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I am currently having iPhone 6. For me the 6S was an easy skip and this 7 is as easy skip. I see no reason to upgrade. I am very happy that iPhone 6 is still a very, very good phone and it has everything I need.
 
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You can get improved audio quality by putting better DAC into iPhone. You can already buy lightning based headphone, you don't need remove 3.5mm jack.

And when you trying to replacing a standard port to proprietary port, you won't success. If Apple cannot get Android on board, then you will never see the day where lightning based headphone rule the market. What is the point for buying a headphone only work with iPhone? I would not buy.
 
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Wake up! You are not going to hear the difference analogue and digital on a busy commuter train! All these tests are done in a lab. I'm by no means daft, I'm just not buying Apple's marketing BS! It is not therefore the best thing ever, it's an utterly stupid idea!

Too bad there are already Lightning headphones out where you can use the standard 3.5mm cable or the Lightning cable and the Lightning cable sounds better.
 
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So essentially the iPhone 7 is what it was supposed to be. Apple hasn't made a big leap with phones since the introduction of the iPhone 4. Not counting putting a bigger screen.
Whoah!
I assume you're talking visually, since there are several other major features and improvements added since the iPhone 4 that you're also not counting:

TouchID
Apple Pay
3D Touch
12 MP camera
 
Well, if you are an audiophile then your iPhone would be filled with music imported from CD in a lossless format. 256 GB 7+ has enough space for about 30 days x 24 hours of CD quality music.

Not really. iPhone does not support a file system, so unless you are an audiophile happy with apple's lossless format, it's going to be your choice.
 
BS. Independent publications do not submit copy to companies for vetting prior to publication. Now some journalists might be "fearful" they'll be cut off from the VIP list if they are too harsh, but they don't let the manufacturer dictate the story as you suggest.

There are also some tech pundits that are just top-of-the-heap fanboys -- The iMore crowd, John Gruber, etc. But even these guys don't let Apple inspect their copy, though Apple likely has a good idea they are going to be positive even with the worst of it's products. I would agree the people in this group are not all that objective but to suggest they are dishonest -- that's their opinion was not derived independently -- is really uncalled for unless you have proof positive, which I don't think you do.

Funny you mention the imore crowd. They always seem left out when it comes to VIP status. Although they've really upped the koolaid bias along with dumbed down how to's in recent years so much that it's no longer worth reading. But then there's others like Jim Dalrymple or whoever who do get them so it's really not really a criteria of being a "journalist." I guess Apple doesn't like sites who spilled the beans in the past or has sources.
 
that dual camera feels somewhat redundant, i hope one day we'll have optical zoom in smartphone cameras.
but this is a good start for sure, i don't like the 28 mm fov that every smartphone has.
Honestly, I understand the convenience factor of having a cell phone camera. But as a keen photographer I prefer my camera as they take superior photographs. Granted I don't always travel with it, and hence the iPhone camera dilemma. But to me, sensor size is much more important, why have two lenses when you can have one big one, that can do what both are? Then worry about aperture and optical zooming (maybe up to 16x)
 
Too bad there are already Lightning headphones out where you can use the standard 3.5mm cable or the Lightning cable and the Lightning cable sounds better.

Yeah, which one ? Link that review.

Absolutely nothing to do with lightning cable, but the DAC that would be included . Same DAC, those headphones sound identical
 
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Too bad there are already Lightning headphones out where you can use the standard 3.5mm cable or the Lightning cable and the Lightning cable sounds better.

But you don't need remove 3.5mm jack.

The thing is though, you won't able to hear difference between 30 dollars lightning headphone with 30 dollar headphone using 3.5mm. You won't get better DAC on 30 dollar headphone.

You could get better audio quality when you have expensive headphone. Where better DAC is build into headphone, but unless you are audiophile, who is going to buy couple hundred dollars headphone?

Point is: removing 3.5mm headphone jack does by automatically mean you get better audio quality. And you can still get better audio quality when you including better DAC. If you love ok at ZTE Axon phone, it might provide better audio experience than iPhone 7, because it includes a AK4490 DAC.

Look at the article at Android Authority:

http://www.androidauthority.com/axon-phone-hi-fi-audio-626925/

So it is all about DAC. And you can achieve all of the objective of improving audio experience without removing headphone jack.
 
