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This is stupid. We have two rumours that don't go together. Getting rid of nice sounding headphones for bluetooth and Apple promoting lossless sound. To be clear, bluetooth is all about compression of sound. Sad Mac!
 
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I'm ok to lose the jack for:
  • Waterproofing
  • save space for other components
I'm not ok to lose the jack for:
  • Thinner phone.
You get all of those things. Do you really care more about Apple's motives than you do about their products? Besides, if you cared that little about thinness, why would you buy any mobile product by Apple? They always shoot for the thinnest portable product so you should already know their motives by know.
 
waterproof would be awesome, id sacrifice a headphone jack for it

Get rid of all wires. Water can still go in that lighting hole.

Totally happy with all those changes. Waterproofing would be huge.

What is the big deal about water proofing? Do you guys work in Sealab or something?


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I don't think the move (if any) is related to thinness or water proofing.
It's just an Apple 's move towards a single port design, like the MacBook.

Good or bad, we will see.
 
I don't think the move (if any) is related to thinness or water proofing.
It's just an Apple 's move towards a single port design, like the MacBook.
Except the Retina MacBook doesn't have a single port. It has two, and the second port is a single function 3.5mm audio jack.
 
Instead of making the iphone thinner, how about making it so it doesn't break when you drop it? With a protective case my thin iPhone always becomes thick. So thinner doesn't impress me especially if I can't easily use my multiple Bose (not Beats) headphones.
 
So the same headphones I buy won't work on both my MacBook and my iPhone?

Lightning headphones that come with the iPhone 7 won't work on a MacBook you currently own now, without an adapter. However, they will likely work on the MacBook refresh following the iPhone 7 release, after Apple replaces the single function 3.5mm audio jack with a multifunction Lightning port. Just like your new Lightning accessories wouldn't work on your iPhone 4S after the 5 came out without an adapter, but they would work on everything updated afterward.
 
If thinness is all it's about these days, why don't they get rid of the battery and the screen, too?
Who needs a battery when you have wireless charging. Some capacitors will do. And the screen is really only helpful to those underevolved few of us who rely primarily on their visual sense for data collection. Let Siri handle that with a bug in the ear inread, she can describe to us what we'd see and the 1mm foldable phone is doable.

It's a shame what has become of Apple. Their products used to look good AND be the best to use.
 
"in an effort to make the device even thinner than the iPhone 6s"

The question is who is asking for this?

Simple answer. No body! Nobody ever have asked for any device to be thinner then its predecessor! It is part of the evolution. If technology companies would innovate based on what consumers wanted, you would be using a supper thick mobile phone with a month battery life that makes and receives calls. As it happens, with every thinner iPhone or iPad, most people find it hard to go back to the thicker one.

No body asked for Mac computers to be thinner either. But they will continue to become thinner. So will iPhone, and I like it that way.

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Most people are uncomfortable with changes. But changes will happen and it takes time for some people to embrace changes.
 
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Except that unlike those other things, which effectively were already on their way out

CD's were already old, and had USB devices, which were standard that could do all that a CD could do, but much faster. It was fairly easy to mvoe away from CDs

Point and Shoot Cameras still exist today :p. but yeah, with Smartphone Camera's becoming fairly good, the need for most people to have a dedicated point and shoot camera doesn't exist. but Apple didn't fundamentally change anyhting there. Smartphone cameras took over because they still produced exactly the same thing the cameras did. standard images that could be opened and used in any image program.

Flash still lives :p And overwhelmingly, ti was HTML5 that will kill it.

Netbooks killed themselves. They were slow, buggy, and generally cheap POS's.

the difference with all these, and the 3.5 MM jack, is there isn't something that does it better. There's not something out there that will do it cheaper. There's nothing on the market that has come along and become a standard to replace the 3.5mm jack. Apple getting rid of it now, would mean that the billions of 3.5mm based earphones that have sold in the last few decades, are completely incompatible with your new phone

Have hundreds of dollars in headphone equipment? Tough luck, you can't use them with your iPhone anymore (unless you buy an adapter for 79.99 f course!)

Or buy all new audio equipment that uses lightning ports or bluetooth. both introduce a lot of complexity towards headphones. The magic of headphones is the simplicity. They can range from super audiophile devices with their own built in Amps, to simple speakers attached to two dumb wires. It doesn't matter, As long as you use that 3.5mm audio jack, you have easy access to analogue audio.

Are you seriously keen on being in the situation that you would have to throw away every single headphones and buy all new ones just because a plug changed? Or hvaing to remember to bring an adapter with you just to listen to music? Or remember to charge your bluetooth devices before you leave as well?

think different.
 
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Is it really that hard for Apple to listen to it's customers and actually give MORE battery life? Not the same or less battery life just to accommodate a thinner phone?[/QUOTE]
Apple have no reason to think that they are not listening to their customers. Increasing sales numbers year on year tell them all they want to know. Whilst I may not like it, I am but one person among millions and even of the many others that may also disagree with any bad decisions they might make, (yes - even fanboys), they will still go out and purchase the phones convincing themselves that it’s better.

