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Of course they can get things wrong. But iPhone isn't just anything to Apple it's everything. Apple is not going to get rid of the headphone jack without having some idea of the impact to iPhone sales. This isn't a "we're going to do it and assume everyone will just put up with it" kind of thing. Apple stock has lost like $200B in value over the past few months mostly due to concerns about iPhone sales. If Apple has data that suggests removing the headphone jack will either make people not upgrade or make them go Android it's not happening IMO. My guess though is the data they have shows most people listen to music primarily on their phone and with the headphones that came in the box or are using wireless ones. And audiophiles won't factor into this decision.

They might have data...but they don't have a crystal ball. Mistakes can be made. Because of the fact that their stock has lost value and iPhone sales have stalled they might feel that they need to take some risks. They could be thinking, "hey, Steve took risks before and it worked out for us, let's hope our users are used to this and maybe they will not complain too much". Perhaps they are right, and I'll be the only one looking for another phone when the 7 is released. When the iPhone came out the CEO of BlackBerry ruled the world and he thought they had nothing to worry about...until recently, Samsung was selling phones like there was no tomorrow...things can change in a hurry in the mobile phone market.
 
Will be interesting change. Hope lightening connector on iPhone 7 is made sturdier than current iphones because it can break sooner due to over-usage of earbud/headphone insertion/taking out along with power/battery charging cable. That lightening plug has set/define life span and in iphone will be used lot more than normal.
 
I'm going to guess they induct into the actual ear pod driver (the speaker element itself) to pump the charge. i mean you already have a finely tuned coil of wire in there to make sound might as well use it to charge itself as well. :cool:
 
If the rumour is true, the losers are those that have a nice pair of headphones already. If Apple throws in a small adapter to still allow you to use existing 'phones, it's all good.
 
Forward? Not only are they falling back on the antiquated notion of proprietary connectors, but it's a connector that already seems to be completely obsolete!
 
We're sorry, but current gas pumps are obsolete. From now own our cars will only work with our new propriety pump.

But we'll include a free adapter on every new car sold, so you can go to whatever old pump you want with zero hassle....
But please, don't slow don't with the entitlement whining.
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Yep Samsung are true innovators unlike Apple.

Rofl.

Omg. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! =)
 
But we'll include a free adapter on every new car sold, so you can go to whatever old pump you want with zero hassle....
But please, don't slow don't with the entitlement whining.
FREE adapter? Lol! Did Apple include a free dock adapter with the iPhone 5? Did they include a free USB type-A adapter with the MacBook Retina?

Oh sure, i'm SO entitled for wanting my headphones to work with more than one thing I own, as it has always been.
 
FREE adapter? Lol! Did Apple include a free dock adapter with the iPhone 5? Did they include a free USB type-A adapter with the MacBook Retina?

Oh sure, i'm SO entitled for wanting my headphones to work with more than one thing I own, as it has always been.

Agree to disagree? *shrug*
This is definitely their bread & butter product.
It's obviously still just a rumor, but IF they do this there has to be a "sweetener" to prevent backlash.
Wireless charging would do it.
A free bluetooth headset would do it.
Actually... a free adapter is the LEAST and the CHEAPEST option.
I'm quite confident it will be included.
Not everyone had a dock.
Not everyone has a bunch of peripherals.
EVERYONE has headphones.
I'm not sure there's a "previous time" you can compare this to with any accuracy...
 
I suscribe Dagless reply. Too many adapters and dongles, this future is not appealing

OK, then how about this. You don't want to use adapters so that means you don't care how big the phone is. So, instead of an adapter, how about something you can really use -- a larger battery.

What if Apple offers a 3.5mm port integrated into this?

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Oh, come on! One more whining ... You did it when they planned to remove the grandpa DVD Drive: http://www.cnet.com/news/apples-plan-to-wipe-out-disc-drives-is-nearly-complete/

Now it's time to look forward and be a grown-up.;)

I still don't like using an external optical drive.

I'm not looking forward to buying and managing what will probably be $100 of cables for our family. Nonetheless, I will probably still find myself without one when I need it. Grown up or not.
 
Agree to disagree? *shrug*
This is definitely their bread & butter product.
It's obviously still just a rumor, but IF they do this there has to be a "sweetener" to prevent backlash.
Wireless charging would do it.
A free bluetooth headset would do it.
Actually... a free adapter is the LEAST and the CHEAPEST option.
I'm quite confident it will be included.
Not everyone had a dock.
Not everyone has a bunch of peripherals.
EVERYONE has headphones.
I'm not sure there's a "previous time" you can compare this to with any accuracy...
I don't think the adapter will be free. Everyone who buys an iPhone will have EarPods that come with it. Only those who want to use other headphones (or other audio device that needs a 3.5mm socket) will be looking at adapters.

Those who have many audio devices that require a 3.5mm socket may wish to consider whether they want to carry one adapter around, or have multiple adapters. This is a subset of a subset of iPhone users.

It's their choice whether to buy one adapter or multiple. And they could also choose to abandon Apple for another platform. How easy this is to do may depend on where and how their music collection is stored. Probably Apple will lose a statistically small number of users over this, but not enough to matter. Not enough to justify "Apple is doomed."
 
