iPhone 7 - Don't cry about your missing AUX Input

[lordofthereef]

Less than 2% of the headphone using public use wireless headphones. The other 98% use wired headphones. What are you talking about by saying "the majority of the people could care less"? The majority of the people will be dumbfounded, pissed off, and won't buy in to Apple's decision.
BJ

Someone actually shared a survey where something like 85% of those polled didn't care either way. I think the product that is packaged with the phone ends up getting used by many anyway.

I'm not saying you're strictly wrong, but I think consumers are willing to deal with inconvenience, so long as it isn't overwhelming. For many, the cost (time) of learning a new OS simply because they no longer have an aux input to use just isn't going to be worth it.

I think this can go either way. But I'm leaning towards people shrugging it off as a fact of life. Apple will spin is as a necessary move. And life will go on.
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This is true, but dropping the port basically forces the manufacturers to make lightning port headphone options... Most people do not want to deal with adapters when they can be avoided.

NO, leave my silent switch alone... I would despise having to turn on my phones screen to mute it

I think many would hate the mute switch thing. But it's completely missing from most other phones on the market and it's why I used the example. People get so fight up with their "I use Bluetooth and you all are living in the past" nonsense. And yet they can't let go of their analogue mute switch lol.

I think a lot of manufacturers, particularly early on, are going to skip lightning. It doesn't benefit your everyday $10 buds in any way and is just an expensive (we can argue what this means but it's a cost that wasn't there before) license for the manufacturer. Plus, literally every other phone in the planet still utilizes 3.5mm. We aren't going to magically get cheap higher quality headphones out of this. If anything, Bluetooth will see a renaissance, but that's sort of already happening so...

But oh, we will start getting "copy cats" going for USB c headphones too. Won't that be glorious? We can have USB c and lightning and 3.5mm all be sold st the same time. Technology is simplifying life. I can dig it.

 

[Want300]

If that's their suicidal goal for iPhone, so be it, alienating users by removing the port they use for music is a great way to do it.

Especially with iPod as part of the inspiration for the iPhone, the original idea of having all your devices in one...

I am awaiting an answer on charging your phone while listening to music... another adapter? or them telling me wireless head phones are the answer?

I understand they are working on near field charging, which will be awesome... and assuming that is implemented in the future... that's when they should consider removing the headphone jack if they are dead set on removing it
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But oh, we will start getting "copy cats" going for USB c headphones too. Won't that be glorious? We can have USB c and lightning and 3.5mm all be sold st the same time. Technology is simplifying life. I can dig it.

Yup. More Adapters!
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I think many would hate the mute switch thing. But it's completely missing from most other phones on the market and it's why I used the example. People get so fight up with their "I use Bluetooth and you all are living in the past" nonsense. And yet they can't let go of their analogue mute switch lol.

Seriously, dont touch my mute switch, lol

 

[boltjames]

Someone actually shared a survey where something like 85% of those polled didn't care either way. I think the product that is packaged with the phone ends up getting used by many anyway.

I'm not saying you're strictly wrong, but I think consumers are willing to deal with inconvenience, so long as it isn't overwhelming. For many, the cost (time) of learning a new OS simply because they no longer have an aux input to use just isn't going to be worth it.

I think many would hate the mute switch thing. But it's completely missing from most other phones on the market and it's why I used the example. People get so fight up with their "I use Bluetooth and you all are living in the past" nonsense. And yet they can't let go of their analogue mute switch lol.

Good post.

The loss of the headphone jack or the loss of the mute switch are examples of Apple making it harder on their consumers for the sake of a buck. Will the world end? No. But a dongle on a headphone is unattractive, cumbersome, and easily lost. No mute switch means that those of us in a meeting or a movie theater will have to light up our screens, unlock, and swipe a few times which is inelegant. The Music app is more difficult to use than ever, just getting to a Playlist requires you to see Connect content first. The rounded edges require you to purchase a case just so the phone doesn't hit the floor. Apple's required iPhone subsidies ended allowing the carriers to double the price of new equipment and treat the phone as a financed car lease and fleece users.

