iPhone 7 to Feature Longer Earpiece Cutout, Relocated Ambient Light Sensor

[8692574]

Ahh... good catch, thx.
I don't "disagree", btw... just didn't know wtf the OP was talking about.
Thanks for clearing it up! YES! It would be cool (in a very small way) if I could get three years out of a single $15 case; however, I'd obviously MUCH rather have upgrades to cameras & the additional true tone support that I've been loving on my 9.7" iPad Pro, EVEN if it means getting only two years out of my $15 case.. Sooooo... I guess, it's one or the other, yeah?

Well again, you seem to suggest people only have one case, considering any Apple case cost more than 15$ and that I for myself already have about 10 cases (from various vendors) it is more than 15 bucks, and if i have to "change them" at least it would be "worthed" if there was a substantial change. for an "S(s)" update it pisses me off especially considering that most likely the 7 (or 8 however they will calll it next year)will be completely different again.

 

[Tycho24]

Well again, you seem to suggest people only have one case, considering any Apple case cost more than 15$ and that I for myself already have about 10 cases (from various vendors) it is more than 15 bucks, and if i have to "change them" at least it would be "worthed" if there was a substantial change. for an "S(s)" update it pisses me off especially considering that most likely the 7 (or 8 however they will calll it next year)will be completely different again.

Gotcha.
Well, I'm pleased that everything in your life is going so well that you must dig this deep to find something to be mad about.
At least you aren't an Android user, yeah? There haven't been any successive Nexus phones that use the same case for two or three years straight... or Galaxy phones that use the same case 2-3 years running have there?
I guess they're just a less whiny lot maybe?

 

[smacrumon]

Remove the protruding camera from iPod touch at once!

 

[8692574]

Gotcha.
Well, I'm pleased that everything in your life is going so well that you must dig this deep to find something to be mad about.
At least you aren't an Android user, yeah? There haven't been any successive Nexus phones that use the same case for two or three years straight... or Galaxy phones that use the same case 2-3 years running have there?
I guess they're just a less whiny lot maybe?

You are assumig AGAIN too much, I am not mad and I also use Android (there's nothing wrong with that) and the compatison with other manufacturer is silly.

But again I must agree with you, I am very lucky my life is going so well (no sarcasm here just the plain truth!!!), and thank you for caring

 

[Mac 128]

Waterproof could be the key feature of iPhone 7.
They need to show something new and appealing to the average customer and ditching the 3.5 jack is not really a feature.

Making the next iPhone significantly more water resistant will definitely be a selling point, perhaps one of the few. But, as has been pointed out, many manufacturers are doing it already while retaining the headphone jack. So that fact is only going to get emphasized when Apple rolls out this rumored speed bump, which takes away a widely used interface.

I don't care whether Apple keeps or removes the headphone jack -- I rarely use it. But in reasoning out how and why removing it makes sense without impacting their bottom line, one such puzzler is why they would remove it on the next iPhone if it's going to be essentially an updated 6s. The only reason that makes sense for removing the headphone jack is that they need top he room to offer some new technology and features. While I suppose a dual camera might need that space, it's a little hard to imagine, and sort of robbing Peter to pay Paul. Then again, Apple has the research data to know how many iPhone customers use third party 3.5mm headphones who would be unwilling to upgrade, vs. how many would be willing to upgrade for a much improved camera technology. And if the 3.5mm is going to be dropped next year anyway, then might as well get it over with. Though it still seems like a better camera isn't enough to offset the die hard headphone jack enthusiasts who will sit this one out.

However, there are still plenty of customers who are still using a 5s or 5c under contract who are going to be ready to upgrade, and of them, many for whom the headphone jack won't be a major issue. And there are surely a fair number of 6 & 6s customers for whom a much better camera is worth losing the headphone jack, such that Apple's numbers don't necessarily have to be significantly impacted.

