iPhone 7 Suppliers Prepare for Dual-Lens Camera, Possible Stereo Speakers

[ValO]

1. Flash is not completely dead. There are still tons of websites use flash.

2. There are apps for our Android users use flash.

3. Samsung is bring back removable storage with their Galaxy S7 and there are tons of Android phone with MicroSD card. Stop pretending only Samsung produce Android phones.

4. We Android users have choics, if one phone does not offers one thing, we can go buy other phone. For example, if I think removable storage and removable battery is important, I will chose LG G4. If I think screen is important, I will chose Samsung Note 5. Where poor iOS users are so brain washed to believe only Apple offers best solution and will buy iPhone regardless.

5. Apple fanboys will forgot everything Apple said in past and pretending what Apple said now is absolutely universe rule. When Apple offer 3.5. Inch screen, they believe anyone use phone lager than 3.5 inch has issue. Then they happy with 5.5 inch iPhone.

I will still buy iPhone if there is compelling reason for me to buy one. But I will continue use Android, becuase it simplely is better offering than iPhone
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Right. Only me dislike removals of 3.5mm headphone jack. Let go and see.

I still believe Apple will still able to sell tons of iPhone regardless and make tons of money by rip people off selling adapter. But let's see if Apple can outsell previous iPhone. Oh, wait, Apple does not offer sales breakdown. We cannot know if Apple really seell that much iPhone 7.

What are you even doing on a n Apple forum?
Just to tell us we are brainwashed, can' t think for ourselves?
I really don' t got that.
Be happy with your choice. And let Apple users be dumbasses.
For me the biggest difference between iPhones and android phones is that android phones are perhaps the first with gimmicks, but they don' t continue it, there is no consistency, they are not widely adapted, and are often discontinued . While Apple sticks with it, so in time it will be standard and widely adapted and supported throughout all of their products.

 

[LovingTeddy]

What are you even doing on a n Apple forum?
Just to tell us we are brainwashed, can' t think for ourselves?
I really don' t got that.
Be happy with your choice. And let Apple users be dumbasses.
For me the biggest difference between iPhones and android phones is that android phones are perhaps the first with gimmicks, but they don' t continue it, there is no consistency, they are not widely adapted, and are often discontinued . While Apple sticks with it, so in time it will be standard and widely adapted and supported throughout all of their products.

LOL...

1. Don't you think calling people Android fanboys is ignorant?

2. Talking about standard. Did FireWire ever became standard? And lots of Android gimmick went to iOS later. Talking about Hey, Siri? Talking about dual camera? Talking about Siri Now? Talking about AOMLED screen and talking about dual front facing seapker? What happen to people dismiss Surface and Apple comes up with half measured iPad Pro?

3. We Android users does not dismiss iOS like how Apple users dismiss Android. That is the difference. As I said, I will buy iPhone if there is compelling reason for me to buy one. But iPhone 7 does not offer that. I like Apple's hardware design, but I hate iOS.

 

[ValO]

LOL...

1. Don't you think calling people Android fanboys is ignorant?

2. Talking about standard. Did FireWire ever became standard? And lots of Android gimmick went to iOS later. Talking about Hey, Siri? Talking about dual camera? Talking about Siri Now? Talking about AOMLED screen and talking about dual front facing seapker? What happen to people dismiss Surface and Apple comes up with half measured iPad Pro?

3. We Android users does not dismiss iOS like how Apple users dismiss Android. That is the difference. As I said, I will buy iPhone if there is compelling reason for me to buy one. But iPhone 7 does not offer that. I like Apple's hardware design, but I hate iOS.

LOL

I didn't call you an android fan, I called you an android user.
You say you don' t dismiss IOS, but in the same post you state you hate iOS .
But that is not the point.

I don' t go too android websites and telling everyone their products suck and that they are suckers. So I just don' t see the point of you going to a Apple fan website. Why?

 

[LovingTeddy]

LOL

I didn't call you an android fan, I called you an android user.
You say you don' t dismiss IOS, but in the same post you state you hate iOS .
But that is not the point.

I don' t go too android websites and telling everyone their products suck and that they are suckers. So I just don' t see the point of you going to a Apple fan website. Why?

When there is section called alternative to iPhone, then this website is not just for Apple lovers, it is also for people use other than Apple's product.

I hate iOS does not mean i dismissed iOS. I hate iOS because of walled garden and alm these none sense restrictions. I absolutely dislike how Apple brick people's phone by software update. But give Apple's credit, they eventually revesed their decision.

But I like some aspect of iOS. Like the wide selection of Apps, timely updates and stability of iOS.

For hardware, I love Apple's hardware. But I dislike Apple's software.

 

[ValO]

Ok, it is your decision to come here, I was just curious why you decided to come here if you don' t want to buy an iPhone.