These things are all anti-consumer. Something Apple was never about before this. It's like advertisements in Facebook or Twitter news feeds. "Hey guys, sorry, we need to monetize now", it just never was Apple's way and they've made a ton of money off of iOS already, you'd think we'd be immune to these motives by choosing the luxury brand the way we have.

BJ

 

[Mac 128]

But the majority of people could care less if they have a headphone jack or not. It is like saying we should still make laptops with a VGA port because it is on almost every single monitor. The headphone jack is SO easily replaceable.




LOL What?

First, you really cant compare marketshares and you cant compare iPhone marketshare to Mac vs Windows market share. The iPhone and Mac Market Share are actually very similar if you compare apples to apples.

You realize the iPhone has incompatible proprietary ports while the Mac does not? The Mac can also run windows while iOS has absolutely no cross platform compatiblity.

That's what you come away with in response? LOL He's pulling facts out of thin air now, with no basis in reality, and pumped up with hyperbole. He's gone off the deep end. The last act of a desperate person who has no valid points. Make up your facts, and present them as reality.

 

[macfacts]

An interesting theory.

It's part of Apple's iOS dev terms of service.

Application may not itself install or launch other executable code
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If apps can load or install other apps, then devs can bypass Apple's app store. Apple wants to be the middleman so they can get their 30%.

 

[C DM]

It's part of Apple's iOS dev terms of service.

Application may not itself install or launch other executable code
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If apps can load or install other apps, then devs can bypass Apple's app store. Apple wants to be the middleman so they can get their 30%.

There's that, certainly (not that Flash would install or launch other code really, and not that all kinds of JavaScript type of "games" and other things aren't available and working in iOS either).

That aside, the interesting theory part is that that's what's actually behind it all.

 

[joeblow7777]

For me, the apple earbuds have never fit my ears comfortably. What they should do, is include the adapter (one more thing to keep track of mind you) to allow us to use our current head phones, without having to pay $29 or more for it.

Here is my main issue with this... If I buy a pair of Bose Headphones with the lightning plug... I cannot use them for my MacBook Pro, I cannot use them for my work phone, which is a GS6...without having yet another adapter... like the quote below, I have multiple headphones for different situations and I have had some of them for many years and they still work great. so do I have one adapter and try to keep it with my phone, or multiple ones to keep with each pair of headphones...

Maybe they will include an adapter. Really, it's the least they could do to try and make the transition a little less inconvenient. But as you say, I'm not thrilled about having another accessory to keep track of.

 

[janeauburn]

I don't care. People can change or learn to.

There's nothing great about wire tangle.

 

[frankgrimes]

I don't care. People can change or learn to.

There's nothing great about wire tangle.

Better audio quality and not depending on charging another device is always nice. Yeah Bluetooth has come a long long way but the headphone jack is still and always will be important. Wheter Apple decides to remove it or not

 

[joeblow7777]

I don't care. People can change or learn to.

There's nothing great about wire tangle.

A lot of people are talking about how ditching the jack is a great thing because it eliminates wires, but by all accounts Apple is still including wired (lightning) earpods, so what does this really accomplish except make it that headphones that people have already invested in will be useless for their phone without an adapter? Those who want a wireless solution have had the option of getting such headphones for years already.

 

[frankgrimes]

A lot of people are talking about how ditching the jack is a great thing because it eliminates wires, but by all accounts Apple is still including wired (lightning) earpods, so what does this really accomplish except make it that headphones that people have already invested in will be useless for their phone without an adapter? Those who want a wireless solution have had the option of getting such headphones for years already.

In fact it will mean more cables because you have to use an adapter for TB 3 to 3,5 inch so it's just something extra that can get lost.

 

[Ghost31]

wired will always provide better sound quality than wireless. always.

