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Having bought iPhones yearly for the first half of their history and then every other year with the s models, all the glamour is gone. When this one quits I will look for something outside the Apple garden.

For me it's just tech fatigue. I can't remember the last gadget I was actually excited about after decades of nonstop innovation and things that actually impacted my life or fundamentally changed perception of the world.

Home gaming systems, personal computers, VHS, CD players, CD burners, MiniDiscs, digital cameras, Palm/Handspring, early smart phones, iPods, Wifi, iPhones, connected home audio, drones.

I'm really not interested in most IoT offerings especially in light of recent leaks.

Call me a Luddite or a grumpy grandpa, but now I just want to make my existing tech last as long as possible. It's a sad commentary that the thing I'm most interested in is a better mesh wifi system for my house
 
For me it's just tech fatigue. I can't remember the last gadget I was actually excited about after decades of nonstop innovation and things that actually impacted my life or fundamentally changed perception of the world.
Home gaming systems, personal computers, VHS, CD players, CD burners, MiniDiscs, digital cameras, Palm/Handspring, early smart phones, iPods, Wifi, iPhones, connected home audio, drones.
I'm really not interested in most IoT offerings especially in light of recent leaks.
Call me a Luddite or a grumpy grandpa, but now I just want to make my existing tech last as long as possible. It's a sad commentary that the thing I'm most interested in is a better mesh wifi system for my house
Sounds like a logical reaction when the company that leaded the tech world decided to merely milk it's loyal customers
 
Sounds like a logical reaction when the company that leaded the tech world decided to merely milk it's loyal customers
Perhaps. I have been expecting something great for years now. Keep hearing about exciting things in the pipeline.

But on the phone front, I'm certainly not bowled away by anything from Oppo, Samsung, Huawei, etc. they all just look like sad iPhone rip offs.

Currently using iPhone 6+, 6s+, and 7+. 7 definitely the best of the bunch but the differences are so slight I'm constantly picking up the wrong phone.
 
Are you confusing the global marketshare graph with the one for the UK?

Examining single country in this context is not very beficial in understanding the wider issue. What's the point of examine a single market other than presenting positive figures? UK has by far the best iOS penetration in Europe. Android in Europe has over 75% market share and iOS under 19%. Android is gaining market share while iOS has declining market share. This trend is alarming since in 2015 iOS had over 20% market share in Europe.
 
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Perhaps. I have been expecting something great for years now. Keep hearing about exciting things in the pipeline.
But on the phone front, I'm certainly not bowled away by anything from Oppo, Samsung, Huawei, etc. they all just look like sad iPhone rip offs.
Currently using iPhone 6+, 6s+, and 7+. 7 definitely the best of the bunch but the differences are so slight I'm constantly picking up the wrong phone.
Similar here.
Having a MBAir, a iP6 jailbroken on iOS9 and a 6S on iOS10 - always grabbing the first.
Patiently waiting for Tim to realize that an outdated computershop it is even less profitable than a regular one...
 
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Of course the best answer is to counter with some ad-Homs or insults. Well done.:rolleyes:
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Sounds like a logical reaction when the company that leaded the tech world decided to merely milk it's loyal customers
Looking at the revenue by year since 2013 doesn't jive with this statement.
 
So 'Edition' would be the high end model, and 'Special Edition' would be the low end model.

Sure, that would make a ton of sense.
 
It was way cooler back when Apple just had ONE version of the iPhone (but in different storage capacities and with black and white options). Such simpler times! Now it's like they're trying to confuse their customers by having so many different versions... Ugh!
Totally agree. Apple is fragmenting their product line big time. Not just with iphones....but look at the Macbook and Macbook pros....the ports are different. There is no consistency in the product offerings.
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$1500 for 32 GBs storage, $1750 for 256.
yeah soon it will be the same price for iphones and macbooks and macbook pros.....
 
Totally agree. Apple is fragmenting their product line big time. Not just with iphones....but look at the Macbook and Macbook pros....the ports are different. There is no consistency in the product offerings.
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yeah soon it will be the same price for iphones and macbooks and macbook pros.....
And fwiw, people will pay the price. How many they sell at what price points will be interesting to know.
 
