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Enough with the thiness! How about they focus on battery life. With smartphones becoming more and more powerful the battery life suffers. Apple needs to be focuses on battery size and life instead of trying to lose weight.
 
I don't plan on buying wired headphones anymore, Bluetooth has just been too convenient since I bought wireless headphones. So, I don't really mind if they get rid of the headphone jack (being selfish, I don't personally need it anymore).

On the other hand, I really can't see why anyone should switch to lightning port headphones. You are buying headphones that, at least without an adapter, can be used by no other devices. Headphones were always REALLY versatile because most used the 3.5mm.

So, I would advise everyone to not buy stupid lightning connector headphones, just get wireless. I know quality is degraded somewhat, but if you really care that much about the quality you probably weren't using 3.5 anyway.

The answer is not to switch to a stupid proprietary connector. Just get wireless. Why, Apple, would we want to buy expensive headphones just to use your one gadget. It's really not cool. Just go wireless, people. Or, if you really support 3.5, switch phone brands.
Apple have neither stated that the 3.5 is gone, or that they will replace with them with a lighting headphone alternative.

Apple want us wireless, the solution they provide out of the box will be wireless. And of course BT headphones etc will continue to improve in quality and latency reduced. DACs in the headphones, rather than in the phone, give the potential for better sound quality also, given time and development.

I'd buy 'lightning headphones' if provided by a third-party supplier for their advantages however - voltage and data passthrough - controls on headphones/cables, digital displays with track info, latest text message - there is a lot of potential here. But I don't see Apple taking that route as they will clearly phase out all ports and mechanical switches from the iPhone as soon as technically feasible. This is their opportunity to lose a cable, not change one.
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Enough with the thiness! How about they focus on battery life. With smartphones becoming more and more powerful the battery life suffers. Apple needs to be focuses on battery size and life instead of trying to lose weight.
Apple are focussed on battery life. and weight. and thinness. and every aspect of design and user experience. It's not one or another, it's all aspects in balance. Battery life is not just about battery capacity. More efficient components, improvements in iOS are all just as important. A bigger battery is no more the only solution to battery life than a bigger internal hard drive is the only solution to storage.

The 3.5, if dropped, will not just be about device thickness/weight. Think outside the box a little.
 
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Lol - I'm sure including a pair of BT headphones with each phone sold will save no money at all, nor will the dropping of a 2cent component. What they gain is potential increased water resistance, more room for battery and the potential for more evolved headphones and better audio quality.

Plenty of reasons.
 
Here's how it goes...

Rumors: many complain and say they'll never buy an Apple product again.

Launch... many complain and proclaim disappointment and "fail".

3 Months later... iPhone sells at record numbers and Samsung announces their version of the same.

2 years later... everything people complained about 2 years prior they now accept as the "norm" and claim Apple stole the idea from someone else.

This is how it works... accept it. :D

And somewhere between launch and the three month mark their comments regarding the headphone jack are deleted and "iPhone 7 128GB Space Gray" is added to their sig :rolleyes:
 
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Ive must have nightmares at night......

Must make iPhone thinner must make iPhone thinner must make iPhone thinner..

They are waaayyy too obsessed with thinness for no reason or gain.

Their is no real reason what so ever to remove the headphone port apart from for Apple to make even more profit, people should really realise this, a set standard used for years and years and Apple want to change it when no one has been asking for it to be changed. In fact I remember devices that ditched the traditional headphone jack and provided adapters and they never did too well.
Sony also manage VERY VERY well to make their devices fully watertight with both fully exposed USB AND headphone ports so that is no reason either.

Is it really that hard for Apple to listen to it's customers and actually give MORE battery life? Not the same or less battery life just to accommodate a thinner phone?

The trouble with your whole argument is that you are making a very big assumption - namely that the sole reason Apple would ditch the 3.5mm jack is to make the phone thinner.

A switch to lightning would actually have multiple benefits:

- it would allow higher quality digital audio.
- it may or may not make the phone easier to waterproof
- it would enable a thinner device

If Apple did go down this route, it will far more likely be because they have weighed up the pros and cons, and decided the pros outweigh the cons.

Nor do I believe it will be driven by profit, for several reasons:

1. Any new iPhone will include earphones anyway.
2. If people want to use existing third party headphones, there will undoubtedly be third party adapter they can buy.
3. Even if people do buy Apple adapters, its difficult to imagine that being anything other than the smallest drop in Apple's bottom line.
4. For every lost sale because people wanted a new phone with the 3.5mm jack, Apple would need to sell a shedload of adapters.

My wife had read something about this on Facebook the other day, and mentioned something about how Apple were about to screw everyone over - seeing as people don't actually have to buy an iPhone, I don't see how - and yet that's the impression presumably a lot of people are now under.
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Lol - I'm sure including a pair of BT headphones with each phone sold will save no money at all, nor will the dropping of a 2cent component. What they gain is potential increased water resistance, more room for battery and the potential for more evolved headphones and better audio quality.

