iPhone 7 - Don't cry about your missing AUX Input

It's not irrelevant, because we're talking about mobile devices in this thread. Last I checked professional audio studios don't use an iPhone to mix albums.
And I'm aware of your statement, but you're applying the state of present technology to the a rumor about future developments. Now that's irrelevant.
1. To be more precise, we are still talking about the iPhone 7 (not mobile devices in general) and its probable lack of AUX "replaced" by a wireless solution as an option. "iPhone 7 - Don't cry about your missing AUX Input" - this is the title of the thread you are posting in.
2. I referred to wireless vs wired connection in a studio. Where did you see any reference to using an iPhone to mix albums?

3. Present technology's objective limits (i.e. reliability and quality of wireless connection) won't change when the iPhone 7 comes out.
 
1. To be more precise, we are still talking about the iPhone 7 (not mobile devices in general) and its probable lack of AUX "replaced" by a wireless solution as an option. "iPhone 7 - Don't cry about your missing AUX Input" - this is the title of the thread you are posting in.
2. I referred to wireless vs wired connection in a studio. Where did you see any reference to using an iPhone to mix albums?

3. Present technology's objective limits (i.e. reliability and quality of wireless connection) won't change when the iPhone 7 comes out.

Never mind.
 
May I draw your attention to the following:

https://9to5mac.com/2016/08/05/repo...wireless-headphones-may-launch-with-iphone-7/

Apple have come to a decision. They believe that they have advanced wireless bluetooth technology to a stage where listening to music via a wireless connection is good enough to be 'standard'. A big gamble for a Billion Dollar Company? You are a fool if you choose to believe it is.

Apple would have carried out years of R&D on their new headphones. Perhaps as far back as 2012 when the EarPods were first released.

I imagine the same people on here complaining about Apple shifting from AUX to wireless bluetooth would have been the same people on here saying that fingerprint scanning technology is not capable enough, or secure enough, just before the release of the iPhone 5s....
 
So if I use AUX in in my car does this mean the lightening port will charge and play audio?? How is my car gonna know which is which?
 
May I draw your attention to the following:

https://9to5mac.com/2016/08/05/repo...wireless-headphones-may-launch-with-iphone-7/

Apple have come to a decision. They believe that they have advanced wireless bluetooth technology to a stage where listening to music via a wireless connection is good enough to be 'standard'. A big gamble for a Billion Dollar Company? You are a fool if you choose to believe it is.

Apple would have carried out years of R&D on their new headphones. Perhaps as far back as 2012 when the EarPods were first released.

I imagine the same people on here complaining about Apple shifting from AUX to wireless bluetooth would have been the same people on here saying that fingerprint scanning technology is not capable enough, or secure enough, just before the release of the iPhone 5s....

Apple could be doing something similar to aptX (qualcomm tech) along side of BT 5.0 for higher quality sound then is currently available via lossy BT on an iPhone.

This would push two proprietary techs from Apple. Like aptX you'll need to have a compatible receiver since Apple is making it which will qualify as MFi. And of course the same already applies to the Lightning connector.

Adding a proprietary tech into BT (which will still be backwards compatible to meet BT specs) didn't even cross my mind until I read that article.
 
So if I use AUX in in my car does this mean the lightening port will charge and play audio?? How is my car gonna know which is which?

You mean use both at the same time if you car has connections for both? I believe if both are hooked up to a receiver of some sort you select which output to use via control center.

Most people here that have both hooked up are using a car charger and AUX because there car doesn't have a USB connector for audio built in.
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iPhone never had an AUX input Dumas

The 3.5mm jack is an output and input. Thats how musical instruments, microphones (including the one built into Apples (and other microphones)) earbuds boxed with the iPhone, credit card swipers, and other various tools connected to them work.

Although yes in this context its not what we are talking about.
 
I imagine the same people on here complaining about Apple shifting from AUX to wireless bluetooth would have been the same people on here saying that fingerprint scanning technology is not capable enough, or secure enough, just before the release of the iPhone 5s....

Well then you certainly imagine wrong. I don't know why people keep comparing this move to things that are not at all similar. Going from 30-pin to lightning... Great idea! Clear advantages and I fully supported it, even if it made old chargers and accessories obsolete. TouchID... Awesome. Why wouldn't I want a quicker and easier way to access my phone. Again, clear advantage. Loss of headphone jack which nothing actually replacing it... Not the same.

I get tha some people are cool with losing the jack and some people aren't, but the false equivalencies don't prove anything. It's not that people are against change, it's about being against a change that seems to offer no tangible benefits but obvious inconveniences.
 
You mean use both at the same time if you car has connections for both? I believe if both are hooked up to a receiver of some sort you select which output to use via control center.

