iPhone 7 Suppliers Prepare for Dual-Lens Camera, Possible Stereo Speakers

[BillyMatt87]

And what will you do when all the other phone makers drop the 3.5mm Jack following Apple's lead?



And why would it be so strange if Apple included a 3.5mm Jack on an iPad but not an iPhone? Apple is already doing this with plenty of other products ... The 6S Plus has a mechanical image stabilization that the 6S doesn't, the MacBook Pro has Mag-safe, Thunderbolt, HDMI, and an SD card slot, where the Retina MacBook doesn't, etc.

I highly doubt the other phone manufacturers will make such a move until they see the potentially negative effects this could have on iPhone sales. Believe me when I say that Samsung, HTC, etc. will undoubtably use the lack of a headphone jack on an iPhone to their advantage.

As for the lack of a headphone jack on the iPhone but not the iPad, that will just create less consistency and harmony amongst the already fractured and bloated product lines.

 

[Mac 128]

I highly doubt the other phone manufacturers will make such a move until they see the potentially negative effects this could have on iPhone sales. Believe me when I say that Samsung, HTC, etc. will undoubtably use the lack of a headphone jack on an iPhone to their advantage.

The reason you can so confidently state this, is because you apparently don't understand why Apple would do this in the first place. It's not arbitrary. If Apple feels like this is actually necessary, then they have run out of space to add new features and more battery capacity to power them. In which case the other manufacturers are in the same boat, and just don't have the balls to pull the trigger first. They will follow suit as soon as Apple does to remain competitive, just as they have followed Apple dropping things like SD card slots, and removable batteries which once were marketing points, in order to make their high margin flagship devices as thin and compact as Apple's.

I too have no doubt that some lower end, cheaper models will retain the headphone jack as a marketing move to move units to people who only use cheaper wired headphones because they can't afford better, or wireless. But they will also lack many features found on the flagship phones which demand the limited space available, and will eventually be forced into the same boat to stay competitive as well.

As for the lack of a headphone jack on the iPhone but not the iPad, that will just create less consistency and harmony amongst the already fractured and bloated product lines.

Of course it won't. The iPad has more space, so they can include ports that won't physically fit in smaller devices. The Retina MacBook will likely replace the 3.5mm Jack with a Lightning port. But the MacBook Pro may add the Lightning port, but keep the 3.5mm Jack. Certainly there's no reason to remove it on the iMac. At some point they may remove it from all products, but only after manufactures have expanded the availability, upped the quality, and lowered the cost of wireless and Lightning products.

And when you complain about Apple's bloated and fractured product lines, it's really hard to take you seriously that you will jump ship to the Samsung/Android platform which wrote the book on bloated and fractured product lines.

 

[RoboCop001]

The second speaker would be instead of the headphone jack so it'd be on the other side..?

Or do you mean, one at the bottom and one at the top?

The headphone jack and the speaker are currently at the bottom so if they replace the headphone jack with another speaker then both speakers would be at the bottom. Maybe they are far enough apart that you can hear the left/right difference, but if you're watching a video or playing a game in landscape mode then everything is coming out of one side. So it would make more sense if they added a second speaker at the top of the phone. That way, when in portrait mode, you'd get kind of a mono sound. But in landscape you'd get stereo sound. Either that or they'll need to do the 4 speaker thing like on the iPad Pro. But I doubt there's space for that.

 

[firewood]

The 3.5mm is an industry standard and only Apple is arrogant enough to remove it. I can see Samsung, HTC, etc. taunting Apple about the fact they'll still have the traditional headphone jack on their devices.

An ethernet port and modem port are industry standard. Only Apple will be arrogant enough to remove them. How will people connect to AOL or the internet without them? Everybody has an office 4-port router or a home telephone line. Samsung will sell tons of computers with ethernet and modem ports to all those dis-satisfied former Apple customers. And Palm will take the lead in mobile phones because their mobile devices all include a serial port. Absolute necessary stuff.

Not.

 

[jasie02]

An ethernet port and modem port are industry standard. Only Apple will be arrogant enough to remove them. How will people connect to AOL or the internet without them? Everybody has an office 4-port router or a home telephone line. Samsung will sell tons of computers with ethernet and modem ports to all those dis-satisfied former Apple customers. And Palm will take the lead in mobile phones because their mobile devices all include a serial port. Absolute necessary stuff.

