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at the rate battery tech is moving, there won't be much difference than today. tech in general is moving along rapidly but batteries continue to suck

I think the next breakthrough innovation in smartphones should be a phone that doesn't require a battery.

The battery needs to die like the gasoline engine, magnetic stripe, and the landline.
 
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Android phones have had 3000+ batteries in phones not much larger than the iPhone 6s. I know the iPhone is much more efficient, but imagine how great it would be if you could double your battery life.
The mentioned Android phones may not be much, but are still larger. The bigger batteries may also show a different long-term behaviour (cycles / degradation). Weight may be an issue (iPhones have a metal casing and a smaller battery can help to offset the weight difference to a plastic housing). Finally, a bigger battery is probably more costly (especially a quality one), so Apple's healthy margin would be impaired ;).

Can't judge the 4.7", but the 5.5" iPhone6 has an acceptable battery life. If someone needs more, there are external battery packs and cases. And with the mysterious smart connector rumored for the iPhone 7, those battery cases may be far more unobtrusive than conventional battery cases.
 
Yayyyy..
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todays battery life is something my great grand children will laugh about among 16GB of storage capacity. Aint it?
Possibly...their phones will carry a mini nuclear reactor or sth.
 
Well the battery is a plus at least (potentially).

The rumours on the colours, the simplest, cheapest, best way to easily freshen up the design and entice new buyers/upgrades, the classy black and blue renders now appear to be wrong. It would seem Apple are sticking to the tired old colours, they really do seem to have no interest in making this product interesting...

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It's certainly a better system than what iOS has.

Let's see... I want to up the ringtone volume, but I have to open multi-task to close out YouTube first since it'll only let me control the volume of the video I'm watching.

Hm, I want my alarm to be at a volume that will wake me up? Guess I'll have to figure out which programs I need to close first before I can jack the volume up to a reasonable level. Not sure why iOS doesn't just let you control alarm volume from the clock app, and after all of these years, Apple still hasn't figured out that simple, user-friendly feature.

At least with Android I can see all of my "media" "alarm" and "ringtone" volumes in one place, and adjust accordingly without having to jump through hoops first.
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Hilarious. Android is more advanced than iOS will ever be.

iOS can't even get third party keyboards or volume control correct, and here you are sticking up for iOS.

If you're going to make an argument, at least don't appear biased.

You're making it out to be more hassle than it actually is. My alarm volume very rarely changes, if ever, and even if I want to change it it takes 5 seconds. Same goes for ringer volume, and I don't know why you'd always be changing your ringer volume mid-Youtube video? Bit weird... Again, only takes a few seconds to sort out.

These are minor, minor issues yet you're making them out to be something that you'd switch platform for lol.
 
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I don't understand people throwing "but phone x has 3000mAh!" Do you even know that mah says nothing in itself as the capacity is still determined via both the voltage and the mah? The only number you should check is the Wh as that is the important thing. A 5v 2000mAh battery has the exact same capacity as a 2.5v with 4000mAh...
 
Well the battery is a plus at least (potentially).

The rumours on the colours, the simplest, cheapest, best way to easily freshen up the design and entice new buyers/upgrades, the classy black and blue renders now appear to be wrong. It would seem Apple are sticking to the tired old colours, they really do seem to have no interest in making this product interesting...

iphone-7-couleurs.jpg


It makes sense financially, even if you don't believe it.
 
It makes sense financially, even if you don't believe it.

Of course it does - that was kinda my point. Something which would cost (almost literally) nothing would be a colour change, offer black, blue, whatever - just something to add interest and make the iP7 "new" but no, the stale colours of two years ago look to be the options. It's like they're just thinking of next year's (rumoured) model and asked some interns to bump up a few things for the spec sheet on this one.
 
You're making it out to be more hassle than it actually is. My alarm volume very rarely changes, if ever, and even if I want to change it it takes 5 seconds. Same goes for ringer volume, and I don't know why you'd always be changing your ringer volume mid-Youtube video? Bit weird... Again, only takes a few seconds to sort out.