 

[2IS]

1. Flash is not completely dead. There are still tons of websites use flash.

2. There are apps for our Android users use flash.

3. Samsung is bring back removable storage with their Galaxy S7 and there are tons of Android phone with MicroSD card. Stop pretending only Samsung produce Android phones.

4. We Android users have choics, if one phone does not offers one thing, we can go buy other phone. For example, if I think removable storage and removable battery is important, I will chose LG G4. If I think screen is important, I will chose Samsung Note 5. Where poor iOS users are so brain washed to believe only Apple offers best solution and will buy iPhone regardless.

5. Apple fanboys will forgot everything Apple said in past and pretending what Apple said now is absolutely universe rule. When Apple offer 3.5. Inch screen, they believe anyone use phone lager than 3.5 inch has issue. Then they happy with 5.5 inch iPhone.

I will still buy iPhone if there is compelling reason for me to buy one. But I will continue use Android, becuase it simplely is better offering than iPhone
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Right. Only me dislike removals of 3.5mm headphone jack. Let go and see.

I still believe Apple will still able to sell tons of iPhone regardless and make tons of money by rip people off selling adapter. But let's see if Apple can outsell previous iPhone. Oh, wait, Apple does not offer sales breakdown. We cannot know if Apple really seell that much iPhone 7.

Sounds like I hit a nerve. Clearly you recognized yourself in my post. Not surprising, it's pretty typical of fanboys to do just that, get defensive and spout nonsense, not unlike what you just did here.

Flash on mobile is dead, adobe themselves killed it. For you to argue against that just shows you're even more delusional then the average fanboy.

 

[LovingTeddy]

Sounds like I hit a nerve. Clearly you recognized yourself in my post. Not surprising, it's pretty typical of fanboys to do just that, get defensive and spout nonsense, not unlike what you just did here.

Flash on mobile is dead, adobe themselves killed it. For you to argue against that just shows you're even more delusional then the average fanboy.

LOL... Flash on mobile is dead... But flash has not die yet. Plenty of website still use flash. If I need visit site with flash contents on Android phone, I can. You can also do that with iOS.

LOL... Your entire paot makes no sense and gets so many facts wrong. But it is normal for you, overall you are Apple faboys.

If you call me Android fanboy, but I have iPhone 6S, iPad, MacBook Air, Apple TV. I want ask you, what Andorif phone do you have?

Talking about defensive, you ignored whole post about removable battery and MicroSD card slot. Becuase you are simply wrong.

P.S. Samsung just announced S7 with MicroSD card expension up to 200GB.

 

[2IS]

LOL... Flash on mobile is dead... But flash has not die yet. Plenty of website still use flash. If I need visit site with flash contents on Android phone, I can. You can also do that with iOS.

LOL... Your entire paot makes no sense and gets so many facts wrong. But it is normal for you, overall you are Apple faboys.

If you call me Android fanboy, but I have iPhone 6S, iPad, MacBook Air, Apple TV. I want ask you, what Andorif phone do you have?

Talking about defensive, you ignored whole post about removable battery and MicroSD card slot. Becuase you are simply wrong.

P.S. Samsung just announced S7 with MicroSD card expension up to 200GB.

I suppose if you have to start your sentence with LOL you must be right. Doubly so when you do it twice.

Lets talk about defensive. Let me get this straight, you claimed I ignored you, and in the same sentence implied that's a sign of being defensive? How did I manage to ignore and defend simultaneously? You sound confused.

 

[Doc C]

I think it's silly to tout an analog audio connection to headphones inferior to a digital one, especially since the speakers in headphones that inherently create the audio that you hear are analog. Digital speakers don't exist.

At some point, the audio will be converted from digital to analog, however the more connections (such as the headphone jack itself) and the longer the path after the conversion, the more likely it is to have alterations in the analog signal, whereas digital signals will typically be an all-or-none issue (if the signal gets through, distortion won't be an issue). For some consumers, this won't be an advantage, however some people will want a higher grade DAC for the times that they output to their home stereo for dedicated listening, as compared to when they output to headphones they wear while sitting on the subway or walking around. Think of it as a similar though not quite identical situation to the move to CD from cassette tape - the conversion is done closer to the consumer, so the end quality tends to be better (I don't want to get into the argument about vinyl sounding "warmer" - this is beyond the scope of this discussion).

Additionally, by taking the DAC out of the phone, you have allowed the consumer (or headphone manufacturer) to decide on the degree of sophistication and the quality. You also eliminate the limitation to the size of the chip/circuit, and allow for upgrades to the DAC component independent of the phone. The downside of this is the increased cost of the headphones - I highly doubt that Apple will reduce the cost of the phones to account for the savings to them, and it is highly likely that the headphone manufacturers will charge a greater premium on the DAC than even Apple has been charging...