Not.

I could not find ethernet port on latest Samsung's one of their most highend laptop, could you point out to me where is ethernet port? Not USB-C, but ethernet port?

Also, what is modem port, and who is Palm, is it the palm tree you are talking about?

 

[x-evil-x]

The floppy drive was already dying a slow death even without Apple's help. Other than Apple's strong need to make all their accessories exclusive to their devices, there's nothing to indicate that the industry is moving away from the 3.5mm jack any time soon. There will always be a need for a built in headphone jack since not everyone can afford a bluetooth headset and it would be foolish for Apple to render so many great 3rd party headphones and earbuds obsolete. Not to mention the people who use aux cables in their cars. It would create an unnecessary inconvenience for some many people and I know I personally will not buy another iPhone if they do this.

But it saddens me that so many of you here would be totally fine with this happening as it shows you will eat up anything Apple dishes out without question, even if it's crap or a really stupid idea like removing the 3.5mm headphone jack. Also it will be really weird if the iPhone eschews the headphone jack but not the iPad. No logic whatsoever...
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So if you don't need it, nobody else does, right?

Watch this and tell us what you think if that happens.

 

[jasie02]

Watch this and tell us what you think if that happens.

One thing I have to disagree with video, there is no Audiophile grade BT connection, yet. A good headphone, like Sennheiser HD600 with an good analog external SS or tube headphone amp will blow any BT wireless headphone out of water, and that's not even close. In term of resolution, soundstage, detail, accurate non-booming deep-deep bass, and musicality.

Able to connect digitally to external DAC with digital wire from iPhone will definitely provide benefit and improvement, specially integrated DAC with headset, but a iPhone to BT headphone wireless connection is not good enough.

 

[BillyMatt87]

They can just make the next iPhone thicker therefore you can have both the headphone jack and improved sound quality

 

[jasie02]

They can just make the next iPhone thicker therefore you can have both the headphone jack and improved sound quality

If you understand Apple iPhone tick/tock design strategy, you would understand tick which represent "s" model is all about internal change, and tock which represent external change, and there is no tock model, external change, without thickness reduction.
This is Apple's design philosophy, and not seeing they are changing from it.

A lot of potential iPhone buyer are not even close to technical savvy like us, some are 70 years old grandma and some are 9 years old kid with $$$, and when they walk into Apple store on the 1st day of release see a new design iPhone is thicker than one they have, different than what Apple has always done before, I bet some of them will have 2nd though about buying new phone.

For a lot of people, look is everything, and thinner is better, and Apple know it.

 

[LovingTeddy]

What will you do when Samsung and every other Android phone maker drops the 3.5mm jack on all of their phones too?

Did All PC manufacture dropped CD drive? I highly doubt ALL android phone maker drops 3.5mm jack. I will not pick iPhone 7 if no 3.5mm jack.

 

[jasie02]

Did All PC manufacture dropped CD drive? I highly doubt ALL android phone maker drops 3.5mm jack. I will not pick iPhone 7 if no 3.5mm jack.

Once Apple did it, all other premier smartphone maker will follow, why, not only it is cost saving, less part == more revenue, it also open up more new revenue on selling more accessories like adapter, digital headphone....
Come back in 1-2 years after Apple remove 3.5mm on iPhone, it will become norm for new premier smart phone.

All profit business are revenue 1st. No one in their right mind would not want to generate more revenue with new accessories market. They are waiting for Apple to be the 1st one to angry some user, for short term, so they could follow and simply say Apple did it 1st, not them. But couple years later, it will be norm.

 

[LovingTeddy]

You obviously don't understand why Apple would remove it. I guarantee if Apple feels the need to remove it, the Android crowd is in exactly the same boat -- running out of room to add new features. The only reason they haven't done it first is because they don't have the balls. While a few manufacturers will use this as a marketing opportunity in the short term, the rest will follow Apple down the rabbit hole within a year. Where Apple goes, so do the rest.

You think Apple is the first one dropped 3.5mm headphone jack for thinness? Oppo R5 did before Apple. So it is other way around, Apple is following Android crowd now.

Anyway, I will not buy any phone without headphone jack. Until they figure out a way without adapter and i can charge and listen music at same time.

