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I for one accepts more feature to be included in the more expensive phone.

We pay $100 more for the larger phone folks. $100 for just larger screen is not worth it. I want more powerful CPU/GPU AND better camera on plus version Apple.

Make that premium worth it Apple.
I agree paying $100 more just for a bigger screen size is ridiculous.They need more than that to justify the price. I just don't understand why people are not getting the memo
 



KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo has issued a research note obtained by MacRumors that predicts two 5.5-inch versions of the "iPhone 7 Plus" are in development, one with a single iSight rear-facing camera and another boasting a dual-camera design.

The rumored iPhone 7 Plus model with a dual-lens camera system would take advantage of imaging algorithms that Apple acquired through its purchase of Israeli camera technology company LinX Imaging last year.

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iPhone 7 mockup with dual-lens camera system (Image: Computer Bild)

LinX technology offers several improvements the iPhone 7 Plus could benefit from, including multiple sensors for a smaller size, possibly eliminating the need for a protruding camera lens. The lenses would also have better sensitivity to light and greatly improved image quality in low light.

Specifically, Kuo cites the LinX Imaging algorithm for its unique ability to achieve high-end dual-camera applications such as optical zoom simulation while sidestepping the traditional bottlenecks associated with compact camera module (CCM) assembly.

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To that end, Kuo expects a 2-3x optical zoom function to feature in Apple's iPhone 7 Plus. However, owing to supply chain constraints on dual-camera modules, the KGI analyst expects the larger handset to come in single-camera and dual-camera versions.

Apple is well known for headlining improvements to the camera technology in its iPhones and showcasing their photography capabilities as a market-leading feature.

Even so, major improvements to camera technology have typically come in "S" release years, therefore it remains to be seen whether Apple chooses to include such improvements in this or the next generation of its flagship devices.

Article Link: iPhone 7 Plus Likely to Have Dual-Lens Camera Based on LinX Technology
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KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo has issued a research note obtained by MacRumors that predicts two 5.5-inch versions of the "iPhone 7 Plus" are in development, one with a single iSight rear-facing camera and another boasting a dual-camera design.

The rumored iPhone 7 Plus model with a dual-lens camera system would take advantage of imaging algorithms that Apple acquired through its purchase of Israeli camera technology company LinX Imaging last year.

iPhone-7-Dual-Camera-800x450.jpg

iPhone 7 mockup with dual-lens camera system (Image: Computer Bild)

LinX technology offers several improvements the iPhone 7 Plus could benefit from, including multiple sensors for a smaller size, possibly eliminating the need for a protruding camera lens. The lenses would also have better sensitivity to light and greatly improved image quality in low light.

Specifically, Kuo cites the LinX Imaging algorithm for its unique ability to achieve high-end dual-camera applications such as optical zoom simulation while sidestepping the traditional bottlenecks associated with compact camera module (CCM) assembly.

linx_cameras.jpg

To that end, Kuo expects a 2-3x optical zoom function to feature in Apple's iPhone 7 Plus. However, owing to supply chain constraints on dual-camera modules, the KGI analyst expects the larger handset to come in single-camera and dual-camera versions.

Apple is well known for headlining improvements to the camera technology in its iPhones and showcasing their photography capabilities as a market-leading feature.

Even so, major improvements to camera technology have typically come in "S" release years, therefore it remains to be seen whether Apple chooses to include such improvements in this or the next generation of its flagship devices.

Article Link: iPhone 7 Plus Likely to Have Dual-Lens Camera Based on LinX Technology
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If this does turn out to be true and is limited to the plus model only.

Is anyone willing to riot with me ?
I do not like the Plus size models and it is uncomfortable to carry in my pocket. I wish Apple would update the cameras and any of their other update to all their models.
 
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I do not like the Plus size models and it is uncomfortable to carry in my pocket. I wish Apple would update the cameras and any of their other update to all their models.

I wish apple would release an iphone 7+ thats is a little wider and a little taller than the regular iphone 6/6s is now.
If they make the screen edge to edge, get rid of the mechinical homebutton/touch id(3d touch/forcetouch) and integrate ambient light sensor and distance sensor in the speaker grill, they would be able to do this.