Always? Like even 50 years from now when we're all living in space ships?

 

[Bentox]

Always? Like even 50 years from now when we're all living in space ships?

Most especially then.

 

[lordofthereef]

Always? Like even 50 years from now when we're all living in space ships?

Impossible to answer, but the standard has already lived longer than fifty years, unless in mistaken.

Safe to say that Bluetooth, unless Apple has created or plans to unveil some magical new standard, is not the revolution. This new device using currently existing Bluetooth standards won't be better off without the plug (in terms of pure audio quality).

 

[TJone]

I am just waiting for the end of next Apple Keynote for Tim Cook to say, "there is one less thing!" A headphone jack. I am glad Apple also removed my incentive to upgrade this year and I will keep more cash in my pocket.

 

[Ghost31]

Impossible to answer, but the standard has already lived longer than fifty years, unless in mistaken.

Safe to say that Bluetooth, unless Apple has created or plans to unveil some magical new standard, is not the revolution. This new device using currently existing Bluetooth standards won't be better off without the plug (in terms of pure audio quality).

Ya know...I'm right in the middle of this whole issue. I don't care about the headphone jack. I use Bluetooth everything and I am more than happy with it. But at the same time, I don't really see the need to remove the headphone jack altogether. I mean why? It's definitely not to make the iPhone thinner. It's not to add another speaker. All I can think of is that Apple feels it's redundant to have a headphone jack when audio can be output through both Bluetooth and USB-C, so it almost feels like..having one hole too many. I think it's more about design and making room for internals.

But I think the backlash to this is gonna be a lot bigger than Apple thinks. Even if they're right in the sense that at some point we would have ditched the aux jack anyway, to do it now just seems like poor timing...

And on the future thing: put on your visionary hat. Look into the future. Tv has been around for a long time. Now it's gone onto the Internet. Just because something has existed for awhile, doesn't mean that it will forever. In the end, it really will be one extra port that people don't tend to use. So it will get the ax at some point. The only question is when. And what will happen if the response to the lack of headphone jack will be overwhelmingly negative. What if the iPhone 7 is the first iPhone in history to just totally bomb in sales? Would Apple respond to the market and re-add it? Interesting to think about

 

[C DM]

I am just waiting for the end of next Apple Keynote for Tim Cook to say, "there is one less thing!" A headphone jack. I am glad Apple also removed my incentive to upgrade this year and I will keep more cash in my pocket.

Realistically speaking, Apple hasn't really done anything yet in relation to it all.

 

[lordofthereef]

Ya know...I'm right in the middle of this whole issue. I don't care about the headphone jack. I use Bluetooth everything and I am more than happy with it. But at the same time, I don't really see the need to remove the headphone jack altogether. I mean why? It's definitely not to make the iPhone thinner. It's not to add another speaker. All I can think of is that Apple feels it's redundant to have a headphone jack when audio can be output through both Bluetooth and USB-C, so it almost feels like..having one hole too many. I think it's more about design and making room for internals.

But I think the backlash to this is gonna be a lot bigger than Apple thinks. Even if they're right in the sense that at some point we would have ditched the aux jack anyway, to do it now just seems like poor timing...

And on the future thing: put on your visionary hat. Look into the future. Tv has been around for a long time. Now it's gone onto the Internet. Just because something has existed for awhile, doesn't mean that it will forever. In the end, it really will be one extra port that people don't tend to use. So it will get the ax at some point? The only question is when.

I'm in the fence. The backlash will either be huge or people will completely shrug it off. I really can't tell on this one.

I wouldn't be so resistant if I saw a clear benefit. I've mentioned multiple times around here that there are ways Apple could get me to accept the drop. Right now I'm losing something that I use and gaining nothing. That can change, assuming there's a secret up Apple's sleeve. Based on years of data that's a gamble though.