But going back to my initial attempts to reason this out, if the dual camera goes into the Plus, then there's absolutely no reason to drop the headphone jack. Likewise if there's no dual camera on the 4.7" iPhone -- unless there's something new coming that hasn't even been hinted at in the rumors (which has rarely been the case in the past). What has been rumored is a dual speaker (stereo or not) replacing the headphone jack, and that is a ridiculous waste if true, and one that is likely to result in a year of devastatingly low sales. It's really hard for me to imagine that the number of customers who can't wait to upgrade to get dual speakers at the cost of the headphone jack is larger than the group who would rather not lose the headphone jack.

So if that's how it really turns out, I have to assume it's because Apple intentionally wants to depress the stock price so they can buy huge portions of it back.

 

[travwill]

The phone is FEATURING a longer cutout and relocated sensor - woo hoo! Revolutionary I'm sure, along with the combined removal of a headphone jack. Less for more, always a great approach!

I sure hope another competitor comes out with some more compelling phones soon. The lack of exciting hardware coupled with Apple's need to get political lately is ending my lifetime relationship with them likely.

 

[Hank Carter]

For starters, you think this thought never occurred to Apple? You think someone from Apple just read your post and ran over to Tim Cook's office screaming "what have we done!?"? Doubtful.
.

The point is that this move is going to piss off the vast majority of people out there who are not die hard tech nerds. So, that's what? Roughly 99% of the population? The average joe and Jane doesn't give a crap about how old the 3.5mm jack is, nor if there is something technologically more sophisticated out there. All they care about is hooking up their existing headphones, stereo, car etc to their phone and that is all done with the 3.5mm jack. So, instead you will need yet another adapter that will either need an internal battery or more likely will draw power from the phone itself. Personally I see a lot of snapped off Lighting connectors in the future, because it's far more flimsy than the 3.5mm jack and any adapter will just add more leverage. Try sliding that contraption in your pants pocket and see how long it takes for it to break.

Also how are you going to charge the phone and listen to music at the same time? Do you need a splitter adapter for that? So, now you're carrying around two adapters? (plus the adapter for your single port MacBook). I doubt that Apple will add two lighting ports to the phone to solve that problem.

And here's another question. How long do you think the Lightning port is going to be around and what are you going to do with those very expensive Beats Lightning headphones you just bought 2 years from now when Apple moves to a different connector? Buy another adapter?

So, no matter how you slice this it's a phenominally stupid idea that in all likelyhood is going to backfire on them. Making millions of accessories obsolete in one fell swoop and only operable via a clumsy adapter is not going to endear Apple to their customers.

 

[dk001]

Then you misread me completely. Getting one was my default position, because my 6 plus is going on two years now (though I have no problems with its performance or battery life). I was looking forward to it. The dual-lens camera was all the rationalization I needed.

If the dual-lens camera is not going to be offered in September, I'm now leaning towards saving my money this year and waiting to see what Apple brings to the table in 2017. There's an MBP update coming, or if the backlash from the tepid iPhone update isn't already baked into AAPL's share price I can pick up a few more shares "on the dip".

Looks like I did. My bad.

 

[Mac 128]

The point is that this move is going to piss off the vast majority of people out there who are not die hard tech nerds. So, that's what? Roughly 99% of the population? The average joe and Jane doesn't give a crap about how old the 3.5mm jack is, nor if there is something technologically more sophisticated out there. All they care about is hooking up their existing headphones, stereo, car etc to their phone and that is all done with the 3.5mm jack. So, instead you will need yet another adapter that will either need an internal battery or more likely will draw power from the phone itself. Personally I see a lot of snapped off Lighting connectors in the future, because it's far more flimsy than the 3.5mm jack and any adapter will just add more leverage. Try sliding that contraption in your pants pocket and see how long it takes for it to break.

Also how are you going to charge the phone and listen to music at the same time? Do you need a splitter adapter for that? So, now you're carrying around two adapters? (plus the adapter for your single port MacBook). I doubt that Apple will add two lighting ports to the phone to solve that problem.

And here's another question. How long do you think the Lightning port is going to be around and what are you going to do with those very expensive Beats Lightning headphones you just bought 2 years from now when Apple moves to a different connector? Buy another adapter?