The bottom line is that a move to eliminate the headphone jack will theoretically result in improved audio quality, but will come at a cost to the consumer.
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The 3.5mm is an industry standard and only Apple is arrogant enough to remove it. I can see Samsung, HTC, etc. taunting Apple about the fact they'll still have the traditional headphone jack on their devices.

The original parallel and serial ports, and even RS-232 ports were industry standards too - they worked very well at the time. Eventually technology moves forward, and we are pulled along with it, no matter how much kicking and screaming may ensue.

 

[BvizioN]

So if you don't need it, nobody else does, right?

I could not give a toss! I shared an opinion about myself and not everybody else! In case you didn't read it.

 

[AVEGA]

So far everything I hear about the potential iphone 7 is not appealing or interesting.

 

[ValO]

So far everything I hear about the potential iphone 7 is not appealing or interesting.

Yes, I know.
But it is about what we don' t hear.
It is all about physical size of the phones itself.
Form factor is the most important thing about the iPhone 7.
I would upgrade my 6s to a 7+ ,if iPhone 7+ Had the same physical dimensions as a 6s. And a higher res screen with better blacks and higher contrast, better soc and camera.
The next super upgrade cycle will depend on that. I want an even bigger screen, but hate the dimensions of the current 6s+.
If Apple fixes that, they will have a new hit.
My prediction is that the 7+ will be more important for iPhone growth than the regular iPhone 7.

 

[Doc C]

The headphone jack and the speaker are currently at the bottom so if they replace the headphone jack with another speaker then both speakers would be at the bottom. Maybe they are far enough apart that you can hear the left/right difference, but if you're watching a video or playing a game in landscape mode then everything is coming out of one side. So it would make more sense if they added a second speaker at the top of the phone. That way, when in portrait mode, you'd get kind of a mono sound. But in landscape you'd get stereo sound. Either that or they'll need to do the 4 speaker thing like on the iPad Pro. But I doubt there's space for that.

The current iPhones have nothing along the top. Similar to the iPad Pro, perhaps they are looking at redesigning the circuitry slightly so that the extra speaker (or a pair) could be put on top, giving stereo effects no matter which orientation the device is used.

 

[Mac 128]

The current iPhones have nothing along the top. Similar to the iPad Pro, perhaps they are looking at redesigning the circuitry slightly so that the extra speaker (or a pair) could be put on top, giving stereo effects no matter which orientation the device is used.

And the "leaks" of the new 4" phone have also shown the same design. That certainly makes more sense if you are going to have stereo speakers, however, I continue to maintain the quality is so low that it's all but a pointless use of essential internal space, especially if they are removing something as widely used as the 3.5mm jack.

 

[LotusLord]

Anyone else think they might take a stab at removing the jack in this supposed 4 inch phone due for release next month? It would give them a way to see how the market handles it without killing their primary profit maker. It's too soon to say exactly what they'll do. My 6+ will be paid off in September, so we'll see if it warrants an upgrade. Right now I still plug in to Aux in my wife's car, as well as 2 of my inlaws 3 vehicles when I drive them, so it would be problematic for me, but not critically so.

 

[Mac 128]

Anyone else think they might take a stab at removing the jack in this supposed 4 inch phone due for release next month? It would give them a way to see how the market handles it without killing their primary profit maker. It's too soon to say exactly what they'll do. My 6+ will be paid off in September, so we'll see if it warrants an upgrade. Right now I still plug in to Aux in my wife's car, as well as 2 of my inlaws 3 vehicles when I drive them, so it would be problematic for me, but not critically so.

I have had the exact same thoughts, since you know Apple has two designs of the iPhone 7 set to go -- on with, and without the 3.5mm jack. However, I recently had this thought:

In terms of marketing, when Apple removes the 3.5mm jack, they may want it to coincide with the introduction of HQ audio, which may require the new 17-pin Lightning 2 connector only found on the iPad Pro at the moment. If so, it's unlikely Apple would want to make such an important launch with a budget model 4" iPhone.

UNLESS -- Apple is trying to position the 4" iPhone as an iPod replacement. In which case, it might be the perfect model to emphasize HQ audio capabilities, which the iPhone 7 will also incorporate. On the other hand, if it's truly a budget entry-level model, they're gonna want to leave the headphone jack for the customer who can't really afford higher quality headphones, or wireless.

 

[JesterJJZ]

Additionally, by taking the DAC out of the phone...

But you're not taking it out…there are still speakers on the phone that need one.

 

[Doc C]

But you're not taking it out…there are still speakers on the phone that need one.

You are correct - however I believe the point still is valid. It would have been better worded as "by taking the internal DAC out of the equation..."