And fwiw, people will pay the price. How many they sell at what price points will be interesting to know.
and fwiw....imagine....walking into an Apple store...how much is the new macbook? Starting at $1800...how much for the new iphone...starting at $1800....oh how much for the new imac? Starting at $1800.
Can I plug my new iphone into my Macbook...well....not exactly. You will need a special adapter.
 
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Having bought iPhones yearly for the first half of their history and then every other year with the s models, all the glamour is gone. When this one quits I will look for something outside the Apple garden.
To all the people saying you want to quit the Apple ecosystem,

Don't tell me you will do it.

Just go ahead and do it.

You will be happier with a device which presumably better suits your needs, and we will all be better off with less whining here.
 
I doubt that. With an edition model Apple could have a premium device that they could update every year along side the non-edition iPhone. With the profit margins. And once some one goes edition one year. They will keep upgrading to the new edition model. I'm curious to how many series 0 Apple watch edition owners updated to edition series 2.

But I could be wrong

Creating a "premium" device with all the cool features would mean the "normal" version would look mediocre which would only lead more people to move over to other devices. Let's face it, there aren't that many features they could afford to put only on the premium model without making the lower version seem really outdated these days. They're struggling as it is.

Raising the price from the current top model much further doesn't make sense. The best ones already cost 1,5 times as much as the competition without offering much in return. iOS was way ahead of the competition at some point, not so much these days.

I do hope they come up with something reasonable. It'd help if iPhone had a memory card slot instead of having to pay hundreds of dollars for extra memory to fit even some of your data on the device.
 
Creating a "premium" device with all the cool features would mean the "normal" version would look mediocre which would only lead more people to move over to other devices. Let's face it, there aren't that many features they could afford to put only on the premium model without making the lower version seem really outdated these days. They're struggling as it is.

Raising the price from the current top model much further doesn't make sense. The best ones already cost 1,5 times as much as the competition without offering much in return. iOS was way ahead of the competition at some point, not so much these days.

I do hope they come up with something reasonable. It'd help if iPhone had a memory card slot instead of having to pay hundreds of dollars for extra memory to fit even some of your data on the device.
Car manufacturers have primed the public on the concept of "premium". Personally I wouldn't leave Apple because they have a premium model. I would buy what I want (not need)
 
I do hope they come up with something reasonable. It'd help if iPhone had a memory card slot instead of having to pay hundreds of dollars for extra memory to fit even some of your data on the device.

I would disagree with the memory slot and I think its a pain trying to remember whats on what card and remembering to put apps or pictures where, its not a user friendly solution. It would be better just to make each bump in storage much cheaper.
 
I certainly hope that if they want to continue the edition thing and rape fools with more money than sense that they do it like the watch. Offer exotic materials for the chassis or even screen types. But as far as core functionality, features and form factor all the new offerings need to be similar. People will be royally pissed off if they have an IP7S, 7S+ with a simple speed bump and MP increased camera and an EDITION with a completely differnt feature set. The potential for folks to say screw you and wait for another iteration is high unless they need a new phone. IMO they are making a killing because people want to upgrade and can do so at an affordable price point. Change that and their business model may take a huge hit. They need to keep people from realizing that they don't need the new products.
 
this is why samsung is a good option as 64GB of storage plus 256GB SD card is a good option
Well, Samsung isn't the only option in town that has micro SD cards. However, I assume you may mean "as one of the options", so I'd digress in that case. Yeah, for my first smartphone.. Samsung Galaxy s2, I would've liked a phone with more than 16 GB of internal storage. However, popping in a 64 GB uSD card alleviated a lot of space concerns, as 15 GB of photographs, video, and multimedia simply came from that.


I can afford it for a few more years until my daughter starts college. But that doesn't mean I will be comfortable walking around with something that costly and fragile. My iPhone 7 Plus 256 GB was really pushing it.

I really do make use of the 128-256 GB capacity so I am having to start opening my mind to the different options in the Android world that offer expandable SD storage or generous specs at lower costs like the OnePlus 3T and possibly the LG G6.

Even the Samsungs are starting to get too expensive, unless you get a good deal.