So, no matter how you slice this it's a phenominally stupid idea that in all likelyhood is going to backfire on them. Making millions of accessories obsolete in one fell swoop and only operable via a clumsy adapter is not going to endear Apple to their customers.

Well if that's the point, my point remains -- you think Apple hasn't thought of any of your questions, and haven't come up with solutions to mitigate the problem!?

For starters, why don't you show the data that shows 99% of the population are using 3.5mm headphone jacks daily in their lives, but specifically those that use the iPhone.

For the flip side of your "statistic" I'll give you this, which shows the opposite:

http://www.macnn.com/articles/16/01...o.ask.apple.shoppers.what.they.thought.131986

As for your FUD about an adapter that requires a battery, please elaborate the on why that would be so -- because it isn't.

Also, why don't you show studies about how the Lightning plugs will snap off. I have seen plenty of snapped off 3.5mm plugs in my lifetime, and up ruined equipment, because the plug extends so far into the equipment, but I'd never say that was a problem that plagued the plug. Again, you think Apple hasn't tested this, and would just release it untried into a half a billion customer base!? Really!?

Apple doesn't need to add two lightning ports to the phone to charge and listen at the same time. This is one of the dumbest memes on the Internet. Again you think Apple didn't think of this!? One of many solutions has been around since they invented the headphone jack.

And your FUD hit parade just keeps right on going ... Headphones will be platform agnostic. Most new headphones already come with detachable cables, including Beats. There will be no Lightning only headphones. If you move away from Lightning, you buy a new cable, or an adapter.

But again, I'll gurantee you Apple has done a lot more thinking about all this than you have.

 

[dk001]

Well if that's the point, my point remains -- you think Apple hasn't thought of any of your questions, and haven't come up with solutions to mitigate the problem!?

For starters, why don't you show the data that shows 99% of the population are using 3.5mm headphone jacks daily in their lives, but specifically those that use the iPhone.

For the flip side of your "statistic" I'll give you this, which shows the opposite:

http://www.macnn.com/articles/16/01...o.ask.apple.shoppers.what.they.thought.131986

As for your FUD about an adapter that requires a battery, please elaborate the on why that would be so -- because it isn't.

Also, why don't you show studies about how the Lightning plugs will snap off. I have seen plenty of snapped off 3.5mm plugs in my lifetime, and up ruined equipment, because the plug extends so far into the equipment, but I'd never say that was a problem that plagued the plug. Again, you think Apple hasn't tested this, and would just release it untried into a half a billion customer base!? Really!?

Apple doesn't need to add two lightning ports to the phone to charge and listen at the same time. This is one of the dumbest memes on the Internet. Again you think Apple didn't think of this!? One of many solutions has been around since they invented the headphone jack.

And your FUD hit parade just keeps right on going ... Headphones will be platform agnostic. Most new headphones already come with detachable cables, including Beats. There will be no Lightning only headphones. If you move away from Lightning, you buy a new cable, or an adapter.

But again, I'll gurantee you Apple has done a lot more thinking about all this than you have.

That "survey" is designed for a headline snippet. Not detailed nor expansive enough to be of any real analysis use. Yeah, I've done more than a few of those. Apple as far as I know does not use focus groups.

Fro some real data...

• You have all the 3.5 headsets that are sold with an iDevice.
• You have all the 3.5 headsets that are iDevice only.
• You have all the 3.5 headsets that are noniDevice only.
• You have all the 3.5 headsets sold that can be used with an iDevice. Proportionally factor in iDevice vs. NoniDevice.
• You have all the BT headsets sold that can be used with an iDevice. Proportionally factor in iDevice vs. NoniDevice.
• You have all the BT headsets sold that can ONLY be used with an iDevice.
• You have all the BT headsets sold that can NOT be used with an iDevice.

That would be a representative number. And no, I have no clue what that is. I highly suspect it isn't even close to what that survey showed.

 

[Hank Carter]

Well if that's the point, my point remains -- you think Apple hasn't thought of any of your questions, and haven't come up with solutions to mitigate the problem!?

