iPhone 7 Remained World's Most Popular Smartphone Model in June Quarter

[nviz22]

All good points, but why are the Android OEM's even in this game when they don't make any money? To sell an OS designed for Google to pull data and sell ad's from? I am surprised it's gone on this long. Apple makes the bulk of the money on phones.

Some OEMs just don't have sensibility. HTC overpriced its HTC 11 by a lot. It's better to sell by volume than on maximizing margin if you don't market a product nor have a strong brand. HTC makes quality products but their brand diluted itself over time.

The other category also features strong performers that need to establish footholds into the States. Huawei is an example since AT&T will feature one of their flagships at some point in the future.

 

[44267547]

Personally, I hope it won't be.

Nothing like a bit of competition to make you try harder. Without competition all we'll see each year is a different shade of black being released.

This doesn't make any sense. You're saying you hope the iPhone 8 won't be successful, yet you see competition to make other manufacturers try harder. The iPhone is competition and without the success of the iPhone, that would that leave other phone manufacturers To have less competition Against the success of the iPhone.

 

[zapm]

That's pretty impressive that a two year old phone is outselling Samsung's newest phone . can't wait to pre order my I phone 8

Actually the iPhone 7 is coming up on it's one year anniversary and going on it's second year. Still impressive though even considering that the S8 and S8+ are already on Groupon for $200 off MSRP

 

[skinned66]

I like my 6S a lot. I'm not surprised the 6.75 is as popular as it is.

 

[cracksoup]

But Apple is still doomed.. right?

 

[DNichter]

Some OEMs just don't have sensibility. HTC overpriced its HTC 11 by a lot. It's better to sell by volume than on maximizing margin if you don't market a product nor have a strong brand. HTC makes quality products but their brand diluted itself over time.

The other category also features strong performers that need to establish footholds into the States. Huawei is an example since AT&T will feature one of their flagships at some point in the future.

Yea, I don't doubt the quality of some of these phones, it just seems like a never ending race to nowhere. Does Huawei run Android or their own OS? If so, I'd say they have an advantage right now when it comes to competition to Apple.

 

[raghu8912]

It's going to have a full screen display, OLED, 3D sensing front camera, 2-cell battery system, improved speakers, ProMotion, improved water resistance, wireless charging, and enhanced Siri... but its not enough for you, because clearly they're not working hard enough.

But the phone looks the same, may be they should change the shape to circular or add curved screen on the sides to check notifications, or add another screen on the back, or try moving front facing camera to the bottom of the phone, Apple should try all the gimmicks that other android phone manufacturers are trying.

 

[Zirel]

This is such a dumb write up. Half of the things you listed, like making a complete OS, developer tools, and having apps for a 15% market share, are not true. You failed to realize that they also make money from software and it’s growing rapidly. Developers being more comfortable and locked into an operating system development environment makes it more likely people choose iPhones because of the app quality.

Then the SoC, which is easily the best one on the market YoY, contributes to the quality of the device. It makes the phone feel fast and apps can take advantage of the annual speed increase which brings me back to the software lock-in.

And I hope you’re joking with the Ive copying comment.

They didn’t become the biggest company in the world by miscalculating their margins.

You didn’t get my post.

I’m saying that those things are hard, and that Apple should sell more devices, if people knew quality.

 

[mdelvecchio]

But but but the legacy headphone port! Techies on rumors sites said no buy!

 

[DeepIn2U]

Amazing! Not shocking cause of all the benefits the iP7 offers over iP6S.

Bout all dat, matte black, back baby!!

The big question is how Apple taps into that "Rest of Market" figure. I know that's mostly super cheap Android devices, but Apple has to see huge numbers like that and think "How can we get some of that action?" I know people say that Apple is the luxury sports car maker of the phone industry, and I think that's mostly true, but 300 million is a huge number and Apple's growth is slowing. Right now they're going for increasing margins with higher end devices. And that's a smart play. But what about when they have the mid and high-end completely saturated in five years? Will that be enough or will they want it all? I'm quite curious to find out.

I believe you'll begin to see two major things with the iPhone SE: no 256GB option and slightly reduced prices, a slight body redesign to keep inline styling with the 6S/7 or maybe the late 2017 iPhone. The reduced pricing will allow for volume sales - reduced revenue and gross margins slightly but will allow Apple to boost its level/stagnant services revenues!

iTunes and iCloud are the biggest revenue streams however books can be major within India even spoken word boooks in native Hindu and their other native langauges!!

ITunes U should have local placements with Universities in China and India as well - should be a major push there. This will also help sell Mac's as well.

