at lunch. By early afternoon...

 

[EricTheHalfBee]

Like this? Fully charged at the office at lunch. By early afternoon...

View attachment 640293

There's a few problems with your pic.

- First off, you don't show the complete list of Apps. If you can't fit all of them on the list then you should take two screenshots so we can see which one is draining your battery.
- Second, this shot shows the last time your phone hit 100% charge was at 10:10am this morning (2:26pm in your screenshot minus the 4 hours 16 minutes your phone was on). So right off the bat your claim that you were fully charged at noon is bogus.
- Third you didn't mention what phone you have, but my guess is there's something wrong with your battery to get so little use from it.


This is my screenshot from today:

iPhone 6S Plus taken off charge just after midnight. Not in airplane mode as I need to receive calls, but do not disturb is on so only calls from certain people get through. I'm running iOS 10 Beta 2, and while some people are complaining about battery issues I haven't noticed any big changes.

Spent most of the day on Safari as I was out of the office, so this browsing was all done over LTE. I usually have over 60% left if I'm in the office and using Safari with WiFi instead of LTE. Had to upload some photos to corporate server, which is why Photos is at 5%.

 

[lowendlinux]

I wonder if this has anything to do with Android. I use an iPhone and iPad, but I run a Windows laptop. I'm always amazed at the superior battery life Apple get's from its laptops, so I have always assumed Apple has done a great job with power management in MacOS compared to what Microsoft has done with Windows.

So I wonder if Apple has also done a great job with power management in IOS compared to Android.

Windows just isn't that good at power management I really don't know why they don't focus on that but they seem not to.

Like this? Fully charged at the office at lunch. By early afternoon...

View attachment 640293

There has go to be something wrong with your phone that's not normal for any phone.

 

[mantan]

There's a few problems with your pic.

- First off, you don't show the complete list of Apps. If you can't fit all of them on the list then you should take two screenshots so we can see which one is draining your battery.
- Second, this shot shows the last time your phone hit 100% charge was at 10:10am this morning (2:26pm in your screenshot minus the 4 hours 16 minutes your phone was on). So right off the bat your claim that you were fully charged at noon is bogus.
- Third you didn't mention what phone you have, but my guess is there's something wrong with your battery to get so little use from it.


This is my screenshot from today:

View attachment 640306


iPhone 6S Plus taken off charge just after midnight. Not in airplane mode as I need to receive calls, but do not disturb is on so only calls from certain people get through. I'm running iOS 10 Beta 2, and while some people are complaining about battery issues I haven't noticed any big changes.

Spent most of the day on Safari as I was out of the office, so this browsing was all done over LTE. I usually have over 60% left if I'm in the office and using Safari with WiFi instead of LTE. Had to upload some photos to corporate server, which is why Photos is at 5%.

Both pages...

 

[LordVic]

Devices might get increased battery life but when the phone is the same size, the battery capacity in newer generations tends to fall because they are trying to cram more processor, camera, and other new components that weren't there last time. This is why removing the headphone jack actually helps a lot.

Headphone jack draws 0 power when not in use as there is no completed circuit.

 

[wigby]

Headphone jack draws 0 power when not in use as there is no completed circuit.

Who said anything about headphone jack power consumption? If anything you make the case to remove the jack even stronger. Why is there a component taking up so much room in my phone that most people rarely even use? I use bluetooth (earbuds) and lightning (charging) all the time, that headphone jack is wasted space that could be used for more battery or batter camera, more storage or something truly new and innovative on Apple's wish list.
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Little touchy are we? Phones dont need the same specs to be compared. The S7 competes directly with the 6s. Anyway, the S7 generally beats the iPhone in specs. And I was addressing the poster's implication that Apple needs to remove the audio jack to offer waterproofing.

What specs are you looking at? Processor cores, battery mAh, screen resolution? Every shootout between he two, I see iPhone edging out the newer Samsung S7 including runtimes and speed. Oh, and that so-called water resistance that costs extra was just exposed as a failure by Consumer Reports... http://www.consumerreports.org/smar...fails-consumer-reports-water-resistance-test/

 

[LordVic]

Who said anything about headphone jack power consumption? If anything you make the case to remove the jack even stronger. Why is there a component taking up so much room in my phone that most people rarely even use? I use bluetooth (earbuds) and lightning (charging) all the time, that headphone jack is wasted space that could be used for more battery or batter camera, more storage or something truly new and innovative on Apple's wish list.

you did

you brought the headphone jack into the battery conversation.

The Headphone Jack uses 0 power draw when its not in use.
the headphone jack is also not currently the barrier to bigger batteries as many competitors have bigger battery capacities and headphones.

the Headphone jack is ALSO not using up adjacent space to the battery. removing it doesn't suddenly make it possible to extend the battery.

Currenlty on the iPhone 6S, between the battery and teh headphone jack is the haptics engine. Which takes up considerably more space than the headphone jack. Its current iteration will not fit where the headphone jack is.

so, you bringing in the headphone jack into a battery discussion is a red herring and actually has no bearing (based on current knowledge of their designs and battery builds)

now, it's possible that the iPhone 7 does bring in some new tech we haven't thought of that needs that space. Or they've completely redesigned the interior of the device to leverage the space. But with the current setup, the headphone jack is NOT an issue with battery.
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Like this? Fully charged at the office at lunch. By early afternoon...