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With all of these comments aside, I don't see any reason to get a version 7 iPhone. Why? Its too big for me. I'm sure its great for every one else, but personally I would love the better camera and would not object to a faster processor, even if it is not required, in the SE case regardless of price. But, alas, I am being left behind by Apple. I can't wait for the infatuation of big phones to wear off, or people to become aware of how silly they look holding a 6 plus or 7 plus up to their ear to talk.
 
Still not sure if i should upgrade from the 6
Then wait until you can play with the iPhone 7 in a store or borrow one from your friends who upgraded.

It's too late now to get one sent to you on launch day, and if you're not sure you probably won't stand in line to find out. Give it a few weeks or even a couple of months. When you can walk in to a store and walk out with a new iPhone with little to no hassle, you can make the decision that's right for you.
 
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Good thing I haven't preordered yet, those scratches are concerning. I'll have to see it in person and decide whether it's worth it or not.

Ditto. The major thing that sold it for me was to have a jet black iPhone again. But if it's anything like the iPhone 5, deal breaker for me
 



The official launch of the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus is still three days away on September 16, but the first reviews of the new smartphones have started showing up online this morning. Some of the sites have been quietly testing out the new handsets for around a week, and general impressions have been positive, despite the lack of a radical design overhaul compared to last year's iPhone 6s and 6s Plus.

The Verge offered perhaps the most balanced perspective on the iPhone 7 series, which it called "terrific phones" but also "incomplete", given that the wider color gamut, and the real potential of the Taptic Engine and the iPhone 7 Plus's dual-lens camera - which rely on software updates - won't be realized at launch.


The Verge said non-adopters "won't actually be missing out on much" if they don't get an iPhone 7, which it described as a "transitional step to a vision of the future" and a "foundation" for how the next generation of iPhones will integrate into our lives.
Meanwhile, Mashable offered a more enthusiastic line of thinking for early adopters, calling both devices "worthwhile upgrades" that "inch us ever-closer to the completely sealed, moving-parts-free ideal of a smartphone slab". The review notes that both phones are "fast" and the stereo speakers "really shine" when it comes to gaming, while battery life was impressive, with the larger handset closing in on two days with moderate use.

It also put the phones through some underwater ordeals, the result of which was "pretty awesome" and offered peace of mind for those prone to dropping their phones in the toilet, but it didn't recommend going for a swim with the devices.
apple-iphone7-800x625.jpg

TechCrunch
got hold of a glossy black iPhone 7 and remarked that it definitely showed scratches and abrasions after a weeks' use. It also mentioned that the home button's Taptic Engine feedback makes it feel as if the whole bottom half of the phone is clicking, yet it called the implementation a "flawless transition" from the physical home button that prepares users for when the button disappears entirely. It said Apple's new flagship devices are "fast, capable, and functional" and "probably the best portable cameras ever made".
It won't be long before Apple customers begin to receive the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus handsets themselves, as the September 16 launch date approaches. Images have emerged online of iPhone 7 shipment batches ready to leave factories in Zhengzhou, China, while some customers have already received shipping confirmation.

Other reviews: Business Insider, BuzzFeed, The Wall Street Journal, Daring Fireball, Wired, Ars Technica, The Loop.

Article Link: iPhone 7 Reviews: 'Terrific Phones' That Offer a 'Foundation' for the Future, But Not an Essential Upgrade
The Verge led by Nilay are not a valued reference for anything but amusement. Like driving by a car accident.
 
Wake up! You are not going to hear the difference analogue and digital on a busy commuter train! All these tests are done in a lab. I'm by no means daft, I'm just not buying Apple's marketing BS! It is not therefore the best thing ever, it's an utterly stupid idea!

What.... Are you seirous? Have you listened to good quality music via a portable DAC in a busy environment? Did you also miss the part about ACTIVE NOISE CANCELLING POWERED VIA LIGHTNING so that NOISY COMMUTER TRAIN wouldnt be so GOD DAMN NOISY and you would be able to hear all of that GREAT QUALITY?

I hope the EMPHASIS makes it easier for you to UNDERSTAND the reason for CHANGE to the decrepit crappy analog 3.5mm jack

_Any_ decent phone (and any tablet, or laptop) will restrict how much power it sucks out of the charger to exactly the right amount. And the charger will also restrict how much it delivers. Just like a 60 Watt light bulb uses 60 Watt, and not 100 Watt or 500 Watt.

You would think, yet we have android phones that shouldnt be charged with this or that or that adapter. Apple does a good job regulating power coming in via internal IC but when you use a ****** cable and/or adapter cant help it. Just look at the Oneplus 3 vs other manufacturers nonsense and all that BS about "this quickcharge or that quickcharge".

