taking photos at the US Open is not real world? Sure it's in the hands of pro but I doubt camera app has advance features that a pro can take advantage
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taking photos at the US Open is not real world? Sure it's in the hands of pro but I doubt camera app has advance features that a pro can take advantage
One of my favorites from the selection. All of those expensive DSLRs and an iPhone 7+ hiding behind them all.
Yup, they all captured the players face and trophy, and with the iPhone, you even get the other photographers in the shot
The point being, these pics are being taken by pro photographers from the same vantage points as other DSLRs pro shooters. So Phil says one thing, and Tim shares pics shot by professional shooters at major sporting events....from press vantage points.
Hence people are debating DSLR v iPhone. Tim needs to share some pics which are not from professional shooters....in major sporting events...as per Phil's statement...
Thanks for that, I'd not heard of L16, the concept and results are stunning:
https://www.light.co/technology
Agreed, when Apple aquired LinK cameras it was for their multiple sensors on one module but also the algorithms they created to replicate the effects from a larger lens. You can certainly see that at some point the quality will transect between DSLR and small model smartphone cameras.
Similarly to CPU performance. As the smartphone CPU increases in power and can take the computation functions of the desktop, those functions are replicated onto a smartphone and the requirement for a desktop becomes less. Not obsolete but less reliance.
Tim, just grab an iPhone and take some shots outside. We will be more impressed. And not some other celebrities, just you
We don't need celebrities or professional photographers to markert the iPhone 7 camera.
These shots from major sporting events are the silliest we can relate to, as we will never get into the same shooting positions, and if we were to, we would be using a DSLR. How about some case scenarios an actual iPhone user would shoot ????
We don't need celebrities or professional photographers to markert the iPhone 7 camera.
These shots from major sporting events are the silliest we can relate to, as we will never get into the same shooting positions, and if we were to, we would be using a DSLR. How about some case scenarios an actual iPhone user would shoot ????
Seems like pot meet kettle thing with ad-homs being lobbed on a disagreed opinion.
Hurling insults at people to distract from your own hypocrisy? Weak.
You conveniently forget that you yourself said that someone can't say something is worse, better, or the same unless they did a side-by-side comparison at the same place and same time:
The only way to compare is to take photos of the same subject and the same time and do a side by side.
Then you stated:
Having a true optical x2 makes quite a difference and an advantage over every other smartphone camera out there.
I guess it's a double standard—if you disagree with someone then you force them to provide test results based on your standards ("proper" standards that you said were "fact"). Then you made a statement comparing an unreleased phone camera to "every other smartphone camera out there" and won't follow your own guidelines.
Your Wikipedia definition of digital zoom has absolutely nothing to do with this. No one was comparing digital vs. optical zoom. They were pointing out that if you expect others to provide comparison tests to post here then you need to follow the same standards that you defined.
Yes, just to think in 4 days time every social media platform will be showing iPhone 7 photos.
Patience my friend, patience.
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How many times. It's not a zoom lens. There is no optical zoom. It's two prime lenses that you can switch between. Any zooming would be digital. The lenses are very small prime lenses.
Tim, just grab an iPhone and take some shots outside. We will be more impressed. And not some other celebrities, just you
We don't need celebrities or professional photographers to markert the iPhone 7 camera.
These shots from major sporting events are the silliest we can relate to, as we will never get into the same shooting positions, and if we were to, we would be using a DSLR. How about some case scenarios an actual iPhone user would shoot ????
Have to agree. A missed opportunity for sure.
Yes huge missed opportunity despite a million people having the actual camera in their hands in 3 days time. Then the photos will be everywhere.
It's time for DSLRs to die.Apple and Samsung have clearly caught up with them except for very niche features
And apple even surpassed them. However, the niche features are what people care about when they pay thousands of dollars for a photo shoot.
Apple has been bringing esoteric terminology to the masses for years. First with "chamfered". Now with "bokeh".
It may be Apple have made a better camera than the last better camera in a phone but they have not yet managed to defy the laws of physics.
A lens on a smartphone (for now) is a million times away from a decent lens on a DSLR. It just is. It is too small. Period.
Background blur? Sure. But it's trickery and not optical. Be prepared for the onslaught of people using the term Bokeh on a daily basis.
I think the camera is fine for most people, but it's not magic or anything super spectacular that we haven't seen before. I mean Huawei beat apple to market with their P9 dual camera phone, which also takes nice pictures. Microsoft's 950 has a great camera (as did old nokia phones such as the 1020) and Samsung's flag ship models have seriously good cameras too. I think it's too early to call whether the camera rocks or not. Only after we start seeing reviews on how the camera actually performs in day to day situations can we know whether it's worth the money or not. Also I'm really looking forward to comparing photos taken with the 6s and 7 to see whether there's any real difference.
Let's be honest, you don't even need a DSLR to get pictures that looks miles better than any smartphone can produce, ever. Cameras like Sony RX-100 III/IV, Ricoh GR II, or Fuji X70 all are in super compact package and doing great job in all lightining conditions. When i bought one (x70), i don't even care about camera upgrade in any smartphone
This is exactly I have done. Bought compact 1" inch sensor Sony RX 100 IV with 4K video etc...and I have APSC Sony 6300.....Now I am done with Cameras in Mobiles for another few years!!!