Yes, their solution is selling you an adapter.

For starters, why don't you show the data that shows 99% of the population are using 3.5mm headphone jacks daily in their lives, but specifically those that use the iPhone.

Here's a simple experiment.

Go find the nearest person and tell them you are removing the headphone jack from their phone so they will no longer be able to listen to their music, unless they buy a new set of headphones or get an adapter they will have to carry around with them wherever they go.

See how well that goes over.

As for your FUD about an adapter that requires a battery, please elaborate the on why that would be so -- because it isn't.

You will need D/A circuitry, which needs to be powered. Hence your adapter will need to have it's own battery or it will have to draw power from the phone. So, your choice is to carry this around or buy a new set of Lightning headphones.

Also, why don't you show studies about how the Lightning plugs will snap off. I have seen plenty of snapped off 3.5mm plugs in my lifetime, and up ruined equipment, because the plug extends so far into the equipment, but I'd never say that was a problem that plagued the plug. Again, you think Apple hasn't tested this, and would just release it untried into a half a billion customer base!? Really!?

Let me see...., a little plastic tab vs metal.... the extra force / leverage enacted on the port of the phone from an adapter.... you know, physics in the real world.

Apple doesn't need to add two lightning ports to the phone to charge and listen at the same time. This is one of the dumbest memes on the Internet. Again you think Apple didn't think of this!? One of many solutions has been around since they invented the headphone jack.

Ok, smart guy if your headphones are connected to the only lighting jack on the phone how are you simultaneously going to charge the phone, unless Apple adds an additional power port or you get a splitter?

I'm dying to hear your answer.

I take you have seen the MacBook, with it's single USB-C connector? You can't charge it and have anything else plugged into it a the same time, unless you use their $80 adapter that splits out into multiple ports. Same line of thought here, so don't think that Apple won't go down that road.

And your FUD hit parade just keeps right on going ... Headphones will be platform agnostic. Most new headphones already come with detachable cables, including Beats. There will be no Lightning only headphones. If you move away from Lightning, you buy a new cable, or an adapter.

But again, I'll gurantee you Apple has done a lot more thinking about all this than you have.

I know this will come as a surprise to you, but Apple in not infallible and they have been known to make mistakes in the past.

 

[Mac 128]

Yes, their solution is selling you an adapter.




Here's a simple experiment.

Go find the nearest person and tell them you are removing the headphone jack from their phone so they will no longer be able to listen to their music, unless they buy a new set of headphones or get an adapter they will have to carry around with them wherever they go.

See how well that goes over.




You will need D/A circuitry, which needs to be powered. Hence your adapter will need to have it's own battery or it will have to draw power from the phone. So, your choice is to carry this around or buy a new set of Lightning headphones.

Let me see...., a little plastic tab vs metal.... the extra force / leverage enacted on the port of the phone from an adapter.... you know, physics in the real world.



Ok, smart guy if your headphones are connected to the only lighting jack on the phone how are you simultaneously going to charge the phone, unless Apple adds an additional power port or you get a splitter?

I'm dying to hear your answer.

I take you have seen the MacBook, with it's single USB-C connector? You can't charge it and have anything else plugged into it a the same time, unless you use their $80 adapter that splits out into multiple ports. Same line of thought here, so don't think that Apple won't go down that road.





I know this will come as a surprise to you, but Apple in not infallible and they have been known to make mistakes in the past.

You're an obvious troll pushing FUD with your own agenda. You don't even know what you're talking about most of the time (Lightning is a solid metal tab, not plastic). These questions have all been answered, and thought out by Apple well before your flawed observations. If you can't figure these things out on your own, then go back and read the thousands of posts that explain it to you. You've just landed on the ignore list.

 

[Gary Dee]

This makes no sense whatsoever, unless one assumes the 6 and 6+ models would be completed discontinued. Since this has not been Apple behavior in the past, why would they think it is happening now.
Bottom line: iPhone 6 screen protectors will still have a market.

