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This is why Trump is leading in the polls. Nobody bothers to pay attention to details, or takes the time to comprehend anything they read.

Or perhaps it's just that people wake up in the morning looking for an excuse to get angry at Apple.

Not angry. And I did misread. Thankfully I'm not voting for trump either way so...
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I have a feeling that many of you are so anxious to moan and groan and complain that you only see what you want to see and don't even bother to think or read before posting. Makes for a very entertaining but completely useless and unintelligent forum. I guess that's what you guys want.
I did read, however I missed it. I'm unsure how saying Apple needs to wow me to upgrade is "moaning and groaning", but you obviously have the right to your own opinion.
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The same cables will still work. There's a cutout around the current Lightning port and that cutout will shrink.
Thank you for finding a respectful way to correct my obvious oversight. Maybe you can help tell people how truly easy this post was. :)
 
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I still have my lightning cable from my iPhone 5. It doesn't look anything like that and I use it daily. WTF are you doing? Stop pulling it by the cable. Stop twisting/bending/chewing it while you use it. Some people really just DGF when it comes to things I guess.

Thank you - finally someone speaks reasonably about these cables.

Having had multiple iPhones and iPads over the last 6 years, I have never experienced a lightning cable fraying or suffering any type of damage. Never. But, then, I don't yank them out of the port by the cable! The only manner of handling which I can surmise would produce such damaged cords would be violently pulling them free of the lightning port by the cable (rather than by the endpoint which holds the actual connector).

Not judging -- just offering that the 'but they fail so fast' experience is not the norm.
 
Thank you - finally someone speaks reasonably about these cables.

Having had multiple iPhones and iPads over the last 6 years, I have never experienced a lightning cable fraying or suffering any type of damage. Never. But, then, I don't yank them out of the port by the cable! The only manner of handling which I can surmise would produce such damaged cords would be violently pulling them free of the lightning port by the cable (rather than by the endpoint which holds the actual connector).

Not judging -- just offering that the 'but they fail so fast' experience is not the norm.
I have heard people argue that cables wear incredibly fast when the device is being used while charging and therefore should not be used in such a matter. I have certainly had cables fray at the juncture of the cable and the male end of the lightning port, but I do use my phone plugged in for a bit before bed each night. Same goes for the phone in the car, though to a much lesser degree.

I can also say that I have since gone with a third party cable (mostly because I needed one longer for bed so as to avoid using a USB extension cable) and have used that cable for over a year now; anecdotal, I know, but every Apple branded cable I used in this manner beforehand at least started showing wear (though they didn't necessarily all tear, and only one cable in my many years of iPhone use has ever been unusable due to this structural failure).

Apple also doesn't seem to have an official stance on whether iOS devices should or should not be used while charging. On their page desription of batteris, they do clearly say the device can be used while charging (in reference to a device where the battery was so far depleted that the device shut itself off).

Far be it from me to make a conclusion of the overall quality of these Apple cables for the general populous, but they have certainly been problematic for me, moreso than any other type of cable by any manufacturer (as an example I also have an Android work phone (to be fair it gets much less "in bed" use; wow, didn't know how to say that more tamely lol) as well as gaming controllers that are plugged in via micro/mini USB cables often, and are also multiple years old.

Maybe my conclusions or experiences will be deemed unreasonable by you. I really couldn't say. I don't think that my usage patterns represent abuse or misuse of the cables and, as such, I have decided to go with cables by manufacturers that don't seem to exhibit the same problems that Apple cables have, unfortunately, exhibited during my use. I will absolutely still use the cables that come packaged with a new iOS device though; I am not really given a choice in purchasing those or not. But if I am to buy a new cable, my poor experiences have lead me to go with something other than Apple, and that really isn't something I have said for other peripherals, hell, even cases to some extent.
 
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I guarantee your 3.5mm headphone connector has never rotated while in your pocket -- the cable twisted instead, thus putting more strain on it. If your 3.5mm connector was loose enough to rotate in your pocket, then you would have known by how poor the audio connection was with static and dropouts from not making a good connection.