 

[mdelvecchio]

Horrifying?

No. Not in the slightest. If you look past the Samsung, the top Chinese placements and even Apple, on unit sales charts you will see another label called 'other'. It is often overlooked but it is absolutely huge. It dwarfs everything else. That is Android OEM (plus Samsung, Oppo, Huawei etc) and includes swathes of a market where Apple doesn't even operate.

The next iPhone refresh will be a huge success I am sure (I happen to believe in the so called supercycle) but it will register as barely a blip on the Android OEM radar.

For that to change Apple would have to produce a new, far lower priced, handset. Something I don't see happening just yet.

Ironically, Apple will be facing it's fiercest competition (probably ever) from the likes of the Note 8, Mate 10 etc and, in the non premium flagship market, the Honor 9 is currently bringing in a lot of revenue for Huawei.

And then there are rumours that, for the first time ever, Huawei will face off with Apple on its own turf, offering the Mate 10 through a top US carrier.

In case you are wondering, this is the same tactic Huawei has used to successfully dethrone rivals in large parts of the world.

In spite of all that, Apple has a nice card to play: upgraders from its existing phones. If prices hit the sweet spot, there is little reason to believe users won't upgrade.

Nothing to horrify Android OEMs though.

Nothing horrifying except the lack of profits for a particular OEM, that is. Profit being the air corporations breathe and all.

 

[CarpalMac]

It's going to have a full screen display, OLED, 3D sensing front camera, 2-cell battery system, improved speakers, ProMotion, improved water resistance, wireless charging, and enhanced Siri... but its not enough for you, because clearly they're not working hard enough.

Great rant. Where though did I say that it wasn't good enough for me and that they are not working hard enough??

And how many of those things would it have had if the S8 didn't exist, which is my point.

This doesn't make any sense. You're saying you hope the iPhone 8 won't be successful, yet you see competition to make other manufacturers try harder. The iPhone is competition and without the success of the iPhone, that would that leave other phone manufacturers To have less competition Against the success of the iPhone.

What I was saying is that I hope it won't be as successful as the 7, which from these stats has clearly dominated the market. I don't want it to fail and didn't say that, I just hope things will become a bit closer matched.

 

[apolloa]

This version was the tock of the last iPhone generations. Hopefully, the iPhone 8 will be as successful as the iPhone 7 was.

No chance, not at 1100 and up it won't be!

 

[DNichter]

No chance, not at 1100 and up it won't be!

Easily. The 2017 iPhone, iPhone Plus, and iPhone Pro will easily outsell the 7. Likely through the June quarter 2018.

 

[newyorksole]

But but but the legacy headphone port! Techies on rumors sites said no buy!

Lmaoo exactly. Gotta love people. Same thing is happening now...

"No Touch ID?! Apple is a failure!"

"How could Face ID possible be secure! Apple didn't think this through!"

"$1,000?! Outrageous! They'll never sell."

Soo annoying.

 

[SeattleMoose]

Actually Apple sales are bad, for the work they have making them vs the units they sell

• Making a complete CPU from the ISA
• Making a complete OS, from the kernel to the last thing the user sees, including the browser engine that Samsung leeches
• Making the developer infrastructure (languages, compiler, IDE, frameworks like ARKit, etc.)
• Persuading developers to write for an OS with 15% marketshare
• Paying Jony Ive and his boys, and not simply copying Huawei

Compare to Samsung:

• Buy a CPU from Qualcomm or make a CPU out of ARM licensed cores
• Use Android from Google
• Leech Linux
• Leech Java
• Put a screen on it and that’s it

Apple is only lucrative because they have an excellent management of the parts in the middle (like stores, warranty, stock management, etc.)

The "pirate" business model always ends up failing. If you are always chasing someone else you never have the time to do anything unique on your own. Worse, everyone knows what you're doing and you are constantly on the verge of being sued for infringement. Apple is doing just fine.

 

[apolloa]

Easily. The 2017 iPhone, iPhone Plus, and iPhone Pro will easily outsell the 7. Likely through the June quarter 2018.

Perhaps you should read the comment I replied to and my actual reply before posting yourself, because that was NOT what was said...

 

[kdarling]

All good points, but why are the Android OEM's even in this game when they don't make any money?

Apple and Samsung together do average 90-95% of the total industry profits. That still leaves up to 10% (like four billion a year) for the other ones who are making money, including many smaller firms where even a million dollars is nice to get.

For example, Huawei makes $200 million per quarter, which is only 2% of the total industry profits, but is definitely not a loss, and adds up over a year.