As far as being a visionary, I don't disagree that the fact 3.5mm has been around a while it will never be replaced. I'm simply saying that, unless Apple has invented something new that we don't yet know about, that better thing isn't going to be built into the new phone. My phone, today, will theoretically perform the same as Hebrew iPhone in terms of audio. This includes Bluetooth and lightning audio.

 

[Ghost31]

I'm in the fence. The backlash will either be huge or people will completely shrug it off. I really can't tell on this one.

I wouldn't be so resistant if I saw a clear benefit. I've mentioned multiple times around here that there are ways Apple could get me to accept the drop. Right now I'm losing something that I use and gaining nothing. That can change, assuming there's a secret up Apple's sleeve. Based on years of data that's a gamble though.

As far as being a visionary, I don't disagree that the fact 3.5mm has been around a while it will never be replaced. I'm simply saying that, unless Apple has invented something new that we don't yet know about, that better thing isn't going to be built into the new phone. My phone, today, will theoretically perform the same as Hebrew iPhone in terms of audio. This includes Bluetooth and lightning audio.

Can you think of anything Apple could say that would change your mind and get you excited about the removal? Tim Cook on stage "we've removed the headphone jack and the benefit is ______"

 

[Mac 128]

In fact it will mean more cables because you have to use an adapter for TB 3 to 3,5 inch so it's just something extra that can get lost.

And that may be the thing that will push those customers who have been using the free headphones in the box, into investing into something better.

Ya know...I'm right in the middle of this whole issue. I don't care about the headphone jack. I use Bluetooth everything and I am more than happy with it. But at the same time, I don't really see the need to remove the headphone jack altogether. I mean why? It's definitely not to make the iPhone thinner. It's not to add another speaker. All I can think of is that Apple feels it's redundant to have a headphone jack when audio can be output through both Bluetooth and USB-C, so it almost feels like..having one hole too many. I think it's more about design and making room for internals.

But I think the backlash to this is gonna be a lot bigger than Apple thinks. Even if they're right in the sense that at some point we would have ditched the aux jack anyway, to do it now just seems like poor timing...

And on the future thing: put on your visionary hat. Look into the future. Tv has been around for a long time. Now it's gone onto the Internet. Just because something has existed for awhile, doesn't mean that it will forever. In the end, it really will be one extra port that people don't tend to use. So it will get the ax at some point. The only question is when. And what will happen if the response to the lack of headphone jack will be overwhelmingly negative. What if the iPhone 7 is the first iPhone in history to just totally bomb in sales? Would Apple respond to the market and re-add it? Interesting to think about

Well Apple did backpedal on removing the Firewire port on the MacBook. But what they really did was upgrade the polycarbonate MacBooks with the same old port configuration, and upgraded the aluminum unibody MacBook to a 13" MacBook Pro, and add the Firewire port back, so they sort of saved face. Then they removed the Firewire port from the MacBook line when the discontinued the polycarbonate model (if not just before).

My guess is the 4.7" will always be absent the headphone jack, but they might add it back to the 5.5" Plus, assuming they take it away. Or they might take it away from the next 4" "SE" model, and put it back on the next 4.7" "S" model. Maybe they introduce the iPhone 8 without the jack, and replace the 7 with a 7S with the jack and drop the price.

I have said all along that Apple wouldn't do this unless the competition was also in a position of planning/needing to do it. I guess we'll see. My money is on Apple introducing some new technology that makes the loss of the 3.5mm jack not that big of a deal for most of their customers, and makes wireless a lot more attractive.

 

[lordofthereef]

Can you think of anything Apple could say that would change your mind and get you excited about the removal? Tim Cook on stage "we've removed the headphone jack and the benefit is ______"

Specifics? No, probably not. But I just haven't removed it from the realm of possibility. I'm not willing to say that the 3.5mm port is the be all end all factor in my decision to upgrade.

Some things I want?
1080p 4.7" model
Amoled
Wireless charging
Quick charging
Waterproofing
Price drop would be crazy

Couple of those might get me to rethink my decisions. The screen improvements migt be a light to do it alone.