Where Apple goes, so do the rest. Nope, not all PC manufactures removed optical drive and not all Android phone has non-removable battery and non-expandable storage. Sorry.
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I could not find ethernet port on latest Samsung's one of their most highend laptop, could you point out to me where is ethernet port? Not USB-C, but ethernet port?

Also, what is modem port, and who is Palm, is it the palm tree you are talking about?

But not all PC laptop removed Ethernet port. I brought 2 laptop ( Acer and Asus, one for me and one for my dad), both have 4 USB ports, Ethernet port, HDMI port and SD Card slot. Not gonna buy MacBook with only one USB-C port and not paying Apple high dollars for stupid adapter.

Once Apple did it, all other premier smartphone maker will follow, why, not only it is cost saving, less part == more revenue, it also open up more new revenue on selling more accessories like adapter, digital headphone....
Come back in 1-2 years after Apple remove 3.5mm on iPhone, it will become norm for new premier smart phone.

All profit business are revenue 1st. No one in their right mind would not want to generate more revenue with new accessories market. They are waiting for Apple to be the 1st one to angry some user, for short term, so they could follow and simply say Apple did it 1st, not them. But couple years later, it will be norm.

Still, not everyone will remove 3.5mm. If there is market for it, there will be product for that market. There are still phone with removable battery, MicroSD card. There are still PC with all these port.
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In which case the other manufacturers are in the same boat, and just don't have the balls to pull the trigger first. They will follow suit as soon as Apple does to remain competitive, just as they have followed Apple dropping things like SD card slots, and removable batteries which once were marketing points, in order to make their high margin flagship devices as thin and compact as Apple's.

This is stupid. Not every manufacturers will produce thinnest possible phones. Maybe there are models from every manufactures drops 3.5mm, but you seems forgot almost all manufacturers produce different models to fit different customer base.

Second, lots of flagship Android phones still includes Micro-SD card and Samsung is going to include MicroSD card slot in their S7. LG G4 still includes removable battery and MicroSD card slot. Not every single manufactures ares about thin and compact as Apple's. I can confidently say that MicroSD card slot is not going anywhere, especially Marshmallow includes adoptive storage option (format SD card as internal storage) and there always be phones includes removable battery AND there will be phones with 3.5mm jack

 

[jasie02]

But not all PC laptop removed Ethernet port. I brought 2 laptop ( Acer and Asus, one for me and one for my dad), both have 4 USB ports, Ethernet port, HDMI port and SD Card slot. Not gonna buy MacBook with only one USB-C port and not paying Apple high dollars for stupid adapter.

Still, not everyone will remove 3.5mm. If there is market for it, there will be product for that market. There are still phone with removable battery, MicroSD card. There are still PC with all these port.

Macbook is still only out less than 1 year, and USB-C part are still fairly expensive.
Not yet, wait for 1-2 years most if not all new "premier" "thin" laptop will have USB-C and ethernet and other ports removed, and 1-2 years after Apple removed 3.5mm on "premier" smartphone all other maker will follow on "premier" smartphone.

Like I said, it about $$$ saving == more revenue $$$ in their bank.
If money is not the reason, and you ask 100 teenage today, I bet a good majority of them will want Apple products. And other maker knows it, they will follow where the $$$ is, by make product looks like Apple product.

 

[LovingTeddy]

Macbook is still only out less than 1 year, and USB-C part are still fairly expensive.
Not yet, wait for 1-2 years most if not all new "premier" "thin" laptop will have USB-C and ethernet and other ports removed, and 1-2 years after Apple removed 3.5mm on "premier" smartphone all other maker will follow on "premier" smartphone.

Like I said, it about $$$ saving == more revenue $$$ in their bank.
If money is not the reason, and you ask 100 teenage today, I bet a good majority of them will want Apple products. And other maker knows it, they will follow where the $$$ is, by make product looks like Apple product.

But no... Apple dropped optical drive long time ago, but PCs still includes optical drive. The point is not ALL manufactures will follow suit. There will be phones without 3.5mm and there will be PC without optical drive. But there will be phones with headphone jack and there will be laptop with bunch of port.