These are minor, minor issues yet you're making them out to be something that you'd switch platform for lol.

Since Apple likes to combine the ringer and alarm volume together (another stupid idea), I have to turn up the volume for the "ringer" when I go to bed, and then turn it down when I'm awake so the phone doesn't scream at me every time I get a text message.
 
Since Apple likes to combine the ringer and alarm volume together (another stupid idea), I have to turn up the volume for the "ringer" when I go to bed, and then turn it down when I'm awake so the phone doesn't scream at me every time I get a text message.

The volume rocker does do those two levels of volumes.

It'll do regular volume if sound is being played at the time, and if no sound is currently playing it'll adjust the ringer.

Which is fine, because 90% of the time I want to adjust the volume it is because sound is playing, and 99% of the time I want to change the volume of the ringer there is no sound playing.

If, heaven forbid, you are playing a Youtube video feel the urge to change the ringer volume mid-video (for some reason...) then hit the home button, it will take you to the home screen, the video will stop - then you can adjust the ringer using the volume rocker.

Why is that so difficult for you?
 
I'm not buying another iPhone until they dramatically improve battery life. I'm tired of charging it 3x a day when using it for work.

As it says in my signature, "If your phone's battery is constantly "about to die," then maybe it's not the phone, or the battery that has the problem."
 
And the removal of the headphone jack probably won't have anything to do with the increase in battery size, so still no justification.

Water resistance, thickness, digitalization.
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iPhone battery would need to outlive the owner to stop the battery complaints.
And you call yourself "the voice of reason.." Made my day..
 
If, heaven forbid, you are playing a Youtube video feel the urge to change the ringer volume mid-video (for some reason...) then hit the home button, it will take you to the home screen, the video will stop - then you can adjust the ringer using the volume rocker.

Why is that so difficult for you?

Obviously, you've never owned an iPhone. As long as YouTube or a music app is in the background, it won't let me change the ringer, even if I'm not listening to anything or using the app.
 
Probably true. They always try to put bigger batteries in (regardless of tired internet chatter).

iPhone - 1,400 mAh
iPhone 3G - 1,150 mAh
iPhone 3GS - 1,219 mAh
iPhone 4 - 1,420 mAh
iPhone 4S - 1,432 mAh
iPhone 5 - 1,440 mAh
iPhone 5C - 1,507 mAh
iPhone 5S - 1,570 mAh
iPhone 6 - 1,810 mAh
iPhone 6 Plus - 2,915 mAh
iPhone 6s - 1,715 mAh
iPhone 6s Plus - 2,750 mAh

The anomalies have been when the phones actually got thicker OG to 3G. And 6 to 6S the batteries decreased as the space was used for other components.

And 6s was heavier with the smaller battery. Weight is a big consideration for Apple and the battery is a heavy part of the phone.

If they have larger battery then Apple saved some weight somewhere. Probably the screen is lighter.
 
I have half a mind! "There he goe´s exaggerating again"

Just wanted to get that out of the way. I´m contemplating either going for a 16gb plus or s7 edge. There are many other phones: htc, sony, samsung that rival, or surpasses the build quality of the iPhone 6. My deal is Android vs IOS. I adore IOS. If iOS was on any other phone I would go with that one.

I can´t wait for the 7, so I gotta decide, go s7e and tolerate android for a while, or get the 6 plus. Guess I´m in the wrong neighborhood to ask, but maybe a gentle soul who´s not been corrupted into a cynical pluke by the inter webs can give me some guidance in this choice of telephones

(sorry for poor english, it´s not my native language!)
 
And it could also have some feature which will eat that battery very quickly, leaving almost no difference between the 7 and 6s in use time.
 
I don't understand people throwing "but phone x has 3000mAh!" Do you even know that mah says nothing in itself as the capacity is still determined via both the voltage and the mah? The only number you should check is the Wh as that is the important thing. A 5v 2000mAh battery has the exact same capacity as a 2.5v with 4000mAh...

Intersting. I did not know that.
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I think the next breakthrough innovation in smartphones should be a phone that doesn't require a battery.