An iphone 7+ that is 0,5 mm wider and 1cm taller than a reg. Iphone 6s is doable and could convince a lot of people to take the 7+ istead of the regular 7.

in this scenario a regular 7 will still feature a mechanical homebutton/touchid for the traditional apple users that can' t handle changes in designs very well( the people that still think iphone 4/s is the nicest design)
 
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Maybe in the future holding an iPad Mini to take a picture wouldn't look so stupid. I remember a time when people looked like complete idiots taking pictures with their cellphones not a proper camera(2002-2004).

Nah, it'll always look stupid.
 
I love my iPhones a lot, but if I were to buy only things that are PERFECT that I have no negative criticism to report on then I could live in a much smaller place than this one.

Also, if my regular criticism of iPhones on here makes me a troll, then how do you define trolls?
You seem to have a very awkward understanding of that word where you put me on the same level to people who yell "APPLE SUCKS!@$%"$" and then run away, preferably repeating this with many dupe accounts.
I try my best to explain my point of view and often times I'll talk about things way beyond face value, which granted is something that any company, not just Apple, would prefer you to look at their products. Well most at least I assume.
That doesn't mean Apple doesn't do anything better than others and all my reasons for shopping Apple products can be reduced down to investment into the eco-system, but they do keep taking away more and more reasons that really set them apart from all the other tech companies once (and partially still do).

Surely you have a very good explanation for your impression I'm nothing more than a troll or Apple hater, right?
If you do, please reply, because I'm genuinely curious as to how my efforts to stay reasonably factual seem to go unnoticed for some people. I'd like to improve on that in future so I get my points across to more people, whether they then agree or don't is another topic entirely.

Cheers and I'm anticipating your feedback! :)

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I can not see the problem, if apple released e.g in iphone 7 a super camera modul.
then comes you the right pro camera are better. this is normal,

but the current Smartphone have good camera modul better as 2008 dslr camera
 
I can not see the problem, if apple released e.g in iphone 7 a super camera modul.
then comes you the right pro camera are better. this is normal, [...]
I think we'll both agree that iPhone's camera is pretty nice, but still has a lot of potential to get better, just take a look at some Lumia phones or such.
There's still a lot of room for growth.
This is the digital point and shoot quality maturing all over again. (the principle of maturing, not what a sensor so small can eventually deliver compared to a bigger one)

[...] but the current Smartphone have good camera modul better as 2008 dslr camera
That's simply not true. If operated properly, and even on full-auto mode probably any 2008 DSLR is going to beat an iPhone.
Especially with proper glass, hell what am I saying... even with kit glass.

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Sure.
But the 4.7'' model is the one with more market share. It's a shame you have to pick up the bigger model if you want all the features.
I mean, if the dual sensor is an important feature they have to find a way to put it on the 4.7'' model. Plus has a bigger battery and that's ok, there is more real estate on the screen so you can have better landscape support and that's great, but they can't add a better camera on that model only because there is more room.

Market share means nothing with physical limits. There will always be more room in a 5.5" phone than a 4.7" rather the market share is 50/50 or 1/99.
 
Market share means nothing with physical limits. There will always be more room in a 5.5" phone than a 4.7" rather the market share is 50/50 or 1/99.

My point is that they have to find a technology that fits into the 4.7'' model because that is the model bought by most of their customer.
It is ok to have something slightly better on the Plus since there is more room, but they can't have a premium feature only on the Plus and tell their customers "sorry the 4.7 model is too small to have a great camera module, buy the plus"
 
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My point is that they have to find a technology that fits into the 4.7'' model because that is the model bought by most of their customer.
It is ok to have something slightly better on the Plus since there is more room, but they can't have a premium feature only on the Plus and tell their customers "sorry the 4.7 model is too small to have a great camera module, buy the plus"

That's exactly what they're doing.

I also happen to disagree with your "because most people use this" statement. If you look at car companies, do you think it would be smart for them to include all the premium features in a Toyota Corolla, when they can have a premium price for the premium features that will be reserved for higher tiers?
 
KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo has issued a research note obtained by MacRumors that predicts

two 5.5-inch versions of the "iPhone 7 Plus" are in development,

one with a single iSight rear-facing camera and another boasting a dual-camera design.
I did a double take after reading the rumor of TWO iP7 Plus models under development.