I care less about thin phones. I am using Moto X Style and Moto X Play. Moto X play is not thin phone and I love it every inch. For now, no headphone jack is deal breaker for me. I do not want wireless headphone for poor audio quality and i do not want charge my headphone every single day.

 

[x-evil-x]

One thing I have to disagree with video, there is no Audiophile grade BT connection, yet. A good headphone, like Sennheiser HD600 with an good analog external SS or tube headphone amp will blow any BT wireless headphone out of water, and that's not even close. In term of resolution, soundstage, detail, accurate non-booming deep-deep bass, and musicality.

Able to connect digitally to external DAC with digital wire from iPhone will definitely provide benefit and improvement, specially integrated DAC with headset, but a iPhone to BT headphone wireless connection is not good enough.

he says that bluetooth in the video is good but not as good as he'd like. I personally love my jaybird x2's. Bluetooth will get better over the next few years but I'm happy with the quality they have now.

 

[jasie02]

But no... Apple dropped optical drive long time ago, but PCs still includes optical drive. The point is not ALL manufactures will follow suit. There will be phones without 3.5mm and there will be PC without optical drive. But there will be phones with headphone jack and there will be laptop with bunch of port.

See #130 post above, Samsung, one of biggest "global" laptop company, already followed removed ethernet.
And it will continue, not for all laptop, but only for "premier" "thin" laptop.

I care less about thin phones. I am using Moto X Style and Moto X Play. Moto X play is not thin phone and I love it every inch. For now, no headphone jack is deal breaker for me. I do not want wireless headphone for poor audio quality and i do not want charge my headphone every single day.

Apple care most about majority of future iPhone buyer, and most of them buy iPhone because the look and easy use.
Not you nor me. We are minority.
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he says that bluetooth in the video is good but not as good as he'd like. I personally love my jaybird x2's. Bluetooth will get better over the next few years but I'm happy with the quality they have now.

One really good bluetooth headset I like is bang and olufsen H7. Sounds really really good for a BT, but once it is wired and drive with a headphone amp, it really open thing up and singing just coms alive.
Mic sucks without iPhone cable, but as a headphone it is pretty good, and one of most comfortable over-head.

 

[x-evil-x]

For over the ear. I like earbud style at the gym at least. I can't do over the ear my head gets way too hot. id imagine 450$ headphones aren't for 95% of people too.

 

[jasie02]

For a long lasting water resist earbud try Sony SBH70. Clean sounds, wide soundstage, decent clean non-booming bass, and only around $70. The best is it is Apple earbud like, which I could sleep with it for hours, vs all the way in the ear canal type.

 

[ArmCortexA8]

I honestly think the headphone removal is a crazy idea as it alienates all users who use their iPhone for music. This has been an industry standard for decades. They could go from 3.5mm to 2.5mm instead. Not everyone wants wireless headphones and and unless you are 20 metre away from your phone, there is no need for wireless headphones.

Direct connection is always best and does not require batteries or charging either. As an audiophile I have found all wireless headphones lack sound quality as well. Bluetooth audio is also highly compressed due to the way Bluetooth works. Additionally we all know the built-in amps of iDevices cannot power anything about 70ohm impedance properly due to the underpowered amp. This is why I use a FiiO E18 portable AMP / DAC with my iDevices, connected to Sennheiser Momentum 2.0 ivory over-ears headphones.

I see the only main reason why they want to remove the headphone jack is possibly for another speaker, as the my own checks have indicated its only about 2mm larger than the rest of the ports. As for dual speakers, this is fine if you do everything in portrait mode, but in landscape mode this forces the audio, despite being stereo, to one side.

So what happens when you use the lightning port for headphones plus you need to also charge the phone - only one port? Looks like the home button will still be around for a while as rumours had it built into the display, but this may be associated with OLED down the track.

 

[jeffe]

If Apple feels like this is actually necessary, then they have run out of space to add new features and more battery capacity to power them. In which case the other manufacturers are in the same boat, and just don't have the balls to pull the trigger first.

What new features?

 

[LovingTeddy]

Apple care most about majority of future iPhone buyer, and most of them buy iPhone because the look and easy use.
Not you nor me. We are minority.

why would you believe majority of future iPhone buyer and current iPhone users want remove headphone jack? Does that really make their life easier?

