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iPhone 7 Remained World's Most Popular Smartphone Model in June Quarter

Sure, Apple has the biggest market share, but who has the biggest profit share?

(just for you, @69Mustang ;))

Seriously, though, this just goes to show how silly it is to track any one number. Aggregate market share is typically discussed as a battle between Apple and Samsung, when really it's a battle between iOS and Android. Profit share shows that Apple isn't going anywhere soon and the Android players are hanging on by a string. This break out of high end numbers shows that Apple's market share isn't distributed up and down the chain, but that Apple still has volumes to drive an efficient supply chain and developers can depend on having access to customer willing to pay for things, even if there are less customers over all.
 
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Zirel said:
Actually Apple sales are bad, for the work they have making them vs the units they sell

  • Making a complete CPU from the ISA
  • Making a complete OS, from the kernel to the last thing the user sees, including the browser engine that Samsung leeches
  • Making the developer infrastructure (languages, compiler, IDE, frameworks like ARKit, etc.)
  • Persuading developers to write for an OS with 15% marketshare
  • Paying Jony Ive and his boys, and not simply copying Huawei
Compare to Samsung:

  • Buy a CPU from Qualcomm or make a CPU out of ARM licensed cores
  • Use Android from Google
  • Leech Linux
  • Leech Java
  • Put a screen on it and that’s it

Apple is only lucrative because they have an excellent management of the parts in the middle (like stores, warranty, stock management, etc.)
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I kept waiting to see the sarcasm indicator on your post.
 
Zirel said:
Actually Apple sales are bad, for the work they have making them vs the units they sell

  • Making a complete CPU from the ISA
  • Making a complete OS, from the kernel to the last thing the user sees, including the browser engine that Samsung leeches
  • Making the developer infrastructure (languages, compiler, IDE, frameworks like ARKit, etc.)
  • Persuading developers to write for an OS with 15% marketshare
  • Paying Jony Ive and his boys, and not simply copying Huawei
Compare to Samsung:

  • Buy a CPU from Qualcomm or make a CPU out of ARM licensed cores
  • Use Android from Google
  • Leech Linux
  • Leech Java
  • Put a screen on it and that’s it

Apple is only lucrative because they have an excellent management of the parts in the middle (like stores, warranty, stock management, etc.)
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Couldn't have said it better, this is what I have been thinking the whole time.

yanksfan114 said:
You failed to realize that they also make money from software and it’s growing rapidly.
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Please explain how Apple makes revenue directly from iOS?
 
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Not a big surprise. It's a fantastic phone especially the A1661 unlocked with the Qualcomm modem. I bought it brand new and unlocked from a seller on Craigslist and was pleasantly surprised that it was the unlocked Verizon version with support for nearly everything as well as the better modem. Normally I would have preferred the unlocked AT&T GSM version.
 
Zirel said:
Actually Apple sales are bad, for the work they have making them vs the units they sell

  • Making a complete CPU from the ISA
  • Making a complete OS, from the kernel to the last thing the user sees, including the browser engine that Samsung leeches
  • Making the developer infrastructure (languages, compiler, IDE, frameworks like ARKit, etc.)
  • Persuading developers to write for an OS with 15% marketshare
  • Paying Jony Ive and his boys, and not simply copying Huawei
Compare to Samsung:

  • Buy a CPU from Qualcomm or make a CPU out of ARM licensed cores
  • Use Android from Google
  • Leech Linux
  • Leech Java
  • Put a screen on it and that’s it

Apple is only lucrative because they have an excellent management of the parts in the middle (like stores, warranty, stock management, etc.)
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There'a bit of cherry picking going on here...

Uh, Apple doesn't make a complete CPU. Samsung makes it (or TMSC). Apple designed it, but there's a huge amount of effort that goes into running a fab. Similarly, displays. Memory. Specially formulated glass. Etc, etc.

iOS also "leeches" BSD Unix, and the CMU Mach Kernel.

It's a make or buy decision at each level. Apple has done a remarkably good job of figuring out where the can add value and where they can buy best-in-class parts-- sometimes even from companies the myopic MR view might call "the enemy".

One thing I found interesting when looking at Samsung's results: they have higher margins on their display and semiconductor business than they do on their mobile devices business. The accounting is complicated, but one might ask if Samsung makes more money selling parts to Apple than they do by assembling them into their own phones...
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spacemnspiff said:
Please explain how Apple makes revenue directly from iOS?
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App Store.
 
Zirel said:
  • Making a complete OS, from the kernel to the last thing the user sees, including the browser engine that Samsung leeches
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That isn't how it works. Open source software isn't "leeched" by anyone. The benefit is that since Apple, Samsung and many others are using the same code, the code matures a lot faster than if Apple was the only one. You should be thankful that Samsung and many others are "leeching" WebKit, because it makes Safari that much better.
 