Talk about unbelievable... those who follow Apple closely know how defensive they used to be whenever they heard the slightest dialog about creating a second smaller iPad before they caved in and created the mini.

Now this!
 
That's exactly what they're doing.

I also happen to disagree with your "because most people use this" statement. If you look at car companies, do you think it would be smart for them to include all the premium features in a Toyota Corolla, when they can have a premium price for the premium features that will be reserved for higher tiers?

iPhone 6s is a premium model, since you pay a premium price for it so I consider the 4.7 to be the premium model.
Their "budget" phone is the 5s
 
iPhone 6s is a premium model, since you pay a premium price for it so I consider the 4.7 to be the premium model.
Their "budget" phone is the 5s

If you're going by that logic then the 6s would not be the premium model, it would be the mid-tier item. The 5S is the budget verison, the 6s the mid-tier, and the 6s + the premium. That's exactly how it's set up. What's the issue?
 
My point is that they have to find a technology that fits into the 4.7'' model because that is the model bought by most of their customer.
It is ok to have something slightly better on the Plus since there is more room, but they can't have a premium feature only on the Plus and tell their customers "sorry the 4.7 model is too small to have a great camera module, buy the plus"

They can and are. It isn't a premium feature, it's just a feature that fits into a bigger phone and doesn't fit into a smaller phone. The Plus will always have features the smaller phone doesn't have. Especially camera related. Within a year or two, they can make smaller components that fit the 4.7" model. It's just how it is.
 
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I think we'll both agree that iPhone's camera is pretty nice, but still has a lot of potential to get better, just take a look at some Lumia phones or such.
There's still a lot of room for growth.
This is the digital point and shoot quality maturing all over again. (the principle of maturing, not what a sensor so small can eventually deliver compared to a bigger one)


That's simply not true. If operated properly, and even on full-auto mode probably any 2008 DSLR is going to beat an iPhone.
Especially with proper glass, hell what am I saying... even with kit glass.

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the best without fat lenses camera have??
I think samsung galaxy s7 edge (if release in this month)
 
the best without fat lenses camera have??
I think samsung galaxy s7 edge (if release in this month)
Maybe you'll want to define "fat lenses", but speaking of usually slimmer glass:
STM lenses or many prime lenses can easily beat whatever any phone is going to churn out.
This year or next year.

With prime lenses it's even better. They don't "zoom" to put it in layman's terms, so basically what a camera is limited to as well, and they have the best image quality out there. (provided the actual glass is good quality, but usually even cheaper primes hit the ball out of the park. e.g.: Canon 50mm f/1.8 M2 → pretty cheap for what it gets done and you'll be hard pressed to post-process anything that S7 is going to put out into something that could compare to that product)

Dude, I love my iPhone very much save for my now more and more common rage moments when the OS just isn't doing what it's supposed to do, however the camera is okayish, definitely great for being there when I need it and getting some proper quality Facebook pics and the like, but to begin comparing sensors this small to SLRs and the glass you get with them if you treat your gear well is just insanity.
Both products have their place, even in a photographer's life, I know because I am one, but it's not a game of competition, but one where both devices complement each other.
My iPhone's always handy and ready to go.
My EOS is there when I plan a shoot or need all-day performance and quality.
My iPhone has an app to geo-tag my EOS shots.
My EOS keeps shooting even the little snapshots when my iPhone's battery is dead.

Let's not force a role onto the iPhone it's just not going to fulfill.
For anyone who doesn't aspire to get DSLR-like image quality an iPhone is a great choice. No extra device needed and if you're not taking photos all the time a dedicated camera won't make much sense.
It's going to be a great companion, but just because you want a Ferrari for a casual ride doesn't mean your much improved VW Golf is going to get you the same experience.
More than decent and adequate? Yes, sure.
High-class performance? Don't lie to yourself! :)

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ok. here for iOS. please report the bugs to apple bug report site
https://bugreport.apple.com/
I use that site a lot and hence know how useless reporting to Apple usually is.
I have tickets that stood untouched for months, also the communication is not only slow but also very superficial.
Still, I do use the site and report most of my problems, but I never expect anything to come from this.
Ultimately it's a frustrating experience to report to them and see your tickets remain untouched for several minor releases of the software you're reporting for.

Glassed Silver:mac
 
A lot of 5.5" envy/hate here.