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How about taking a screenshot that also shwos your most used instead of cutoff?

 

[EricTheHalfBee]

Both pages...

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I there's something wrong with your iPhone. That's ridiculously bad battery life.

 

[wigby]

you did

you brought the headphone jack into the battery conversation.

The Headphone Jack uses 0 power draw when its not in use.
the headphone jack is also not currently the barrier to bigger batteries as many competitors have bigger battery capacities and headphones.

the Headphone jack is ALSO not using up adjacent space to the battery. removing it doesn't suddenly make it possible to extend the battery.

Currenlty on the iPhone 6S, between the battery and teh headphone jack is the haptics engine. Which takes up considerably more space than the headphone jack. Its current iteration will not fit where the headphone jack is.

so, you bringing in the headphone jack into a battery discussion is a red herring and actually has no bearing (based on current knowledge of their designs and battery builds)

now, it's possible that the iPhone 7 does bring in some new tech we haven't thought of that needs that space. Or they've completely redesigned the interior of the device to leverage the space. But with the current setup, the headphone jack is NOT an issue with battery.
[doublepost=1468598184][/doublepost]

How about taking a screenshot that also shwos your most used instead of cutoff?

For a minute there I thought I was getting schooled by an Apple engineer. Then I remebered you're just some guy on a forum that knows nothing about what Apple wants to do or why they want to do it. The iPhone is like a complex tetris puzzle. Just because something is adjacent to the headphone jack doesn't mean that space is now open like a new parking space. When you free up that much space you get to re-arrange many component around to get something Apple might have been trying to to get for years. Neither one of us know for sure but we do both know that Apple is always looking to free up space and that most people won't miss a headphone jack (Apple wouldn't drop it unless they've done research to know that).

Look at it this way...5 years from now there will be no headphone jacks on any smartphone and all smartphones will be much better for it. You can pull the band aid of slow or you can pull it off fast but it will be gone in 5 years no matter what.

 

[admob71]

Vocal minority vs silent majority. Learn the difference.



Ah, so instead of looking at their test results and pointing out any flaws, you resort to implying that because Anand himself works for Apple that their results are biased?

Look, I get it. Lots of people don't like Anand. I can see why.

- Exposing Samsung and numerous Android manufacturers for their benchmark cheating.
- Doing an in-depth analysis of Apples 64bit SOCs and showing the world just how far ahead they are compared to everyone else.
- Noticing that Apple is the ONLY mobile vendor in the world using NVMe (PCI Express) for their storage.
- Exposing the throttling of popular Android devices (like Nexus) by having to run benchmarks in a freezer just so they'd finish.
- Doing a detailed analysis of the iPad Pro 9.7" and finding out it has the best display in the world, while also exposing that Android doesn't have color management to make sure content is rendered properly.

These are a few I thought of. I'm sure there are more, if anyone wants to add to the list of reasons they don't like Anand.

I think you got it on one sir, anyone on the payroll of apple ain't ever gonna do an honest and just review of a competitor, they are going to try and bamboozle folk with complicated reasons why the s7 isn't all that, is it pure coincidence that his review doesn't tally with practically every other on line one? You do the math.

 

[8281]

Who said anything about headphone jack power consumption? If anything you make the case to remove the jack even stronger. Why is there a component taking up so much room in my phone that most people rarely even use? I use bluetooth (earbuds) and lightning (charging) all the time, that headphone jack is wasted space that could be used for more battery or batter camera, more storage or something truly new and innovative on Apple's wish list.
[doublepost=1468597498][/doublepost]
What specs are you looking at? Processor cores, battery mAh, screen resolution? Every shootout between he two, I see iPhone edging out the newer Samsung S7 including runtimes and speed. Oh, and that so-called water resistance that costs extra was just exposed as a failure by Consumer Reports... http://www.consumerreports.org/smar...fails-consumer-reports-water-resistance-test/

You didn't even read your own source. They said the regular S7 and S7 Edge both passed the water test. Only the active failed.

 

[I7guy]

I addressed the gentleman as Sir. If that isn't online etiquette.. and that was in relation to him using the word garbage about something I had posted. How rude!!
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I think you got it on one sir, anyone on the payroll of apple ain't ever gonna do an honest and just review of a competitor, they are going to try and bamboozle folk with complicated reasons why the s7 isn't all that, is it pure coincidence that his review doesn't tally with practically every other on line one? You do the math.

So let us all get this straight....because you don't like the review, they must be on the payroll of apple. Did I succinctly summarize your post?

 

[admob71]

So let us all get this straight....because you don't like the review, they must be on the payroll of apple. Did I succinctly summarize your post?

Erm. Not must be on the payroll.. ARE on the payroll.. anandtech works for Apple in some role, so you can imagine the validity of his reviews.
And no you didn't succinctly (nice word ) summarise my post, you just showed up your lack of knowledge of all things tech!!

 

[I7guy]

Erm. Not must be on the payroll.. ARE on the payroll.. anandtech works for Apple in some role, so you can imagine the validity of his reviews.
And no you didn't succinctly (nice word ) summarise my post, you just showed up your lack of knowledge of all things tech!!

Thank your for that complement. It's general MR internet hyperbole about anandtech, of which you are propagating and maybe it's the entire pot/kettle thing going on here.