My Iphone 7 plus was intended and purchased under a yearly trade in plan as a placeholder to get me to the iphone 8, now that we've seen alot of the phone given its size and new technologies i'm leaning toward keeping the 7plus another year and letting the iphone 8 mature and possibly come out with a plus model of it, I like the 7 plus so much and I got the 256gb version with alot of space to grow, that I'm not feeling that need to upgrade and i doubt the 7splus will hold enough for me to upgrade to it
 
Zirel said:
Actually Apple sales are bad, for the work they have making them vs the units they sell

  • Making a complete CPU from the ISA
  • Making a complete OS, from the kernel to the last thing the user sees, including the browser engine that Samsung leeches
  • Making the developer infrastructure (languages, compiler, IDE, frameworks like ARKit, etc.)
  • Persuading developers to write for an OS with 15% marketshare
  • Paying Jony Ive and his boys, and not simply copying Huawei
Compare to Samsung:

  • Buy a CPU from Qualcomm or make a CPU out of ARM licensed cores
  • Use Android from Google
  • Leech Linux
  • Leech Java
  • Put a screen on it and that’s it

Apple is only lucrative because they have an excellent management of the parts in the middle (like stores, warranty, stock management, etc.)
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Yet they make much much more profits from these sales reflecting that extra work they put into the phone. So when you combines these sales volume with the profitability - then it puts everything into focus.
 
Well I'm sure as hell happy with my red 7 Plus...I love it love it love it.

Never thought I'd say that about a phablet but there you go.

EDIT: Post #7,777. What a unique marker. Q would be proud.
 
DNichter said:
I read it. Looks like you said the next iPhone won't be as successful because it will cost $1,100.
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Yea I think Huawei has a shot if they separate themselves from Android. The others, I am not sure why they continue to put out phones. I can't really tell the difference between them all.
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The comment I replied stated the iPhone 8 will be as successful as the iPhone 7, I stated no it won't b cause of it's rumoured high price, I should have also added the rumoured low supply of it.
You then came along and proclaimed all three of the rumoured new iPhones will be more successful, well, yeah, of course three phones combined will be... the iPhone 8 will not.
 
Scarpad said:
My Iphone 7 plus was intended and purchased under a yearly trade in plan as a placeholder to get me to the iphone 8, now that we've seen alot of the phone given its size and new technologies i'm leaning toward keeping the 7plus another year and letting the iphone 8 mature and possibly come out with a plus model of it, I like the 7 plus so much and I got the 256gb version with alot of space to grow, that I'm not feeling that need to upgrade and i doubt the 7splus will hold enough for me to upgrade to it
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Amen. I'm right there w you
 
I'm pleased with the iPhone 7. I just don't like how they up the desktop hardware sync requirements for every other iPhone model.
 
spacemnspiff said:
I don't think you understood the question, the question was about revenue directly from iOS and not App store or iTunes?
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I think you misattributed the quote. That was my statement, not @yanksfan114 .

Of course, you're also misquoting @yanksfan114 who said that Apple makes money from "software", not specifically iOS.

And you're intentionally distorting how to attribute value... Or maybe you don't understand your own question... Developers want to sell apps to iOS users, the way most of them do so is through the App Store, Apple sees a 30% cut on all sales through the App Store and apps aren't sold for any other platform through the App Store, therefore iOS is directly driving App Store revenue.

Maybe another question will help explain why you can't easily separate the variables here: please explain how Apple makes revenue directly from iPhone hardware without including iOS.
 
filmantopia said:
It's going to have a full screen display, OLED, 3D sensing front camera, 2-cell battery system, improved speakers, ProMotion, improved water resistance, wireless charging, and enhanced Siri... but its not enough for you, because clearly they're not working hard enough.
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You do realise that everything that you mention its been in the market for years...
Its more like "finally apple is catching up to the rest" .
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Zirel said:
Actually Apple sales are bad, for the work they have making them vs the units they sell

  • Making a complete CPU from the ISA
  • Making a complete OS, from the kernel to the last thing the user sees, including the browser engine that Samsung leeches
  • Making the developer infrastructure (languages, compiler, IDE, frameworks like ARKit, etc.)
  • Persuading developers to write for an OS with 15% marketshare
  • Paying Jony Ive and his boys, and not simply copying Huawei
Compare to Samsung:

  • Buy a CPU from Qualcomm or make a CPU out of ARM licensed cores
  • Use Android from Google
  • Leech Linux
  • Leech Java
  • Put a screen on it and that’s it

Apple is only lucrative because they have an excellent management of the parts in the middle (like stores, warranty, stock management, etc.)
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Your post is making me feel ashamed to be called a apple user, it is that bad.
 
Popular for a reason. Consumers don't give a crap about an OLED screen. Or wireless charging. They want a phone that works
 
apolloa said:
The comment I replied stated the iPhone 8 will be as successful as the iPhone 7, I stated no it won't b cause of it's rumoured high price, I should have also added the rumoured low supply of it.
You then came along and proclaimed all three of the rumoured new iPhones will be more successful, well, yeah, of course three phones combined will be... the iPhone 8 will not.
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Ah I thought were comparing the iPhone 7 to the new iPhone. My bad then.
 
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Markoth said:
You should be thankful that Samsung and many others are "leeching" WebKit, because it makes Safari that much better.
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Chrome stopped using Webkit in 2013 and started using their own Blink rendering engine which is what many other browsers like Firefox, Opera, Samsung, etc. are based on now. Webkit is a buggy POS and scores the lowest on HTML5 validation test.

http://html5test.com/results/desktop.html
 
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