Od course they want ass kissing Apple. They could make bunch of money selling lightning headphone!

The point is Apple removing an OPEN port with lightning port that aren't compatible with any other port. This attempts will undoubtedly failed like FireWire and Thunderbolt port.

You really are either daft as hell or just trolling. Firewire was SUPER SUCCESSFUL look at the Audio / Video industry. As for thunderbolt, USB-C adopted thunderbolt 3, wow so useless and it failed yet Thunderbolt was adopted very well, so well that PC manufacturers started including it on motherboards and then Intel said "lets make USB-C thunderbolt compatible" and look, powerful "netbook" like laptops are coming out with the ability to plug into an External GPU Enclosure and harness that power. Oh but wait, the port is a failure so all these companies putting money into it are stupid, right?

Well, if you are an audiophile then your iPhone would be filled with music imported from CD in a lossless format. 256 GB 7+ has enough space for about 30 days x 24 hours of CD quality music.

Thank you :D. I know plenty of people that have portable DACs, actually because of a few co workers, I bought the lightning Dragonfly and absolutely love how portable it is and how my Sennheiser's sound when I use them. So far im liking my Dash because of convenience and no wires :D
 
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You can get improved audio quality by putting better DAC into iPhone. You can already buy lightning based headphone, you don't need remove 3.5mm jack.

And when you trying to replacing a standard port to proprietary port, you won't success. If Apple cannot get Android on board, then you will never see the day where lightning based headphone rule the market. What is the point for buying a headphone only work with iPhone? I would not buy.

Whats the point of buying USB-C headphones then? Android manufacturers are slowly getting rid of the headphone jack, yet no one had a fit when motorola did it...
 
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Honestly, I understand the convenience factor of having a cell phone camera. But as a keen photographer I prefer my camera as they take superior photographs. Granted I don't always travel with it, and hence the iPhone camera dilemma. But to me, sensor size is much more important, why have two lenses when you can have one big one, that can do what both are? Then worry about aperture and optical zooming (maybe up to 16x)
i agree, but then you sure know that you can't reproduce a narrow FOV simply by cropping your pictures (and i don't factor quality or anything else here, it's simply a matter of perspective). in this sense, having 2 small lenses is better than a big one.
what i wanted to say is that the 28mm in 4:3, for my personal taste, is an ugly focal length. it's neither true 24mm nor 35mm and i can't produce successful results with it (i'm sure some can).
 
I assume you're talking visually, since there are several other major features and improvements added since the iPhone 4 that you're also not counting:

TouchID
Apple Pay
3D Touch
12 MP camera

You're missing perhaps the most important improvement- the move away from the stupid glass back that became the world's most scratched surface. I know it was a popular phone overall, but the iPhone 4 is what drove me to Android. I absolutely loathed the thing. Oddly enough the iPhone 7 is probably going to make me switch back to Apple again.
 
Probably the most underwhelming iPhone upgrade ever, a year after another of the most underwhelming ever. None of which is to slam the 7 - it'll be an even better version of what was already one of the best smartphones on the market. Faster, better photos, better battery life, water resistant - those are all good things. But to 6s owners - and even 6 or SE owners - it's little improvements at the margins of what's already a very robust and mature device.
 
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The camera has me excited about 7+. I loved the camera on my Nokia 1020. Waiting for someone to match it but with a year into 6s+, I have a hard time thinking it's a must have.

Yeah, when you look past the camera, it's a hard sell for those of us who don't upgrade every year. Even if I owned a 5s, I would probably wait given what's coming next year with a redesigned iPhone 8.
 
But you don't need remove 3.5mm jack.

The thing is though, you won't able to hear difference between 30 dollars lightning headphone with 30 dollar headphone using 3.5mm. You won't get better DAC on 30 dollar headphone.

You could get better audio quality when you have expensive headphone. Where better DAC is build into headphone, but unless you are audiophile, who is going to buy couple hundred dollars headphone?

Point is: removing 3.5mm headphone jack does by automatically mean you get better audio quality. And you can still get better audio quality when you including better DAC. If you love ok at ZTE Axon phone, it might provide better audio experience than iPhone 7, because it includes a AK4490 DAC.

Look at the article at Android Authority:

http://www.androidauthority.com/axon-phone-hi-fi-audio-626925/

So it is all about DAC. And you can achieve all of the objective of improving audio experience without removing headphone jack.