I honestly think, you haven't thought it through. Yes, an L-shaped connector rotates all the time. ;)

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tricking us with Flush camera feature. sounds great until you hear 'same megapixels' :)
Cuz megapixels are what truly matters ... not the amount of light the camera takes in or low light capabilities or anything.
 
I honestly think, you haven't thought it through. Yes, an L-shaped connector rotates all the time. ;)

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I'd say you haven't thought this through. How exactly is an L shaped connector going rotate at all in a pocket? And why would anyone use an L-shaped connector in a pocket? If anything, the restricted orientation of the phone in the pocket would result in more cable flex and contortions than a straight connector. Then there's the fact that very few headphones, if any, come with a native L-shaped connector to begin with. Even the cable you're showing is an inter-device connection cable which implies both devices are fixed. Add to that the devices you most commonly see L-shaped connectors are musical instruments, and if you've ever played an electric bass or guitar, you know that once adjusted the connector rarely moves except in situations of extreme strain, because again a loose enough connector to freely rotate such that it prevents cable strain, makes for bad connections.
 
I have heard people argue that cables wear incredibly fast when the device is being used while charging and therefore should not be used in such a matter. I have certainly had cables fray at the juncture of the cable and the male end of the lightning port, but I do use my phone plugged in for a bit before bed each night. Same goes for the phone in the car, though to a much lesser degree.

I can also say that I have since gone with a third party cable (mostly because I needed one longer for bed so as to avoid using a USB extension cable) and have used that cable for over a year now; anecdotal, I know, but every Apple branded cable I used in this manner beforehand at least started showing wear (though they didn't necessarily all tear, and only one cable in my many years of iPhone use has ever been unusable due to this structural failure).

Apple also doesn't seem to have an official stance on whether iOS devices should or should not be used while charging. On their page desription of batteris, they do clearly say the device can be used while charging (in reference to a device where the battery was so far depleted that the device shut itself off).

Far be it from me to make a conclusion of the overall quality of these Apple cables for the general populous, but they have certainly been problematic for me, moreso than any other type of cable by any manufacturer (as an example I also have an Android work phone (to be fair it gets much less "in bed" use; wow, didn't know how to say that more tamely lol) as well as gaming controllers that are plugged in via micro/mini USB cables often, and are also multiple years old.

Maybe my conclusions or experiences will be deemed unreasonable by you. I really couldn't say. I don't think that my usage patterns represent abuse or misuse of the cables and, as such, I have decided to go with cables by manufacturers that don't seem to exhibit the same problems that Apple cables have, unfortunately, exhibited during my use. I will absolutely still use the cables that come packaged with a new iOS device though; I am not really given a choice in purchasing those or not. But if I am to buy a new cable, my poor experiences have lead me to go with something other than Apple, and that really isn't something I have said for other peripherals, hell, even cases to some extent.

That's a good point - I rarely, if ever, use my iPhone or iPad while charging. I find dealing with a cable too annoying. So that does eliminate a source of cable strain in my case.

If Apple truly does eliminate the headphone jack and uses the lightning port for audio, I think we'll see pretty quickly if this is the complicating factor. I walk around with wired earbuds all of the time while out and about - because my wireless earbuds have such short battery life (4.5 hours, horrible; but ok sound for bluetooth). We'll probably see an explosion of third party cables if this is the case.
 
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I use the 1/8" jack several times a week for audio output into many types of devices. It's an industry standard and I'm really not interesting in packing around some special adapter just so I can have an even thinner phone – or whatever reason Apple has for deleting it.

Yup. I know a fair number of reporters who record interviews on the phone with a mic in the phone jack, because the quality of the built in mic sucks rocks. So Apple will be losing that fight.
 
Yup. I know a fair number of reporters who record interviews on the phone with a mic in the phone jack, because the quality of the built in mic sucks rocks. So Apple will be losing that fight.