At the same time, some major companies like LG, Sony and HTC do lose money making phones. For HTC, that's really bad news. On the other hand, LG and Sony don't seem to care, as they reportedly only make phones as demos of their technology that's available for sale.

 

[The Game 161]

still an amazing phone that is a fast as when it launched

 

[DeepIn2U]

But the phone looks the same, may be they should change the shape to circular or add curved screen on the sides to check notifications, or add another screen on the back, or try moving front facing camera to the bottom of the phone, Apple should try all the gimmicks that other android phone manufacturers are trying.

Nokia tried that when the norm was simply to have a phone. Today smartphones are not evolving much beyond a rectangular form factor due to data consumption of any form.

The "stick your phone into a goggle" appeal (LMAO iPhone read my mind and auto corrected with giggle vs goggle) is ridiculous. Yet we will see normal glasses with ability to have on lens projection in about 10yrs. I think the smart watch with headset will be the phone around that time and the glasses potentially being the display with other options.

For 9/2017 I think that new notification will be Apples attempt to change things up - that region being always on and will display information via the M co processor when the full screen is not required in attempts to further improve battery life. A possibility to off hand ALL notifications to the Apple Watch when phone is in sleep or screen is covered. The phone will retain those unread on the watch for sure but you'll see this soon enough.

 

[DNichter]

Perhaps you should read the comment I replied to and my actual reply before posting yourself, because that was NOT what was said...

I read it. Looks like you said the next iPhone won't be as successful because it will cost $1,100.
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Apple and Samsung together do average 90-95% of the total industry profits. That still leaves up to 10% (like four billion a year) for the other ones who are making money, including many smaller firms where even a million dollars is nice to get.

For example, Huawei makes $200 million per quarter, which is only 2% of the total industry profits, but is definitely not a loss, and adds up over a year.

At the same time, some major companies like LG, Sony and HTC do lose money making phones. For HTC, that's really bad news. On the other hand, LG and Sony don't seem to care, as they reportedly only make phones as demos of their technology that's available for sale.

Yea I think Huawei has a shot if they separate themselves from Android. The others, I am not sure why they continue to put out phones. I can't really tell the difference between them all.

 

[Eggtastic]

Its a beautiful phone that just works, I will give apple that. I am sad to see the matte black go (assuming with the wireless charging for the 8). I hope they can maybe matte the back glass and matte the metal around the edges of the phone for aesthetics and of course grip.

I contemplated the s8+ when it came out for something fresh and new. I did the back in 2010 when I went from the iPhone 4 (got stolen) to the s3. It was great for something new but over time gave me such problems.

My 6+ is still going strong, but I am looking forward to the 8. I just hope I can click fast enough when the pre-order window opens to lock in a fast delivery vs. waiting several weeks on back order.

 

[nviz22]

The iPhone 7/7+ are the best well rounded phones available.

7+ is one of the best, but I can't use the iPhone 7. It's too small and doesn't quite have all the stuff the Plus has with a 1080p display, dual cameras, etc.

Yea, I don't doubt the quality of some of these phones, it just seems like a never ending race to nowhere. Does Huawei run Android or their own OS? If so, I'd say they have an advantage right now when it comes to competition to Apple.

Huawei has its own Android skin. Though their best thing going for them is their own processors since they don't need to play by Qualcomm's terms. They also have a huge foothold in China, an area Apple is fighting for.

 

[catportal]

Actually Apple sales are bad, for the work they have making them vs the units they sell

• Making a complete CPU from the ISA
• Making a complete OS, from the kernel to the last thing the user sees, including the browser engine that Samsung leeches
• Making the developer infrastructure (languages, compiler, IDE, frameworks like ARKit, etc.)
• Persuading developers to write for an OS with 15% marketshare
• Paying Jony Ive and his boys, and not simply copying Huawei

Compare to Samsung:

• Buy a CPU from Qualcomm or make a CPU out of ARM licensed cores
• Use Android from Google
• Leech Linux
• Leech Java
• Put a screen on it and that’s it

Apple is only lucrative because they have an excellent management of the parts in the middle (like stores, warranty, stock management, etc.)

Nice misinformation dump.
Apple also licenses ARM ISA. They have their own micro arch. Samsung also licenses ARM ISA and has their own microarch. I'll agree that Apple has invested in other infrastructure, but that same infrastructure is used among their various product lines.

 

[efktd]

iPhone 7 is such a joy. Like the 2015 Macbook Pro. Best of it's generation.