Your Mac outputs 24-bit audio via a 3.5mm mini plug just fine. It can be done in a phone just as easily.

No. A Mac or iPhone might contain a 24-bit audio DAC, but the noise level inside a Mac or iPhone is high enough that only around 16 bits of that (best case) are above the noise floor generated by all that high-performance digital circuitry, radios and etc. So, although your Mac has a 24-bit spec, it most likely doesn't really output anywhere near a full 24 bits of audio levels in any form that can be measured by state-of-the-art audio test equipment. Dedicated external audio converters can do better (because they don't have to do dozens of other things at high performance levels generating electrical noise).
 
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Inductive charging? Would be nice.


Nothing wrong with the Model T....... why update cars?

We're sorry, but current gas pumps are obsolete. From now own our cars will only work with our new propriety pump.


But we'll include a free adapter on every new car sold, so you can go to whatever old pump you want with zero hassle....
But please, don't slow don't with the entitlement whining.
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Rofl.

Omg. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! =)

lol. The propriety pump will wirelessly pump gas into your car, however you will lose some fuel (quality) due to it being transferred wirelessly. However you may buy an adapter for the pump for $29.99 if you want to pump like you use to.

Who cares about losing fuel, I won't have to stick the pump in the fuel filler any more...INNOVATION!
 
No. A Mac or iPhone might contain a 24-bit audio DAC, but the noise level inside a Mac or iPhone is high enough that only around 16 bits of that (best case) are above the noise floor generated by all that high-performance digital circuitry, radios and etc. So, although your Mac has a 24-bit spec, it most likely doesn't really output anywhere near a full 24 bits of audio levels in any form that can be measured by state-of-the-art audio test equipment. Dedicated external audio converters can do better (because they don't have to do dozens of other things at high performance levels generating electrical noise).
I don't think you really understand how digital sampling works. You refer to it almost in the same way one might analogue recordings.

Just seen the Beeb have weighed in this morning: on the whole they seem to agree that the 3.5mm plug is on its way out... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35253398
 
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If it was tech that was better than wired there would be nothing to complain about. It's not like people are terrified of changes, there are serious concerns about this;
-Another battery level to manage. Large headphones currently last about 4-5 hours, how long do you expect smaller earphones to last?
-Audio quality decreases
-Audio delay is introduced making it unusable for video watching or games.

I am using PowerBeats 2 at the moment. It's quite possible there is something wrong with my ears because I can't really tell much of a difference when it comes to sound quality. So am fine with that. The battery usually last long enough for my kind of usage (workout, run, etc. Usually around 1-2 hours at a time) I would not say PowerBeats 2 is an ideal solution because it still connects both ear-peaces with a wire but seriously..... not having to have wires hanging and tangling is well worth it for me. Now something like the Dash would be ideal for me.

I do understand that people who invested on expensive equipment that relays on 3.5 jack are frustrated but as I said before, when it comes to today's technology, nothing is guarantee to play well with tomorrows technology. Things are going to change, and many of us are not going to like it. Weather or not the changes are necessary or the time is right, remains to be a subject of discussion and kind of subjective if you ask me.

I'll just drop this here for anyone interested in the petition for 3.5mm headphone jack. 227K+ signatured, need total 250,000.

https://action.sumofus.org/a/iphone-headphone-jack/

Ignorance is a bliss!
 
seriously do not like these rumors. iPhone 7 doesn't need to be thinner - honestly, it needs better battery life and better software. I guess this may not be an issue for most, but I have so many damn things to charge that I never moved into wireless headphones.

None of this wireless is truly wireless anyway when you have to tether every damn device or peripheral that you own to an electrical outlet for portions of the day. This is even a bigger issue for travel heavy users where charging is sometimes a challenge and dead batteries are prevalent.

I am very ingrained in the Apple/mac eco-system, but I also have enough money to ditch it if all this proprietary stuff becomes even more cumbersome. Interoperability is important whether Apple believes so or not.
 
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OK, then how about this. You don't want to use adapters so that means you don't care how big the phone is. So, instead of an adapter, how about something you can really use -- a larger battery.

What if Apple offers a 3.5mm port integrated into this?

applebatterycase_big.jpg

I think a battery pack with 3.5mm headphone jack would be a likely Apple "solution". I'd rather have better battery and a 3.5mm jack built in though, not an add on for an addition $100. Plus look at that hump! Imagine it with a 3.5mm bump on the bottom! That thing is not attractive.

I'm not sure why being dongle/adapter averse translates to not caring about overall phone size. Removing the 3.5mm jack, while retaining the Lightning port, means a difference in millimeters.
 
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Except android will likely ultimately follow.
Maybe. Android has multiple hardware partners who all kinda do their own thing. Look at how Sony implements a fingerprint scanner into the Z5, or where LG places a volume rocker on the G4. Any attempt Google makes to establish standards in Android phones seems to occur more in the software than in the hardware. If Android phones were to get rid of the headphone jack they'd need an alternative port and products to utilize that alternative port. The nightmare part is if each hardware partner develops its own proprietary headphone jack replacement! I'm not sure Google+partners will move to wireless as the only way to connect headphones - not right now at least.
 
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