I used to think the Plus would be too massive, but I went from the 6 to the 6s Plus and I adapted to it in about a week. After that, I stopped feeling the negatives of the heavier weight and larger size - I handle it as naturally as I did the smaller iPhones. I love it. And now all smaller phones look too small to me.

Just because you opted for a smaller phone doesn't mean that all other options are terrible. But of course, that's human nature - bash the thing you didn't choose so that you feel better about your choice. That's true in all things - politics, tech, religion, movies, tv shows, music, sports... Doesn't it get tiring caring about what other people like?


I am looking forward to the iPhone 7s. I currently own an iPhone 5 and the idea of a larger screen and dual camera are very much in my favour.
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I will never own a 5.5 inch phone.


Never say Never
 
Never say Never

I'm saying never. I have a 4.7" phone that I am considering getting rid of because it's too big. The larger screen size is nice, but the form factor is not really for me. I suppose that if they ever offered a 5.5" phone that was not any larger than my 6S I might consider it. But I think that is very unlikely.

Let me just put it this way. I will never own a phone the size of the current 6S Plus.
 
:) I respect your opinion on the matter. Everyone has their own idea as to what is right for them. I still have my flip phone and can't imagine going that small again. But, I do miss the ole' dinosaur. It was my very first phone and has sentimental value. I currently own an iPhone 5 and am waiting for the 7+ , 7S or 7S+ to arrive. Not sure which one I want yet. I don't carry my phone in a back pocket but, in my purse so the size won't be an issue for me. I am also a photographer so the dual camera will come in handy. To choices! Enjoy your week. :)
 
I'm saying never. I have a 4.7" phone that I am considering getting rid of because it's too big. The larger screen size is nice, but the form factor is not really for me. I suppose that if they ever offered a 5.5" phone that was not any larger than my 6S I might consider it. But I think that is very unlikely.

Let me just put it this way. I will never own a phone the size of the current 6S Plus.

You still shouldn't say never. Once your eyes get a bit older, that 5.5" screen might be worth the tradeoff of an overly bulky phone.

Also, the galaxy S7 edge has a 5.5" screen in a size comparable to the 4.7" iphone. If you get a chance, handle it a bit in the store. Much as I hate android, hardware-wise, the iPhones feel like stone age tech next to the galaxies.
 
Well, then you'll just have to settle for an inferior camera. There are advantages to owning a big phone (and no, it's not a massive brick).

Apple left out OIS on the 4.7" because it just wouldn't fit inside the body. This will likely be the same.

Im thinking, somewhere down the road, we'll see fitbit features (health/cardio/etc) merge with GPS tech and Siri -> All of that "BluToothed" to your headset and google glasses or simlar eyewear- and maybe vehicles to begin adding smart HUDs that connect to your bluetooth enabled device, displaying visual "soft" reminders, pick up meds and dog food, etc. just waiting for auto manufacturers to begin building into thier software, vehicle limiters that say, your "speeding" applying deceleration algorthims per DOT obiding laws, or "you'v been drinking, locating nearest police station, locking doors, calling 911, "now making your appointment with AA for tomorrow!" :)

Honestly, though, the size of a phone, has become a prejudice to ppl now? well, I guess thats "human" nature, right? like guys with full size pickup trucks!
 
Im thinking, somewhere down the road, we'll see fitbit features (health/cardio/etc) merge with GPS tech and Siri -> All of that "BluToothed" to your headset and google glasses or simlar eyewear- and maybe vehicles to begin adding smart HUDs that connect to your bluetooth enabled device, displaying visual "soft" reminders, pick up meds and dog food, etc. just waiting for auto manufacturers to begin building into thier software, vehicle limiters that say, your "speeding" applying deceleration algorthims per DOT obiding laws, or "you'v been drinking, locating nearest police station, locking doors, calling 911, "now making your appointment with AA for tomorrow!" :)

I think that is to be assumed, and has already started to happen
 
The majority (given that 4.7 inches is the most popular one) evidently don't want to carry a massive brick for a phone. Did it perhaps ever occur to you that it's not a question of money?
Or 5" size on new iPhone It'll nice too and also they stop adding the S to the next phone just go like 7 8 9 etc. cause the S thing is just an updated to hardware or software.
 
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