Or maybe it become a transformer and turns into the Apple car. Removing that port would certainly be forgivable then.

 

[Crzyrio]

That's what you come away with in response? LOL He's pulling facts out of thin air now, with no basis in reality, and pumped up with hyperbole. He's gone off the deep end. The last act of a desperate person who has no valid points. Make up your facts, and present them as reality.

WTF lol. Memory loss or something?

You are the one that posted the survey saying that the majority of the people that were asked at a Apple Store said that the loss of a headphone jack did not bother them.

i even posted it in earlier posts and quoted it but everyone seems to not take that point into consideration when replying lol.

 

[Nanotyrns]

I know there are a lot of audiophiles here who won't sully their ears with Apple earbuds, but most people use what comes in the box.

I love the ear pods. They sound soooo much better than the original earphones.

I imagine they will soften the blow somehow. Either a new version of the buds or an adapter. I feel like an adapter is more in order because that would allow you to use any headphones rather than limiting you to just Apple's. Of course, if Steve Jobs were still around, we'd get just the Lightening EarPods and a lecture about how they sound better than any consumer headphones out there under $200 anyways so shut up and enjoy these great EarPods we spent so much time designing for you and watch this video about it.

Tim Cook is a little more on the friendly side though so I think we'll get an adapter.

 

[Crzyrio]

Less than 2% of the headphone using public use wireless headphones. The other 98% use wired headphones. What are you talking about by saying "the majority of the people could care less"? The majority of the people will be dumbfounded, pissed off, and won't buy in to Apple's decision.

Because someone went out and actually asked people: http://www.macnn.com/articles/16/01...o.ask.apple.shoppers.what.they.thought.131986

The iPhone is the single best selling mobile phone in the world. The Mac is a niche product with a small audience. Completely different planets. If Apple makes a major change to the Mac it wouldn't move their stock price a nickel. If Apple screws up the iPhone it's catastrophic.

Mobile Phones:
Samsung has about 25% market share, apple has about 15%

Computers:
Lenovo has about 21% market share, apple has about 8%

The marketshare difference is not all that big lol.
Yes, at this point in time the iPhone is making apple more money then Macs but not many companies are actually making money off personal computers.

To the public, the iPhone has 1 port and it's called the headphone jack. The other is a socket that people use for charging and nothing else. Your analogy doesn't work because unlike a notebook an iPhone doesn't transfer data or connect to other devices with ports. Except, of course, for a headphone.

I run Windows on my Mac so I know exactly what it's capabilities are. The reason it is not a successful consumer electronics device and its operating system a single-digit footnote despite 30 years of trying is because Apple ignores the massive Windows consumer base and caters to a small niche. If that's their suicidal goal for iPhone, so be it, alienating users by removing the port they use for music is a great way to do it.

BJ

They far from cater to a niche with their MacBooks but that is a whole different discussion. Macs are not taking over simply because of price and their dominance in the business sector and people not wanting change there.

 

[Closingracer]

You AUX jack lovers annoy me. You hold back change and progression with your whinging. You pipe up about how Apple will fail because the precious AUX input has been removed.

Yes because advancing wireless technology and getting rid of long, tangly cables is a bad thing

Why do you even buy Apple when you know this is what they do? They move the goalposts. People moan. Then people shut up when they realise why it has been done.

In September we will find out why and it will be awesome.

Lol you're whining about the whiners..... Cool bruh



Side note I have no issue with them removing it.... I have an issue With Apple using a port that isn't a universal standard. Unlike you probably plenty of others I don't drink the Apple Kool-aid and have no loyalty to them what so ever. I've use Android devices in the past and just so happens I have am iPhone 6 plus atm. If they want to make us use lightning cable headphones I will vote with my wallet and possibly move on. The only thing keeping me back and saying I will is iMessage which is important to me. If they add USB C that would be a better idea bit we know apple won't do that