Do you think majority of iPhone users wish to shell out 30-40 dollar for an adapter? Why would you think remove headphone jack is good thing?

Beside the race for who gets thinnest phone in the earth, what other compelling reason to remove that headphone jack?

 

[2IS]

What will you do when Samsung and every other Android phone maker drops the 3.5mm jack on all of their phones too?

The same thing Android fanboys did when Flash became irrelevant
The same thing Android fanboys did when their favorite Samsung phone no longer had a removable battery
The Same thing Android fanboys did when their favorite Samsung phone no longer had removable storage

Which is, pretend that none of those features are that important, much less deal breakers to them suddenly.

 

[jasie02]

why would you believe majority of future iPhone buyer and current iPhone users want remove headphone jack? Does that really make their life easier?

Do you think majority of iPhone users wish to shell out 30-40 dollar for an adapter? Why would you think remove headphone jack is good thing?

Beside the race for who gets thinnest phone in the earth, what other compelling reason to remove that headphone jack?

I believe next iPhone 7 will NOT have 3.5mm jack, regardless you like it or not.
I believe Apple does not care it make your live easier or not, 3.5mm will not be on next iPhone 7. They are going to do what they want to do regardless you like it or not.
I believe iPhone user will spend $$ to buy a adapter, and no one have no idea how much it cost. it could be $10, could be $99, no one know.
I believe remove headphone jack is great thing for some people, but it is really bad for some people, depend on who you are.
I believe you need to calm down and read below article, so you could understand why remove audio is a good thing for us.
http://www.techradar.com/us/news/ph...why-apple-removing-it-is-a-good-thing-1313546

At last, I believe regardless how angry you are, you as one person buying Apple product or not will make zero different, maybe 0.0000000000000000001% different, to Apple's revenue and success.

 

[Stuey3D]

The Lightning Port will make a crap headphone port as the connector will wiggle out whilst its in your pocket and moving, in my experience the Lightning Port just isn't secure enough to be a reliable connector for headphones for people who put their phones in their pocket and actually move.

Personally I use a £10 bluetooth adapter for mine as our european iPhones have a crap mandatory EU volume restriction built in which is unable to be removed so my iPhone is about half the volume of your American ones, the bluetooth clipper gets around that by having its own amplifier which for me using over ear headphones is a must.

Saying that though I will miss the headphone socket as I don't have an AUX in on my van so I have to use an FM transmitter which connects via the headphone port, and when I connect to my upstairs amplifier for tunes in the bathroom I use a standard 3.5mm aux connection, downstairs is all about the Airplay baby!

 

[LovingTeddy]

The same thing Android fanboys did when Flash became irrelevant
The same thing Android fanboys did when their favorite Samsung phone no longer had a removable battery
The Same thing Android fanboys did when their favorite Samsung phone no longer had removable storage

Which is, pretend that none of those features are that important, much less deal breakers to them suddenly.

1. Flash is not completely dead. There are still tons of websites use flash.

2. There are apps for our Android users use flash.

3. Samsung is bring back removable storage with their Galaxy S7 and there are tons of Android phone with MicroSD card. Stop pretending only Samsung produce Android phones.

4. We Android users have choics, if one phone does not offers one thing, we can go buy other phone. For example, if I think removable storage and removable battery is important, I will chose LG G4. If I think screen is important, I will chose Samsung Note 5. Where poor iOS users are so brain washed to believe only Apple offers best solution and will buy iPhone regardless.

5. Apple fanboys will forgot everything Apple said in past and pretending what Apple said now is absolutely universe rule. When Apple offer 3.5. Inch screen, they believe anyone use phone lager than 3.5 inch has issue. Then they happy with 5.5 inch iPhone.

I will still buy iPhone if there is compelling reason for me to buy one. But I will continue use Android, becuase it simplely is better offering than iPhone
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At last, I believe regardless how angry you are, you as one person buying Apple product or not will make zero different, maybe 0.0000000000000000001% different, to Apple's revenue and success.

Right. Only me dislike removals of 3.5mm headphone jack. Let go and see.

I still believe Apple will still able to sell tons of iPhone regardless and make tons of money by rip people off selling adapter. But let's see if Apple can outsell previous iPhone. Oh, wait, Apple does not offer sales breakdown. We cannot know if Apple really seell that much iPhone 7.