Unless they improve the quality of the built-in mic, or someone offers a third party Lightning mic, that attaches in essentially the same way.
 
Unless they improve the quality of the built-in mic, or someone offers a third party Lightning mic, that attaches in essentially the same way.
And they actually already do! Here is just one example (note I have no idea of the quality but on a quick search at least hald a dozen came up ranging from abou $20 to $100+)
 
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\How exactly is an L shaped connector going rotate at all in a pocket? And why would anyone use an L-shaped connector in a pocket? If anything, the restricted orientation of the phone in the pocket would result in more cable flex and contortions than a straight connector. Add to that the devices you most commonly see L-shaped connectors are musical instruments, and if you've ever played an electric bass or guitar, you know that once adjusted the connector rarely moves except in situations of extreme strain, ...

L-shaped connectors always swivel on mobile use - unless the device has a lock-in mechanism for the L-shape to prevent that particular move.

Professional musicians use L-shaped connects all the time on-stage and in studio. There is, however, no chance for the consoles to be juggled around like an iPhone.

That said, how valid is the "phenom" that rotating 3.5 connects disrupt quality?
 
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Am I the only one who plugs speakers into the 3.7 jack into all my Apple devices to simply be able to hear well music, videos, and audiobooks? I do not like headphones or buds pushed into my ears, which admittedly are 71 years old.

You could check out Bluetooth speakers instead of plug ins. There are some nice ones available.
 
L-shaped connectors always swivel on mobile use - unless the device has a lock-in mechanism for the L-shape to prevent that particular move.

Professional musicians use L-shaped connects all the time on-stage and in studio. There is, however, no chance for the consoles to be juggled around like an iPhone.

That said, how valid is the "phenom" that rotating 3.5 connects disrupt quality?
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You could check out Bluetooth speakers instead of plug ins. There are some nice ones available.

Every interface added to a AV series decreases the quality of the product: worst is wireless.

Satellite or cable broadcast always comes delayed to the TV set when compared to OTA broadcast - anywhere between 8 and 32 seconds or so.

And, each interface delay also adds compression. BT or wireless interface is always modified AND delayed.

Go back to the (late 80's to the 90's) and connect your headphones to the amp directly and listen to the precious quality of the audio - the compare it with an IR, BT or other wireless headphone. I can argue against that quality.
 
L-shaped connectors always swivel on mobile use - unless the device has a lock-in mechanism for the L-shape to prevent that particular move.

Professional musicians use L-shaped connects all the time on-stage and in studio. There is, however, no chance for the consoles to be juggled around like an iPhone.

That said, how valid is the "phenom" that rotating 3.5 connects disrupt quality?

Yes L-shaped connectors rotate with some minimal effort. They don't freely spin. The "phenom" is that if the connection isn't tight enough to hold the plug firmly, then it may not be making good contact somewhere, which results in noise. That's the main reason audio phone jacks have to be replaced, and I've had to replace a few over the years.

But L-shaped headphone plugs don't make any sense anyway, because there are going to be very few situations where the listener isn't going to pull the cable away from the plug attachment at a 90 degree angle, putting just as much strain on the cable as walking in circles around a plug that doesn't freely spin.

Besides, the phone connector was never designed for that. It was designed for quick symmetrical connect and disconnect on a telephone switchboard, not to reduce strain on a cable that was twisted at different angles to the original point of insertion, as nothing was mobile in those days. Whether such a thing is possible today is irrelevant as such behavior always puts undue strain on the cables and attachment point whether it harms the connection point or not (and it does).
 
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I'd say you haven't thought this through. How exactly is an L shaped connector going rotate at all in a pocket? And why would anyone use an L-shaped connector in a pocket? If anything, the restricted orientation of the phone in the pocket would result in more cable flex and contortions than a straight connector. Then there's the fact that very few headphones, if any, come with a native L-shaped connector to begin with. Even the cable you're showing is an inter-device connection cable which implies both devices are fixed. Add to that the devices you most commonly see L-shaped connectors are musical instruments, and if you've ever played an electric bass or guitar, you know that once adjusted the connector rarely moves except in situations of extreme strain, because again a loose enough connector to freely rotate such that it prevents cable strain, makes for bad connections.