Most people here that have both hooked up are using a car charger and AUX because there car doesn't have a USB connector for audio built in.
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The 3.5mm jack is an output and input. Thats how musical instruments, microphones (including the one built into Apples (and other microphones)) earbuds boxed with the iPhone, credit card swipers, and other various tools connected to them work.

Although yes in this context its not what we are talking about.


Yeah I use both since my car doesn't have USB or BT audio.
 
Yeah I use both since my car doesn't have USB or BT audio.

Before I upgraded my head unit to one with USB & BT, I used to have to plug and unplug two cables into my iPhone everytime I got in and out of the car. If I just had to go a short distance, I didn't bother plugging in, and just drove in silence rather than go to the hassle of plugging everything, and then unplugging it again a few minutes later.

I tried to come up with something that would allow me to plug my AUX jack and Lightning into one cable, so I could simplify my routine, but I couldn't find anything that easily did that since Apple hadn't yet published any Lightning audio specs.

What I ended up doing was buying a $20 BT dongle that plugged into my AUX jack. Best purchase I ever made. Now when I got into the car, the phone connected automatically to the BT dongle and started playing, and I could plug power into Lightning whenever was convenient. Short trips were no longer a problem.

I would have loved back then the 3.5mm to Lightning adapters that are coming. The Lightning cable would plug into the iPhone delivering both audio and power from the Lightning power and 3.5mm cable plugged into it.

But I will say that little BT dongle really sold me on going wireless. I'd love having even an inductive charging pad I could leave permanently plugged in, placed in my phone cradle so I would be ever have to plug anything in again.

I'm excited to see what wireless improvements Apple brings if they remove the headphone jack from the next iPhone next month.
 
so what's going to happen when someone says hey pass me the aux cord?... oh wait, sorry guys can't play my music...
 
So if I use AUX in in my car does this mean the lightening port will charge and play audio?? How is my car gonna know which is which?

In theory you would turn Bluetooth Audio off in your car's audio settings menu. I do this now in my BMW's. Bluetooth for phone calls would still work, charging would occur, there would be no wireless audio transmitted, so your AUX would receive the wired audio signal.

That's how it works on new BMW's at any rate.
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Before I upgraded my head unit to one with USB & BT, I used to have to plug and unplug two cables into my iPhone everytime I got in and out of the car. If I just had to go a short distance, I didn't bother plugging in, and just drove in silence rather than go to the hassle of plugging everything, and then unplugging it again a few minutes later.

I tried to come up with something that would allow me to plug my AUX jack and Lightning into one cable, so I could simplify my routine, but I couldn't find anything that easily did that since Apple hadn't yet published any Lightning audio specs.

What I ended up doing was buying a $20 BT dongle that plugged into my AUX jack. Best purchase I ever made. Now when I got into the car, the phone connected automatically to the BT dongle and started playing, and I could plug power into Lightning whenever was convenient. Short trips were no longer a problem.

I would have loved back then the 3.5mm to Lightning adapters that are coming. The Lightning cable would plug into the iPhone delivering both audio and power from the Lightning power and 3.5mm cable plugged into it.

But I will say that little BT dongle really sold me on going wireless. I'd love having even an inductive charging pad I could leave permanently plugged in, placed in my phone cradle so I would be ever have to plug anything in again.

I'm excited to see what wireless improvements Apple brings if they remove the headphone jack from the next iPhone next month.

In my BMW's I use beater iPod Touch's for my full library of 20,000 songs and iPhone Bluetooth only for phone calls. I have SiriusXM for variety, I don't stream Pandora or equivalent in the car. With two separate devices I don't have to worry about Lightning/power conflicts and I don't need to plug/unplug devices constantly as I use the cars frequently on weekend trips.
 
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I know this has been pretty well beaten to death, but I just wanted to make a few comments on Apple's seeming willingness to ditch legacy technology.

1. The iMac was the first legacy-free computer, although this is only halfway true(the original models still had an RS-422 mini DIN-8 serial, although it was hidden). USB was intended as a catch all replacement.

2. Once the limitations of early USB became apparent, Firewire caught on as a defacto mass storage replacement(i.e. SCSI) at least until USB became fast enough to be useable. Firewire showed up in the B&W G3 in 1999, was standard across the entire line-up by 2000, and slowly started disappearing with the Macbook Air and unibody Macbook(2008). Apple only stopped shipping computers with Firewire ports a few months ago, although admittedly the wholesale end of them came with the introduction of the rMBP(2012) and the trashcan Mac Pro(2013).

3. The first "New World" tower retained ADB and a SCSI card was a popular BTO option. Also, although floppy disks were gone, ZIP was ubiquitous as a BTO option on towers until the end of the Quicksilver case(2002). ZIP drives could also be had in SCSI, Firewire, and USB. At least one company even made them to fit the expansion bays in PowerBook G3s. You also had the competing "Superdisk" LS-120 standard, which as a USB peripheral was popular for iMacs since it could double as a floppy. These were also available from 3rd parties for PB G3 expansion bays.