Plenty of reasons.

Exactly.

I think its more about people's obsession with Apple's apparent obsession with thinness, than it is about Apple's obsession with thinness.
 
potential for more evolved headphones and better audio quality.

A switch to lightning would actually have multiple benefits:

- it would allow higher quality digital audio.

Absolutely false. The existing headphone connection is not and will never be a limitation to the audio quality, and the existing Lightning port already outputs a digital stream if you want to connect your own outboard DAC.
 
Enough with the thiness! How about they focus on battery life. With smartphones becoming more and more powerful the battery life suffers. Apple needs to be focuses on battery size and life instead of trying to lose weight.

Battery life has either increased or stayed the same with every iPhone iteration, and is now approximately double that of when iPhone first launched.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_iOS_devices
 
Except the Retina MacBook doesn't have a single port. It has two, and the second port is a single function 3.5mm audio jack.
True, but in a notebook that doesn't really count as a port. Even Apple on its website advertise the MacBook as a single port notebook. Go check yourself in the Design section.
 

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Apple have neither stated that the 3.5 is gone, or that they will replace with them with a lighting headphone alternative.

Apple want us wireless, the solution they provide out of the box will be wireless. And of course BT headphones etc will continue to improve in quality and latency reduced. DACs in the headphones, rather than in the phone, give the potential for better sound quality also, given time and development.

I'd buy 'lightning headphones' if provided by a third-party supplier for their advantages however - voltage and data passthrough - controls on headphones/cables, digital displays with track info, latest text message - there is a lot of potential here. But I don't see Apple taking that route as they will clearly phase out all ports and mechanical switches from the iPhone as soon as technically feasible. This is their opportunity to lose a cable, not change one.

Okay, so Apple has not stated the 3.5 is gone, so I shouldn't opine about this, but then you state that "the solution they provide out of the box will be wireless." At least my contention has a rumor to back it up, but there has not been even a rumor that Apple will provide a wireless solution for the 3.5 jack being gone.

Do you really think Apple is going to include free Bluetooth headphones or something with a new iPhone? I hope they do, of course, but I don't really see that happening. Maybe the current headphones with a lightning connector.

Like I said, I'm ready for going totally wireless. I was just suggesting that people should use this opportunity not to buy headphones that are limited to one device, but instead to just go wireless. Which I think is a good thing. I don't like 3.5.
 
No, it makes a lot of sense.

The flaw in your position is that you assume EVERYONE is just like you; i.e. wanting greater battery life, with zero consequences as a result. However, everybody is not just like you. People have different needs.

In reality, most people understand that nothing comes for free or with zero design consequences, that is, much greater phone weight for two day or more battery life.

For those that need longer battery life, people with heavy travel needs for example, third party manufacturers (and now Apple) have options to address that. With the consequence of greater weight (and bulk).

Offering greater weight/bulk longer life battery options for the few whose needs require longer battery life (at extra cost) makes a lot more sense than imposing adverse design consequences on the many who are fine with a one day battery.

I agree with the generic statement of your post. People do have different needs.

However, what we have here is the tactic "I create a problem in order to sell you the solution afterwards".
What I mean is based on the following 2 facts (regarding - at the very least - the last 2 versions of iPhone):
1. Nobody asked for an even thinner iPhone
2. Everyone would love a longer battery life (even people that can live with the current one)
 
Water proof is great, I love that idea, but I'm not so sure about it being thinner. I think my iPhone 6 plus is too thin. I don't mean just from a bending phone perspective but rather how it feels in your hand. I think having a phone with some depth makes it more holdable (if that makes sense)
 
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I want a thinner phone. I'd give up another hour of battery life if it was paper thin. I think most would agree that would be a sweet trade off. I don't think the only ones who'd care wouldn't buy an iPhone anyway.
 
Still not sure about this one. Why include the 3.5mm headphone jack on the Retina MacBook and then drop it from the iPhone so quickly after? Especially since the only other jack on the MacBook is the USB-C connector.

rMB 2 is coming out this year as well. Actually, we'll see new laptops well before the iPhone 7, so we'll see if they come with a lightning port.
 
Absolutely false. The existing headphone connection is not and will never be a limitation to the audio quality, and the existing Lightning port already outputs a digital stream if you want to connect your own outboard DAC.

No need to ditch the 3.5mm jack for this as it's is already supported.

OK - maybe that wasn't the correct terminology, but from some stuff I have read, there does seem to be some suggestion of benefits, e.g. from here:

http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/would-i...to-remove-the-headphone-jack-on-the-iphone-7/

"What are the benefits? Well, not only are you getting a direct digital connection, but the headphones can draw juice from your device to power components in the headphone, which could include an internal DAC (digital-to-analog converter) and amplifier that bypass the internal DAC of the iPhone and/or active noise-cancellation circuitry."
 