Hmmm, really? :p

Last time I looked, many, if not most quality Earphones for the mobile devices come with a L-shape connector. My last 2 surely had one. :rolleyes:

And you know, there are 3.5 mm L-shape adapters available? Why is that so? Leads to your next question:

You asked why people would use an L-shape connector in a pocket in the first place? Ok, let me help you out: it uses less space and puts less strain on a connector in a tight pocket.

And yes, they will rotate a bit. Even in a pocket. Why do they rotate? During movement and therefore when force is applied. Force which would otherwise result in a bend or strain.

One doesn't like the L-shape connector? Simply use a adapter or extension. Of course -unlike lighting- without an apple tax and therefore cheap.

And no, *some might wonder* when your connector swivels a few degrees clock or anticlockwise, your sound will not start to have crackles or distortions :p
 
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Yeah, that technology has been around for decades. It's just a delay between L/R speakers. For example, if you delay the right speaker by 10ms (or something like that), it'll trick you into thinking the sound is coming from the far right (or left...I forget). We actually discern left/right sounds from the tiny delay that it takes to get to the other ear (we don't tell left and right by the amplitude/volume difference).

Doesn't it also alter the pitch slightly too, or remove lower frequencies? I've never researched faux surround :)
 
L-shaped connectors always swivel on mobile use - unless the device has a lock-in mechanism for the L-shape to prevent that particular move.

Professional musicians use L-shaped connects all the time on-stage and in studio. There is, however, no chance for the consoles to be juggled around like an iPhone.

That said, how valid is the "phenom" that rotating 3.5 connects disrupt quality?
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Every interface added to a AV series decreases the quality of the product: worst is wireless.

Satellite or cable broadcast always comes delayed to the TV set when compared to OTA broadcast - anywhere between 8 and 32 seconds or so.

And, each interface delay also adds compression. BT or wireless interface is always modified AND delayed.

Go back to the (late 80's to the 90's) and connect your headphones to the amp directly and listen to the precious quality of the audio - the compare it with an IR, BT or other wireless headphone. I can argue against that quality.

No doubt there is some loss of audio quality with wireless, but for quality listening, I wouldn't be using a phone and ear/headphones to begin with.
 
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No doubt there is some loss of audio quality with wireless, but for quality listening, I wouldn't be using a phone and ear/headphones to begin with.

And why not? I travel a lot and l like having my music collection on my phone. I bring my Shures along and enjoy listening to my music. Isn't that the point of a good smart phone? That it is a great all in one device? The iPhone's internal DAC and therefore the resulting sound quality is actually quite good.

And so far no nead for freakin' adapters. Just plug in the headphones into your phone, iPad, MBP or any other devices with no worries. Even your toaster might have a 3.5 audio jack.
 
Hmmm, really? :p

Last time I looked, many, if not most quality Earphones for the mobile devices come with a L-shape connector. My last 2 surely had one. :rolleyes:

And you know, there are 3.5 mm L-shape adapters available? Why is that so? Leads to your next question:

You asked why people would use an L-shape connector in a pocket in the first place? Ok, let me help you out: it uses less space and puts less strain on a connector in a tight pocket.

And yes, they will rotate a bit. Even in a pocket. Why do they rotate? During movement and therefore when force is applied. Force which would otherwise result in a bend or strain.

One doesn't like the L-shape connector? Simply use a adapter or extension. Of course -unlike lighting- without an apple tax and therefore cheap.

And no, *some might wonder* when your connector swivels a few degrees clock or anticlockwise, your sound will not start to have crackles or distortions :p

Sorry no, that's not how it is in reality.
 
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