4. Optical drives have had a long phase-out, with them first starting to disappear on the Macbook Air in 2008. The first serious move, though, came with them disappearing from the Mini, iMac, and rMBP in 2012 and then MP in 2013. Even so, the last computer with a built-in ODD only stopped shipping this year.
 
4. Optical drives have had a long phase-out, with them first starting to disappear on the Macbook Air in 2008. The first serious move, though, came with them disappearing from the Mini, iMac, and rMBP in 2012 and then MP in 2013. Even so, the last computer with a built-in ODD only stopped shipping this year.

I think they're still building and selling the Mid-2012 MBP with a built-in ODD. They will probably continue directly selling that MB until they introduce the new MBP, and even then there will probably be lots of stock sitting on store shelves.
 
I think they're still building and selling the Mid-2012 MBP with a built-in ODD. They will probably continue directly selling that MB until they introduce the new MBP, and even then there will probably be lots of stock sitting on store shelves.

I've heard about two months back that they were being phased out, and I didn't see any out on my last visit to the Apple store didn't show any on the floor.

That certainly doesn't mean you can't still buy one, though. From what I've seen, they remain a decently popular option at least among incoming college freshmen, although for probably the last two years I've seen more MBAs and rMBPs than mid-12 MBPs.
 
My main issue is that BT audio is rarely loud enough. I have to turn up the volume way up on both the iPhone and the stereo. Hopefully the iPhone 7 and beyond will solve this.

The volume issue is present using Maps, Podcasts, and Apple Music.
 
Why would you ask someone to pass you the AUX cord if you don't have a port for that?

Unless the car you're in is over a decade old, chances are it will have an AUX port. Whether it has a cord is another matter. What happens when you ask for the AUX cord and the guy driving says, "what AUX cord"?

That recently happened to me when I rented a car, it was an older model and only had an AUX port -- well I use BT and USB to connect to my car, and all of my friends and families cars as well. Did the rental car come with an AUX cord? No. And I didn't have one. I actually tried to buy one at a convenience store and they didn't carry them. But they did have a rack of cheap BT, Lightning and USB accessories.

That's the flip side of this argument that keeps coming up. Apple doesn't make new products for customers who are still using old technology -- they make products for people who live on the edge of technology, and they always have.

The actual answer for the question asked by @aPple nErd is this:

When he wants to play his music on legacy equipment, he logs into his Apple Music account on one of his buddies iPhones instead and streams from there. Or, next time, he buys his friend a $20 BT dongle so he too can enjoy wireless freedom without always plugging and unplugging two cables into his phone everytime he gets into and out of his car, and then is able to share his stereo with everybody.

Now what happens when I go cruising in my restored classic 1964 1/2 Mustang convertible and someone asks for the AUX cable? We listen to the radio.
 
I know this has been pretty well beaten to death, but I just wanted to make a few comments on Apple's seeming willingness to ditch legacy technology.

Good post, in the big picture the issue is that when Apple ditched legacy technology it was almost always because there was a better solution out there that the rest of the industry was about to adopt and excited about. Floppy discs for CD-R's. CD-R's for USB. USB for USB-C. Flash for HTML5.

The headphone jack is a very different story. Bluetooth and Lightning headphones have been out there for years and have very limited appeal. Bluetooth is a convenience trade-off (lose the wires, gain daily battery worries) and Lightning is a licensing nightmare for third-parties (costs $4 per product for MFi plus cost of connector). And we all know that Apple is doing this to pimp Beats headphones (to date the acquisition was a failure) and reduce iPhone returns (no headphone jack means no water damage) and sell adapters (hugely profitable).

Apple's motives are quite clear, the headphone jack does not stand in the way of progress. They could create Beats Lightning headphones and Beats Bluetooth headphones under current or future protocols and still keep the headphone jack. They are choosing not to so they can force consumer's hands. We don't like their tactics.
 
May I draw your attention to the following:

https://9to5mac.com/2016/08/05/repo...wireless-headphones-may-launch-with-iphone-7/

Apple have come to a decision. They believe that they have advanced wireless bluetooth technology to a stage where listening to music via a wireless connection is good enough to be 'standard'. A big gamble for a Billion Dollar Company? You are a fool if you choose to believe it is.

Apple would have carried out years of R&D on their new headphones. Perhaps as far back as 2012 when the EarPods were first released.

I imagine the same people on here complaining about Apple shifting from AUX to wireless bluetooth would have been the same people on here saying that fingerprint scanning technology is not capable enough, or secure enough, just before the release of the iPhone 5s....
His would be apple's best kept secret. A brand new product with barely even a rumor supposedly launching in about a month's time.

Nothing impossible but at this point I'd say improbable. It would be a pleasant surprise and something I would potentially even buy if it's performance was up to snuff in s gym setting.
 