I'd hate to move away from iOS because it definitely has some advantages I'd miss. Fortunely Apple got it right on my 7 Plus and I'm finally happy with the camera enough that I feel comfortable keeping it for two years. Unlike the single year I allotted to the 6 Plus and 6S Plus. My 6Plus was a dud. My 6S Plus was almost perfect as a smart phone, but I was never satisfied with the camera. I am totally satisfied with the 7Plus camera and the phone itself.
That's also what's been perturbing me the past few years... is that Samsung phones are right up there, in the $800-ish range, right alongside with the latest iPhones. TBF fair, both models are premium in their own right, and I don't doubt that they won't be worth it to some folks. To me, I just can't justify spending more than $300 for a phone, but I still want something with a decent feature set (so not going back to a dumb flip phone). A $220 used LG G4 has surprisingly far exceeded my expectations. Yet, it feels like a $650 phone. I bought a spare battery and spare battery charging case for $20, and assuming I don't break the phone, the 2 batteries should last me for enough years to come. Otherwise, I'll look into buying a new battery.
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To all the people saying you want to quit the Apple ecosystem,

Don't tell me you will do it.

Just go ahead and do it.

You will be happier with a device which presumably better suits your needs, and we will all be better off with less whining here.
I'd imagine some folks would like to come back. After all, the same fervor and passion that got folks to try out and stick with Apple is what's leading to these complaints. You really can't have one without the other.

Unless the MR Terms Of Service forbids users from saying anything negative about any Apple product, then we are allowed to be posting such things. One could ask you to just ignore such posts, and to stop whining yourself (as you're whining about the whining). [shrug]
 
It is not going to ship "well past September". For lots of reasons. Not the least of which is the 4th quarter numbers for Apple.

Apple locked themselves into an annual release when they embraced Upgrade Plans. With the nature of these plans, a user must upgrade at the 12 month mark, or they are forced to continue paying installments needlessly for a device they plan to trade in. Worst of all, when next year's device arrives back on schedule, they again behind the 8 ball and must pay up additional months to cover the remaining installments to the 12 month mark.

In short, they have no choice but to release the product every September...or face angry users who have to pay for September and October (or longer?) for their old phone, both this year AND next. You're talking about potentially $100 - $200 additional out of pocket for a user, as a result of Apple "being late".

Nope, not happening.
 
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hmmmmm, guess I'll give that 7S a miss f that is the case.
Hate my current SE though :(
What do you hate about your SE? Depending on which rumors turn out to be true, there still might be a worthy upgrade in 2017 that won't break the bank. Meanwhile what is keeping you from considering the iPhone 7 or 7 Plus? Initially the torrent of complaints about quality control issues scared me off, but we now have three iPhone 7 Pluses in the family and they are all identical in terms of quality and are good. I've been cautioned about troubles with Intel modems but our family got unlocked Qualcomm ones.
 
Android in Europe has over 75% market share and iOS under 19%. Android is gaining market share while iOS has declining market share. This trend is alarming since in 2015 iOS had over 20% market share in Europe.
My point was that as smartphone sales in poorer countries represent a larger piece of the pie, Android is bound to increase its global marketshare. Thus, the fact that Apple's global market share is only slightly declining means that it actually is increasing its marketshare in some rich countries.
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Ah. Check your post. It might have the UK chart posted twice.
It did have it twice for a couple of minutes until I realised the error. Maybe some of that got cached for longer. Also the link at the bottom of the page (and thus below the UK chart) was for the global chart. I only posted one link, since the link to the UK chart was directly below the global chart on the page I linked to (and after I had perused that site for too long, I put up a force-signup window and I couldn't get to the UK chart page anymore to copy that link as well).
 
Uhhh, so it might be called the "Apple EDITION iPhone edition"?

I'm so confused! Ohhh wait, that's what Apple wants; confused sheep. Ok then, I'll take 2 of whatever it's called! Lol!
 
Apple better produce the legit innovative iPhone successor without it being relegated to elite/unobtainium status. If they fumble this one it's gonna really p*** a whole lot of people off. There would be no reason for this other than, like Steve Jobs said....somewhat prophetically, GREED.
 
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