Mobile cameras definitely improving but cannot replace digital cameras since the sensor is really small...
absolutely and categorically false. neither focal length nor aperture are dependant on crop factor. both are inherent properties of a lens design. an aperture being open diameter relative to the focal length.
crop factor is used as a relational tool, to help understand framing across sizes of capture medium (be it film or digital sensors).
*thus the apple 7 phone has a lens with actual focal length of ~4mm, and maximum aperture of f1.8;
*it may be quoted as having an equivalent focal length of 28mm.
*by this you can deduce a 7x crop factor. what its meant to convey is that it has the same angle of view as a 28mm lens on a body with a 24x36mm recording medium*
*what it really means is standing at the same location pointing at the same direction, that iphone and "normal camera" will record the same things in the frame.
(* i.e. "35mm camera" or "full frame sensor" or, in layman terms, standard camera everyone used since the 70s and 80s ...)
Why on Earth should we stop comparing them to DSLR's? This is exactly the attitude that hinders technological advancement. Cell phone cameras have come a long way since their debut. It is clearly only a matter of TIME until they can produce the quality of today's DSLR's. Don't ask me how and don't tell me it cannot be done because of the way how physics works. Sure it cannot be done within the current technological framework but it is only a matter of TIME.
We see this attitude over and over again in history. "Stop comparing X to Y, they are not even in the same league".
And history always proves that before you know it, X takes the upper hand over Y.
Phone cameras WILL not only equal but even OUTMATCH today's (!) DSLR's in the not too distant future. You should start getting comfortable with the thought.
Holding a gadget as large as a DSLR in, say, the year of 2056 in your hands with the sole purpose of recording what is in front of your eyes, will be just as ridiculous (even for the professional) as it is today to listen to music with one of these things:
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part 2: on blur, and "bokeh", and the dual-camera
*^those 2 words dont actually mean the same thing. but thats an even deeper discussion, sidelined for now
*strength of blur is generally thought of as a function of aperture (smaller f number = larger physical aperture = more blur).
**while this isnt incorrect per se, its incomplete, as "blur" carries dependencies on (1) focal length (2) sensor size (3) and subject distances.............. correctly pointed out by the gentle knight from Casterly Rock.
***nb: if one wishes to sound ultra-smart about it, one would start talking about the Circle of Confusion...
***nb: for the car dudes, think of this as the marriage between torque and horsepower; the smart car dudes will know the 2 concepts cannot be decoupled.
**you want to take photos that provide appearance of a strong defocused effect, using your smartphone with your tiny sensor and short focal length? easy: take a picture of something small, pull it away from the background, but close to your phone.
**you want to take photos of the same subjects, at the same distances, with a similar appearance of defocus as a fullframe camera with a 28mm lens? well, the best, you can get is that camera setup working at f1.8 * 7cf = f13.
***this does NOT mean the iphone has an f13 lens. it has a f1.8 lens. it means under the restriction of its (1) inherent focal length (2) inherent sensor size, and at the same (3) subject distances as the big camera, it provides a similar look as f13.
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ok, that wagon went a little too deep. so what of this secondary lens on the iphone camera? and why is it advertised as "good for portraits"?
it has a longer focal length.
so you'd have to stand further away from your girlfriend, to get her head the same size relative to the entire frame.
doesnt this mean worse blur?!??! .... well look at the bright side: (1) standing further away means there is less barrel distortion, and your girlfriend looks less like a clown (2) AND, for you geometry bros, a narrower angle of view means capturing less of the background.... a smaller portion of the background , stretching across the frame , lends to a less busy and softer background, which is why your subject pops out more.
TLDR: 2ndary lens makes portraits look better
*^those 2 words dont actually mean the same thing. but thats an even deeper discussion, sidelined for now
*strength of blur is generally thought of as a function of aperture (smaller f number = larger physical aperture = more blur).
**while this isnt incorrect per se, its incomplete, as "blur" carries dependencies on (1) focal length (2) sensor size (3) and subject distances.............. correctly pointed out by the gentle knight from Casterly Rock.
***nb: if one wishes to sound ultra-smart about it, one would start talking about the Circle of Confusion...
***nb: for the car dudes, think of this as the marriage between torque and horsepower; the smart car dudes will know the 2 concepts cannot be decoupled.
**you want to take photos that provide appearance of a strong defocused effect, using your smartphone with your tiny sensor and short focal length? easy: take a picture of something small, pull it away from the background, but close to your phone.
**you want to take photos of the same subjects, at the same distances, with a similar appearance of defocus as a fullframe camera with a 28mm lens? well, the best, you can get is that camera setup working at f1.8 * 7cf = f13.
***this does NOT mean the iphone has an f13 lens. it has a f1.8 lens. it means under the restriction of its (1) inherent focal length (2) inherent sensor size, and at the same (3) subject distances as the big camera, it provides a similar look as f13.
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ok, that wagon went a little too deep. so what of this secondary lens on the iphone camera? and why is it advertised as "good for portraits"?
it has a longer focal length.
so you'd have to stand further away from your girlfriend, to get her head the same size relative to the entire frame.
doesnt this mean worse blur?!??! .... well look at the bright side: (1) standing further away means there is less barrel distortion, and your girlfriend looks less like a clown (2) AND, for you geometry bros, a narrower angle of view means capturing less of the background.... a smaller portion of the background , stretching across the frame , lends to a less busy and softer background, which is why your subject pops out more.
TLDR: 2ndary lens makes portraits look better