 

[Tycho24]

You are assumig AGAIN too much, I am not mad and I also use Android (there's nothing wrong with that) and the compatison with other manufacturer is silly.

But again I must agree with you, I am very lucky my life is going so well (no sarcasm here just the plain truth!!!), and thank you for caring

Lol, well... In the future- when you use phrases like "it pisses me off", people will "assume" you're mad.
That's actually just how the English language works. We say things.... then they have the meaning ascribed to them. Like "pissed off" genuinely means "mad". I hope this all makes sense.
Your clarification actually confused me more... I don't know whether you're happy, pissed, melancholy, etc. apparently I can't go By what you tell me; because then you say I'm "assuming". It's all very strange- the way in which you communicate.
At any rate- the only thing that does seem clear to me is that you believe all other manufacturers can change every year & that does not "piss you off". It is ONLY Apple that must keep their phones EXACTLY the same for three years at a time for you, despite any physical change to the phone demanding it.
Have I pretty much got that right??
*scratches head*

 

[MaloCS]

That's right, the car of the future will be self driving. There won't be a steering wheel. Just like the headphones of the future will be wireless, they won't need a headphone jack. Switching the steering wheel to a joystick, or 3.5mm to Lightning isn't the point. You're missing the forest for the trees.

Nope! LOL Self driving consumer cars! LOL

There's no way people EVER cede driving of their car to a computer. Hell, 90% of the fun I have in my car is because I'm physically driving it! Driving a vehicle is a 100% analog experience, this is why force feedback had to be invented so fighter pilots could effectively control their new fly-by-wire jet airplanes way back in the 1960's.

When I drive my 2013 2SS, Hot Wheels Special Edition Camaro, I'm the one doing the driving, not some POS computer. I determine the throttle based upon several factors, all of which require an analog experience with the car. I need to feel the resistance of the steering, I need to feel the stickiness of the tires, I need to feel the firmness of the brakes, I just need to "feel" what my car is doing so I can control it. That my friend is what makes driving fun.

American's love their cars. We're modern day cowboys and our automobiles are our horses. The relationship we have with our cars is based upon freedom, the freedom to go anywhere and do anything. Giving away control to a computer contradicts that feeling of freedom, this is why I believe humans will never give up driving. We love it way too much!

 

[Tycho24]

Nope! LOL Self driving consumer cars! LOL

There's no way people EVER cede driving of their car to a computer. Hell, 90% of the fun I have in my car is because I'm physically driving it! Driving a vehicle is a 100% analog experience, this is why force feedback had to be invented so fighter pilots could effectively control their new fly-by-wire jet airplanes way back in the 1960's.

When I drive my 2013 2SS, Hot Wheels Special Edition Camaro, I'm the one doing the driving, not some POS computer. I determine the throttle based upon several factors, all of which require an analog experience with the car. I need to feel the resistance of the steering, I need to feel the stickiness of the tires, I need to feel the firmness of the brakes, I just need to "feel" what my car is doing so I can control it. That my friend is what makes driving fun.

American's love their cars. We're modern day cowboys and our automobiles are our horses. The relationship we have with our cars is based upon freedom, the freedom to go anywhere and do anything. Giving away control to a computer contradicts that feeling of freedom, this is why I believe humans will never give up driving. We love it way too much!

What about during some lame traffic jam, moving like 5 mph... would you enjoy safely posting on here all your thoughts about new Apple tech & not even having to glance at the hell you're in, while your bitchin, camaro slowly eeks you toward another stretch of non congested open road, so you can take over again??
Options sound GREAT to me!

 

[Hank Carter]

You're an obvious troll pushing FUD with your own agenda. You don't even know what you're talking about most of the time (Lightning is a solid metal tab, not plastic). These questions have all been answered, and thought out by Apple well before your flawed observations. If you can't figure these things out on your own, then go back and read the thousands of posts that explain it to you. You've just landed on the ignore list.

Good grief.

 

[sleepydinosaur]

a complete rethink? geez

Should I speak slower for you?