I know more people with >$99 headphones than with cheap headphones. People are starting to buy quality, especially headphones like the Jaybirds. So before you talk nonsense, do some research. Good quality headphones have been selling a lot more in the last year which is why companies can drop $10 every generation as more people buy them. Cheap headphones are starting to fall off because people realize they break fast, they are built to break and you end up spending more replacing cheap headphones regularly then you doing buying a nice $50 pair of headphones. By spring next year, watch some $50 headphones that are lightning have some nice features to them like noise cancellation, EQ adjustment and built in DAC
 
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The official launch of the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus is still three days away on September 16, but the first reviews of the new smartphones have started showing up online this morning. Some of the sites have been quietly testing out the new handsets for around a week, and general impressions have been positive, despite the lack of a radical design overhaul compared to last year's iPhone 6s and 6s Plus.

The Verge offered perhaps the most balanced perspective on the iPhone 7 series, which it called "terrific phones" but also "incomplete", given that the wider color gamut, and the real potential of the Taptic Engine and the iPhone 7 Plus's dual-lens camera - which rely on software updates - won't be realized at launch.


The Verge said non-adopters "won't actually be missing out on much" if they don't get an iPhone 7, which it described as a "transitional step to a vision of the future" and a "foundation" for how the next generation of iPhones will integrate into our lives.
Meanwhile, Mashable offered a more enthusiastic line of thinking for early adopters, calling both devices "worthwhile upgrades" that "inch us ever-closer to the completely sealed, moving-parts-free ideal of a smartphone slab". The review notes that both phones are "fast" and the stereo speakers "really shine" when it comes to gaming, while battery life was impressive, with the larger handset closing in on two days with moderate use.

It also put the phones through some underwater ordeals, the result of which was "pretty awesome" and offered peace of mind for those prone to dropping their phones in the toilet, but it didn't recommend going for a swim with the devices.
apple-iphone7-800x625.jpg

TechCrunch
got hold of a glossy black iPhone 7 and remarked that it definitely showed scratches and abrasions after a weeks' use. It also mentioned that the home button's Taptic Engine feedback makes it feel as if the whole bottom half of the phone is clicking, yet it called the implementation a "flawless transition" from the physical home button that prepares users for when the button disappears entirely. It said Apple's new flagship devices are "fast, capable, and functional" and "probably the best portable cameras ever made".
It won't be long before Apple customers begin to receive the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus handsets themselves, as the September 16 launch date approaches. Images have emerged online of iPhone 7 shipment batches ready to leave factories in Zhengzhou, China, while some customers have already received shipping confirmation.

Other reviews: Business Insider, BuzzFeed, The Wall Street Journal, Daring Fireball, Wired, Ars Technica, The Loop.

Article Link: iPhone 7 Reviews: 'Terrific Phones' That Offer a 'Foundation' for the Future, But Not an Essential Upgrade
The camera has me excited about 7+. I loved the camera on my Nokia 1020. Waiting for someone to match it but with a year into 6s+, I have a hard time thinking it's a must have.
He forgot to mention the difference in the flash. It's supposed to give you the ability to take pictures from further away with 4 LED's vs 2 on the old phone. How good does it work?
 
Or anyone that doesn't care about headphone sound quality.

What is the barrier for sound quality supposed to be? Analog sound is possible regardless of whether the phone has a standard jack built-in or not. All you need is a DAC, either in the adapter or the headphones themselves.
 
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But you don't need remove 3.5mm jack.

The thing is though, you won't able to hear difference between 30 dollars lightning headphone with 30 dollar headphone using 3.5mm. You won't get better DAC on 30 dollar headphone.

You could get better audio quality when you have expensive headphone. Where better DAC is build into headphone, but unless you are audiophile, who is going to buy couple hundred dollars headphone?

Point is: removing 3.5mm headphone jack does by automatically mean you get better audio quality. And you can still get better audio quality when you including better DAC. If you love ok at ZTE Axon phone, it might provide better audio experience than iPhone 7, because it includes a AK4490 DAC.

Look at the article at Android Authority:

http://www.androidauthority.com/axon-phone-hi-fi-audio-626925/

So it is all about DAC. And you can achieve all of the objective of improving audio experience without removing headphone jack.

Spot on.

I love the versatility of using the 3.5mm jack when on the way to the gym, followed by plugging the headphones into an iPod , and when I want to enjoy a music session, plugging in a chord mojo into the lighting port in my 6S to act as a DAC/amp.

Can't think of anything worse than getting bundled dacs in lightning headphones .
 
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