If this rumor turns out to be true, Apple is heading in completely different direction than the rest of the smartphone manufactures. This might work, but they could face a cheaper, universal and probably more practical competition. At the CES USB C played already a major role as new universal interface and even cheap Android smartphones will probably pick it up this year. If this really becomes mainstream, we could also see the first USB C headphones (with or without included high end DAC). And even Bluetooth headphones will probably pick up the interface for charging.

So in the future we could use the same cable for audio and charging of our phones and headphones (right now you need an extra USB 2.0 cable to charge Apples own Beats Studio). Adapters would be only needed for a relatively short transition phase and that's it. I would really like Apple to embrace USB C for all their products. It's really not that much bigger than Lightning, which seems to be its only advantage (besides licensing fees for Apple and that's probably the reason, why this scenario won't happen):


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I agree with the generic statement of your post. People do have different needs.

However, what we have here is the tactic "I create a problem in order to sell you the solution afterwards".
What I mean is based on the following 2 facts (regarding - at the very least - the last 2 versions of iPhone):
1. Nobody asked for an even thinner iPhone
2. Everyone would love a longer battery life (even people that can live with the current one)
Those aren't facts. These are facts:
1. I asked for a thinner iPhone.
2. I would love a longer battery life ONLY if it could be achieved without adding size or weight to the iPhone. Otherwise a thinner iPhone with the same battery life is okay with me.
 
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OK - maybe that wasn't the correct terminology, but from some stuff I have read, there does seem to be some suggestion of benefits, e.g. from here:

http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/would-i...to-remove-the-headphone-jack-on-the-iphone-7/

"What are the benefits? Well, not only are you getting a direct digital connection, but the headphones can draw juice from your device to power components in the headphone, which could include an internal DAC (digital-to-analog converter) and amplifier that bypass the internal DAC of the iPhone and/or active noise-cancellation circuitry."
It already does that.
 
My view is probably that I would love better battery, but it is rarely an issue for me - my phone (a 5S) gets through the day and I charge it at night. Assuming the batter in the 7 is going to be better than the battery in a 5S, then i can't see battery life being a problem for me.

Design wise, I think if they can get the iPhone into the design of the iPod touch it will almost be the endgame. (Although obviously there is always something around the corner, but it would be difficult to imagine many more improvements in design once it gets to that point, with the no antenna bands, and I guess if possible no protruding camera.
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It already does that.

OK - so why are so many media outlets citing this as a benefit of lightning over the 3.5mm jack?
 
I agree with the generic statement of your post. People do have different needs.

However, what we have here is the tactic "I create a problem in order to sell you the solution afterwards".
What I mean is based on the following 2 facts (regarding - at the very least - the last 2 versions of iPhone):
1. Nobody asked for an even thinner iPhone
2. Everyone would love a longer battery life (even people that can live with the current one)

Many are confused about Apple's iPhone goal and thinness. It is about reducing weight, not absolute thinness. Consistent with that goal, is specing a battery capacity that will serve the needs of the many, rather than the few. It's about decent user experience, making design choices (all of which have consequences) that satisfy a large range of customer needs.
 
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I had better be able to use the headphones of my choice... whether that be traditional wired, bluetooth, or whatever. I would also like to continue to be able to play my music from my phone through a stereo, my car's aux input, or a PA system. This would be an absolute stupid move by Apple.
 
Ive must have nightmares at night......

Must make iPhone thinner must make iPhone thinner must make iPhone thinner..

They are waaayyy too obsessed with thinness for no reason or gain.

Their is no real reason what so ever to remove the headphone port apart from for Apple to make even more profit, people should really realise this, a set standard used for years and years and Apple want to change it when no one has been asking for it to be changed. In fact I remember devices that ditched the traditional headphone jack and provided adapters and they never did too well.
Sony also manage VERY VERY well to make their devices fully watertight with both fully exposed USB AND headphone ports so that is no reason either.

Is it really that hard for Apple to listen to it's customers and actually give MORE battery life? Not the same or less battery life just to accommodate a thinner phone?

As a shareholder, I am concerned about this decision - should it be true.
 
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OK - so why are so many media outlets citing this as a benefit of lightning over the 3.5mm jack?
It's one of the advantages of the digital output through the Lightning port but it already does it and doesn't require the elimination of the 3.5mm jack.

These current Lightning connected headphones have their own DAC and amps. The Sony has a rechargeable battery because it includes multiple connections to allow it to work across a wide range of products but the Philips headphones are powered from the Lightning port as they only work with iOS devices.

http://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/headband-headphones/mdr-1adac
http://www.philips.co.uk/c-p/M2L_00/fidelio-fidelio-headphones-with-lightning-connector
 
"in an effort to make the device even thinner than the iPhone 6s"

The question is who is asking for this? Thinner phone means thinner battery and about the same battery life we've been getting lately.

Nobody. But Apple never listened to customers. As a famous quote by Jobs goes, customers don't know what they want.
 
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