The battery needs to die like the gasoline engine, magnetic stripe, and the landline.

That is impossible. Maybe you could make a phone that has a kinetic charger and solar chargers built in. But they would still be charging a battery.
 
I'd love it if Apple had a separate model that was optimized for battery life. It could just be the regular model with the speed of all components locked at a (reasonably) lower rate.

They do, just turn on "Low Power Mode"
 
Sweet, now I'll only need to charge my phone twice a day instead of 3 times.

But really, there's some pretty small battery cases these days. Since I'm on the yearly upgrade plan, I'm getting one as soon as there is one available for the new phone. I'm sick and tired of needing to be plugged in so often.
 
Wrong. Bose Wireless headphones get 15 hours on a 240mA battery. That covers the Bluetooth wireless signal AND the amplifier to drive the headphones. The iPhone 6S battery is 7 times larger in capacity and it will only have to power the Bluetooth signal (not the headphone drivers themselves).

Wow, you sure do start a lot of your posts with "Wrong", which is funny because once again you have no clue what you're talking about. The battery life used to receive a radio signal has nothing at all to do with the battery life used to transmit. BT is a 2-way communication channel and there is some handshaking going on, but streaming music is an extremely 1-way example of a radio link.

My old portable am/fm radio would get 15 hours on a set of batteries. Why does the commercial radio broadcaster need 50,000 watts for their end of the link. Shouldn't their transmitter get the same run time off the same batteries.

I think I was about 6 when I built a wireless radio receiver that would drive an earphone with no power source at all. I could actually tune radio stations and listen to them and there was enough power in the radio wave itself to power my whole radio. That's called a crystal radio.

The pont is, it takes many, many times as much power to transmit a radio signal than to receive. And then don't forget that the BT antenna is omni-directional. It needs to transmit enough power for the receive to be anywhere in the room, so the vast majority of its power is just wasted.
 
Not sure what you do with your phone then. Less than 90 minutes of game playing will take mine from 100% to 10%. It will not even get through a day of light web browsing. During the day, my phone is also my primary internet hotspot, and if it wasn't plugged in, I'd drain the battery 3 times over during a day.

And you still ignored my question. Clearly a lot of people can't get through the day on a charge. Why *not* improve the battery rather than making the phone thinner?

I'm guessing most people do not play games on their phone, to the extent their battery is depleted in 90 minutes. Isn't there an android phone that would work much better for you? Yes? Why not switch?

My phone generally lasts two days. I'm fine with that and would definitely not want my phone substantially heavier or thicker to, say, double that to four days. Ditto if my phone currently lasted just a day on a charge and were able to double that to two days at the expense of a heavier and thicker iPhone.

I suspect the bulk of Apple's market are not users who deplete their battery in 90 minutes playing games.
 
I'm guessing most people do not play games on their phone, to the extent their battery is depleted in 90 minutes. Isn't there an android phone that would work much better for you? Yes? Why not switch?

My phone generally lasts two days. I'm fine with that and would definitely not want my phone substantially heavier or thicker to, say, double that to four days. Ditto if my phone currently lasted just a day on a charge and were able to double that to two days at the expense of a heavier and thicker iPhone.

I suspect the bulk of Apple's market are not users who deplete their battery in 90 minutes playing games.

So what are you saying? People who want to use the "powerful desktop class cpu" and gaming capability Timmy is always raving on about should leave Apple?

The iPhone is designed for people who keep it in their pocket so much they get 2 days out of the battery and people who want a phone to actually get some use out of should switch to Android? iPhone is a fashion accessory not meant to be used. Android has all the functionality.

Is that what you're trying to say?
 
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If the headphone pictures are at all legit, and are terminating (no pass through for power to connect) then I'm going to need a lot more than 14% to be worth ditching the headphone port. If the new battery can't go 12 hours of consistent use playing music, talking on the phone and other routine use applications like browsing the internet, checking email, texting, Facebook, minor apps (not including power hog apps like games) etc... then it's not worth it.
 
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