Sales numbers are pretty much the only metric big conglomerates listen to.
 
I love the outrage here, but you all know deep down that when you pick an iPhone 7 up you'll fall in love with it.
 
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Simple answer. No body! Nobody ever have asked for any device to be thinner then its predecessor! It is part of the evolution. If technology companies would innovate based on what consumers wanted, you would be using a supper thick mobile phone with a month battery life that makes and receives calls. As it happens, with every thinner iPhone or iPad, most people find it hard to go back to the thicker one.

No body asked for Mac computers to be thinner either. But they will continue to become thinner. So will iPhone, and I like it that way.

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Most people are uncomfortable with changes. But changes will happen and it takes time for some people to embrace changes.

Way to completely and deliberately miss the point in favour of Apple as usual. There is a point where a partuclar metric becomes about right and moving away from it introduces problems in other areas, be that ergonomics, usability, practicality, reduction in performance of another metric etc. etc.
There comes a point where a small TV is too small. After a while regarless of how sharp and many the pixles are you just physically can’t see it.
There comes a point where a big TV is too big. You can’t see and thus concentrate on the whole screen at once.
There comes a point where a fast car is too fast. Touching the throttle may become a hazard, maybe they haven’t got the technology to make the chassis strong enough to reflect the increased velocities now capable.

There comes a point where a thin phone is too thin. It becomes uncomfortale to hold, battery life suffers, problems with heat dissipation etc. etc.
The device thickness is not why people don’t want to go back. Sheesh, what a crock, and that bit about being uncomfortable with change what a crappy overused cliche. You show them where it’s better and they’ll be all for it.
 
Conceptually, if everyone would adopt ONE wireless charging standard, pads would pop up everywhere (think of how it is with wifi now). Eventually, it would get to a point where you could confidently leave home for a trip and not have to lug along the brick and cord because you would have faith that the hotel where you are staying or the airport where you have the long layover or the restaurant where you'll get a bite of food, etc will have a charging pad that works with your phone. It might take a long time to get to that point, but the strength of Apple iDevice sales volume could speed it up once Apple adopts a standard OR implements a proprietary standard that somewhat presses the rest of the world to adapt... or pay up for 2 pads at all those locations.
Funny thing is when I am in all of those places, it is probably the time I like to use my phone, not staring at it lying on a charging mat!
 
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The difference is that Lightning is proprietary and inferior in almost every aspect to USB-C.
No amount of bickering over everything else is going to get you far if you don't confront that.
 
While I would like a 3.5mm, if the headphones could also be charged wireless, I would never look back at headphones.

On a side note, if wireless charging is included, I would hope it's true wireless like cota, and not like Qi. Crossing my fingers!
 
What are you talking about? Electronics (including Bluetooth) aren't even disallowed during take-off and landing anymore. Even before that Bluetooth was allowed (just not during takeoff and landing).

Directly from the horse's mouth:

https://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?cid=TW189&newsId=15254

Relevant quote:

"You can also continue to use short-range Bluetooth accessories, like wireless keyboards."

Note the word "continue".

But, regardless... Bluetooth is 100% allowed on flights at all times in the US.
Try using bluetooth on flights outside of North America and see how many allow you to use bluetooth
 
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Wireless or contact charging is what I need and expect
Do you realize that you can't use your phone while it's "wirelessly charging"? It has to be laying or docked on a base thats plugged into a wall anyway. As soon as you pick it up, it stops charging. Not a feature that helps in any way at all. Plugging my phone in and using it as needed is a much better option.
 
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The question is who is asking for this? Thinner phone means thinner battery and about the same battery life we've been getting lately.

My thoughts exactly though I'm sure they'd be skewered by everyone if any of their phones got bigger or Samsungs were noticably thinner. Nice show, but I really think the phones are thin enough already. Unless they get to the thinness of a stiff piece of cardboard, they're too small to hold comfortably for me, but still not light enough to gently grip.
 
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In another thread, the audiophiles were griping about losing the jack. If I want to go for pure audiophile sound, I am going to do it in my quiet house with true audiophile gear.

If I am going to take real pictures, I will use my DSLR.

Yet, the iphone is the most popular camera in the world. Do you see what I am doing here?
 
Before people panic over Apple's obsession with thinness, realize removing the 3.5mm jack would save some internal space regardless of how thin the iPhone 7 will be. That means that the iPhone 7 could have the same thickness as the 6 while having a larger battery due to internal space saved.

Two components would be removed by this move, the relatively large 3.5mm jack module and the DAC (digital to analog converter), which would now be integrated in headphones rather than inside your phone. The DAC is one of the largest component on the PCB right now, I believe only the SoC, NAND and LTE modem are larger.