Good post, in the big picture the issue is that when Apple ditched legacy technology it was almost always because there was a better solution out there that the rest of the industry was about to adopt and excited about. Floppy discs for CD-R's. CD-R's for USB. USB for USB-C. Flash for HTML5.

The headphone jack is a very different story. Bluetooth and Lightning headphones have been out there for years and have very limited appeal. Bluetooth is a convenience trade-off (lose the wires, gain daily battery worries) and Lightning is a licensing nightmare for third-parties (costs $4 per product for MFi plus cost of connector). And we all know that Apple is doing this to pimp Beats headphones (to date the acquisition was a failure) and reduce iPhone returns (no headphone jack means no water damage) and sell adapters (hugely profitable).

Apple's motives are quite clear, the headphone jack does not stand in the way of progress. They could create Beats Lightning headphones and Beats Bluetooth headphones under current or future protocols and still keep the headphone jack. They are choosing not to so they can force consumer's hands. We don't like their tactics.
Thanks for saying what I was trying to but didn't manage to get out.

Yes, Apple does ditch legacy technology, but again it's in favor of something better.

USB is a great example. There was little on the market when the first iMac came out, but it brought a lot of products to the market.

Unfortunately, Thunderbolt has yet to really catch on, and I suspect a lot of this has to do with the "cost of admission." The last time I looked, even cheap TB cables were $30 for a short one and peripherals are quite expensive. I was excited to get a Mac with TB, but five years later all I've ever used a Thunderbolt port for is to plug in a miniDP adapter.
 
If bluetooth lag wasn't an issue, It'd be less of a concern for me. Some such as myself use apps like garageband on the iPhone or iPad with an interface like irig for playing music. Ignoring the fact that most interfaces connect through the headphone jack. The latency for playing music over bluetooth is bad.

The same as when you press pause or play while listening to music. The change is not always instant. While listening this is fine. When playing it's not acceptable.

Personally, I use my Macbook Pro or PC 99% of the time for music so not a factor in this case. We need to be more conscious though. Just because something works for you doesn't mean it works for others.
 
Thanks for saying what I was trying to but didn't manage to get out.

Yes, Apple does ditch legacy technology, but again it's in favor of something better.

USB is a great example. There was little on the market when the first iMac came out, but it brought a lot of products to the market.

This argument works both ways. It's arguable that USB was an improvement over serial and parallel ports for the way those ports were being used at the time. In essence it was able to combine several ports, ADB, PS2, serial, parallel, and allowed the industry to move forward in a more standardized way that was a little more future proofed. However, you point to the complete lack of products on the market at the time Apple made the decision. And that, if you assume nothing else, really the issue behind the removal of the 3.5mm headphone jack. USB was introduced in 1996, yet when Apple introduced it in 1998, and removed all legacy ports, there was effectively nothing on the market available for it. There was absolutely nothing preventing Apple from including the legacy ports on the iMac as well. But their decision not to is ultimately what drove demand, competition, innovation, and price reductions which caused the proliferation of the USB product markets. I would argue that PC makers giving its customers the ability to add USB to their legacy equipment actually slowed the adoption of USB overall. Until a tipping point was reached, where it was more expensive to buy products to use with legacy ports, there was no incentive to buy anything with a USB port. If not for the Mac forcing its customers to buy USB adapters, and replace legacy equipment with USB products, It might have taken a lot longer to become an industry standard.

And that's really in part what's at stake here. For all practical purposes, despite those who love to claim otherwise, there are few Lightning headphones on the market. And to the extent the average customer knows about them, no real incentive to buy them since they are more expensive and the improvement in quality is likely offset by inconvenience of compatibility -- especially since they are playing the same low-res, low-bitrate compressed sound files. BT doesn't fare much better given the state of current technology, not to mention where it was when a consumer may have last tried it. Ease of use, quality, price -- all factors that can't begin to compete with a $10 pair of earbuds bought at a convenience store for many people. So as long as the average consumer has a choice, most are likely going to opt for the cheapest, highest quality product available to them, despite the advantages of the more expensive product.

There's no doubt that wireless headphones are a better experience, all things being equal. Not having to worry about wires limiting movement or getting caught on things, or plugging and unplugging them a dozen times a day, winding and untangling them for storage and use each time. All these things lead to a lower quality experience. And frankly, I would trade charging my headphones once a day for the multiple times I have to go through the cable management routine. Lightning offers less benefits overall, but definitely it allows for higher quality. But as long as there's a cheaper alternative, and no HQ product to listen to over them, then the obvious benefits they do provide like powered noise cancellation, one cable to charge and distribute audio (rather than a redundant audio jack that only does one thing), are not necessarily enough to motivate customers or developers.

Sometimes choice is a bad thing. And I'd argue it definitely would have been for the advancement of USB, and now wireless audio.
 
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