As inadequate as the DAC is now, it could actually be downgraded because it only would be needed for the onboard speakers, which are poor quality for dedicated listening. External DACs would still be the preferred method when anything else is used, and these would still be somewhat at the discretion of the user and headphone/speaker manufacturer.

 

[JesterJJZ]

You are correct - however I believe the point still is valid. It would have been better worded as "by taking the internal DAC out of the equation..."

As inadequate as the DAC is now, it could actually be downgraded because it only would be needed for the onboard speakers, which are poor quality for dedicated listening. External DACs would still be the preferred method when anything else is used, and these would still be somewhat at the discretion of the user and headphone/speaker manufacturer.

Except that they want to take the 1/8 jack out to add better speakers to make it sound better...

It's not worth the pain in the ass it will be to have an adapter with you for anytime you want to use headphones. Not to mention I generally have an external battery on me for long trips to keep my phone charging while I use headphones. So now there needs to be two lighting ports or another splitter or adapter to make that work. The whole idea is a clusterf*ck.

 

[Mac 128]

Except that they want to take the 1/8 jack out to add better speakers to make it sound better...

It's not worth the pain in the ass it will be to have an adapter with you for anytime you want to use headphones. Not to mention I generally have an external battery on me for long trips to keep my phone charging while I use headphones. So now there needs to be two lighting ports or another splitter or adapter to make that work. The whole idea is a clusterf*ck.

I totally agree that removing the 3.5mm jack just to add a second "stereo" speaker would be an asinine move. THere's no way it will sound better -- just negligible spatial separation. Again, these are all rumors, so let's hope that one is just misguided.

However, how big a PITA an adapter will be is debatable. I lived through the 1/4" to 1/8" transition and never had a problem with adapters. The adapter will live at the end of the headphones, and most will never have to think about them. They'll probably be tethered to the headphone cable as well, so when removed for connecting to legacy equipment they won't get lost. All pretty minor stuff for people content to deal with wires in the first place.

And two lighting ports to charge and listen at the same time is the biggest straw man being argued here. Many adapters will likely have a passthrough taking up no additional room on the adapter, a concept that has been around since electricity was invented.

All things considered, hardly a cluster-anything.

 

[JesterJJZ]

Forcing the customer to either use more expensive headphones or use an adapter is nonsense. If you leave the 1/8 jack you have the option of both. I'm not interested in lightning headphones as I use headphones in many other applications. Having an adapter just to listen to music is a terrible idea. Just no.

 

[Mac 128]

Forcing the customer to either use more expensive headphones or use an adapter is nonsense. If you leave the 1/8 jack you have the option of both. I'm not interested in lightning headphones as I use headphones in many other applications. Having an adapter just to listen to music is a terrible idea. Just no.

Until we find out otherwise, the assumption is that this isn't an arbitrary decision to make wired headphone user's lives more difficult and potentially drive away customers. If they do this, it is to free up internal space for more innovation. And Samsung and Android are presumably in the exact same boat -- i.e. they need to free up space to improve battery life, and add new features to enhance the customer's experience, and drive new sales. If Apple does this, within a year, all of the competitions flagship phones will follow Apple's lead and drop the 3.5mm headphone jack as well. Before long anyone who insists on having a 3.5mm jack on their mobile phone will be limited to cheap feature poor Android models.

If Apple removes the 3.5mm headphone jack and replaces it with a second low-quality, pointless stereo speaker, I'll be the first in line to castigate them. Otherwise, they have my full support, as I see the future of audio is wireless anyway, and I believe the industry needs a push from increased demand to be more competitive, such that the customer sees more innovation, higher quality and lower prices. I'll happily use an unobtrusive adapter in the few situations necessary to see that happen.

 

[AVEGA]

how much better quality sound would digital lighting headphones be compared to headphone jack ?

Is this like the Audiophiles dream come true ? Is this like that difference between 1080 i and 1080 p or like VHS to Blu-Ray Disk ?

 

[Doc C]

how much better quality sound would digital lighting headphones be compared to headphone jack ?

Is this like the Audiophiles dream come true ? Is this like that difference between 1080 i and 1080 p or like VHS to Blu-Ray Disk ?

My understanding is that it is closer to the shift from VHS to DVD, with improvement being somewhat dependent on the DAC used, and the quality of the output unit (speakers, headphones, etc)

 

[maxsix]

iPhone development has leveled off far too early. Competing head to head with formidable Android Smartphones, why Apple seems to be slacking off is disappointing. Oh sure, they've become hyper focused on its camera which some could use. But then again it's existing camera is no slouch.

Other than tacking on gizmos and other gadget type features to wow the easily amused, Apple has become so focused on getting all of our money that they've stopped doing their very best work. It's a huge company with the skill, experience and staffing to easily keep innovating. The lure of easy money by recycling the same old design, thereby keeping expenses low, is too good for Apple to pass up.