Personally, I don't think the iPhone 7 should be thinner than the 6, but I would still appreciate if the 3.5mm jack got removed.

On top of the saved internal space, moving to Lightning provides certain benefits:
  • Possibility of using a DAC that's better than the one in the iPhone in high-end headphones.
  • Less degradation due to the transmission through an analog cable. Also less likely to hear a hiss when moving the jack due to dust etc.
  • Possibility of headphones recharging your phone or vice-versa. Particularly useful for docks and soundboxes that both charge your phone and play music using a single cable.
  • Possibility of sending additional data from your headphones to your phone. Stuff like battery level in noise-cancelling headphones. Or increased reliability and features of headphone remotes.
Edit: Scratch that about the DAC removal part. As some have pointed, you still need it to use internal speakers. Apple may choose a lower-quality internal DAC that's significantly smaller though, since you don't need a good DAC just for speakers.

You can't have more battery just because you remove the 3.5 jack module. The phone would have to be thicker to have a bigger battery.
And as you pointed out the DAC will be there even without the 3.5 connector so the only goal would be making the device thinner, again.
Lighting headset are already available so everything you said can be done with iPhone 6s.
I don't see any advantage expect for the ability to make the phone thinner, if we can call that an advantage. We are getting to the point where iPhone will be too thin to be handled comfortably without a case and I wouldn't say no to USB-C in the future, but the connector is actually thicker than lighting so they'll have to stop with their obsession for thickness.
Phones and tablets ought to be lighter, not thinner. They should work on the weight instead of making them too thin to hold
 



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Apple's iPhone 7 may feature wireless charging and a thinner waterproof body with no headphone jack, according to a new report from Fast Company that is in line with previous iPhone 7 rumors from the Asian supply chain.

Citing a source with "knowledge of the company's plans," Fast Company says the iPhone 7 will not include a headphone jack in an effort to make the device even thinner than the iPhone 6s. The device will also "very likely" be waterproof and support some form of wireless charging.

Apple is said to be working with Cirrus Logic to adapt the audio chipset in the iPhone to work with the Lightning port. With no 3.5mm headphone jack, the Lightning port, which is currently used for charging, will also be used to transmit sound to wired headphones. The chipset may also include new noise-canceling technology to remove background noise during music playback and phone calls.

According to Fast Company's source, Apple may not ship Lightning-connected EarPods alongside the iPhone 7, instead opting to sell noise-canceling Lightning-connected headphones separately under its Beats brand. It is not clear if that means the iPhone 7 will come with no EarPods or if Apple will ship standard EarPods with some kind of adapter.


While Fast Company's source sounds sure of the removal of the headphone jack, there is a caveat about the potential inclusion of wireless charging technology and waterproofing. Apple is said to be working on these technologies at the current time, but Fast Company warns that the features could be pulled ahead of when the iPhone 7 goes into production.

Wireless charging is a feature that has been long rumored for potential inclusion in the iPhone and it's certainly technology that Apple has been exploring for many years, based on patents and earlier iPhone and Apple Watch rumors. A waterproof iPhone 7 body made from a new non-aluminum composite material is a rumor that first surfaced a few months ago. Further rumors have suggested the new material will also allow Apple to do away with the prominent antenna bands that were included on the iPhone 6s.

The removal of the headphone jack was first reported by Japanese site Mac Otakara and has since been backed up by a supply chain rumor, but Apple has been laying the groundwork for the elimination of the jack for several months. In 2014, the company introduced a new MFi program to allow third-party manufacturers to develop headphones that connect to iOS devices over Lightning, paving the way for Lightning-equipped headphones like the Philips Fidelio M2L.

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Mark Sullivan, who penned today's rumor, has a bit of a mixed track record in the pieces he's written for Fast Company and VentureBeat. His sources accurately predicted some iPhone 6 features like the Qualcomm MDM9825 LTE chip, but he also reported that Apple was working with Swatch to develop the Apple Watch, a rumor that turned out to be untrue.

Apple's iPhone 7 and 7 Plus are expected to be released in September of 2016. Along with the above-mentioned rumored features, the device will also include an upgraded A-series processor and it could include features like an improved camera. Other rumors specific to the iPhone 7 Plus have suggested it could include a 256GB storage option, a 3,100 mAh battery, and 3GB RAM.

Article Link: iPhone 7 May Feature Thinner, Waterproof Body With No Headphone Jack and Wireless Charging

I like all the features. Whatever it takes for Apple to convince me to make me want to upgrade from the iPhone 6 Plus to an iPhone 7 Plus. Right now I am not feeling spending $1000 US dollars to buy the iPhone 6s Plus. Purchasing the main generation phone every 2 years is best.
 
I was hoping the rumours about the home button being somehow integrated into the screen would happen with the iPhone 7, it really holding back any serious redesign of the phone now and making it look a bit bulky with the large bezels.
 
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