iPhone 8 Exclusive: Apple's New Design 'Confirmed'

[9594864]

Your entire post assumes: speaker = speaker = speaker.

There are large differences in speakers other than power output. Having two speakers in the bottom means the audio signal can be split into separate bandwidths. The lows and the highs no longer mingle. Same reason why speakers are separated into woofer, midrange, and tweeter.

Yes, but the left would be tiny compared to the right. And it would have a minute chamber for sound amplification
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My iPhone 4s has a flush camera. So does my iPhone 5. The 5s does as well. So does the iPhone SE.

How about the Huawei P10+?

PS. I prefer the feel of my 5 in my hand over the 6s+. But again, that's just me.

You're speaking of thicker and SMALLER devices. See, when you have a smaller device, thickness is of less concern for holding the device and using it comfortably. When you have gigantic devices such as your 6s Plus, you need them to be thinner so your reach is greater across the device's face and back. Allowing you to hold it more easily. Moreover, you're talking about devices that have far worse cameras due to far fewer lenses primarily, but also fewer megapixels. The P10 thing I don't know anything about, but that camera split into two separate entities is maybe the worst looking thing ever on a smartphone.

 

[JPack]

Yes, but the left would be tiny compared to the right. And it would have a minute chamber for sound amplification
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Same fallacy. You're thinking: sound = sound = sound.

Low frequency waves require much more movement of air. High frequency does not. Same reason why you see 1" tweeters and 12" woofers.

 

[Smeaton1724]

Hopefully we'll get a gloss white one to rival the gloss black, possibly ceramic to compliment the watch.

 

[blairh]

A larger home button makes no sense unless Touch ID will be used with it.

 

[LoveToMacRumors]

A larger home button makes no sense unless Touch ID will be used with it.

True, but it also makes no sense to put touch id on the power button and a year later put it back in the front

 

[9594864]

Same fallacy. You're thinking: sound = sound = sound.

Low frequency waves require much more movement of air. High frequency does not. Same reason why you see 1" tweeters and 12" woofers.

Your thinking is that Apple would place two different types of speakers into a tiny mobile device....
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A larger home button makes no sense unless Touch ID will be used with it.

Or it could be two different contact points... We don't know that the button isn't a rocker style button.

 

[JPack]

Your thinking is that Apple would place two different types of speakers into a tiny mobile device....

I'm just countering your assertion on pg. 1: "two speakers in the bottom does virtually nothing" - when there are plenty of obvious benefits for two (or more) speakers.

 

[9594864]

I'm just countering your assertion on pg. 1: "two speakers in the bottom does virtually nothing" - when there are plenty of obvious benefits for two (or more) speakers.

There are not due to the size of said speakers and their relative proximity.

 

[Apple_Robert]

After reading Forbes' clickbait, the design is not actually confirmed, just more fancy speculation.

 

[JPack]

Or it could be two different contact points... We don't know that the button isn't a rocker style button.

Based on Apple's design philosophy of minimizing the number of physical switches and going for software control, I think it's very unlikely. It looks too small to be rocker.

Let's look at the design considerations. Why would one side be rocker style while the volume switch isn't? Why have a brand new configurable "function area" on this new iPhone and then add a last century dedicated button?

 

[9594864]

Based on Apple's design philosophy of minimizing the number of physical switches and going for software control, I think it's very unlikely. It looks too small to be rocker.

Let's look at the design considerations. Why would one side be rocker style while the volume switch isn't? Why have a brand new configurable "function area" on this new iPhone and then add a last century dedicated button?

You definitely would NOT separate buttons on both sides. It would look profoundly hideous. That is why it would be a rocker. Secondly, it would mean the power is intrinsically tied to the other functionality.

A last century button? Oh dear. No button is 'last century'. Buttons are intelligent design. They give a human a sense of feeling for knowledge of placement. It's exactly WHY there will always be volume buttons.

The home button is replaced because of screen, that is all. Water resistance and damage are only minor benefits of this change. Period.

I already explained earlier why accessibility users need a physical sense of button placement. Therefore the home button may be able to be switched to this for the handicapped.

 

[44267547]

Your thinking is that Apple would place two different types of speakers into a tiny mobile device....

What JPack is saying There are significant differences in speakers besides external power output . Multiple speakers At the base of the iPhone means the audio signal can be separated into two different entities. The low speaker utilizes more Air, which allows more play. Having additional speakers isn't a drawback, where they have potential to offer more than nothing as you originally stated. Apple offers more functionally with features over not having advantages for the sake of engineering.

 

[9594864]

What JPack is saying There are significant differences in speakers besides external power output . Multiple speakers At the base of the iPhone means the audio signal can be separated into two different entities. The low speaker utilizes more Air, which allows more play. Having additional speakers isn't a drawback, where they have potential to offer more than nothing as you originally stated. Apple offers more functionally over not having advantages for the sake of engineering.

No. What I told him was factual. Speakers in these devices have no discernible differences due to those size. One cannot have more cavity than the other assuming the larger lower speaker is split into two at the bottom. The only reasonApple would do this, as I already said, is for internal space. See they NEED the right side of the device for the second battery cell. This means they'd split the single at the bottom into two identical but separated speakers on either side of the lightning port.

 

[blairh]

True, but it also makes no sense to put touch id on the power button and a year later put it back in the front

Unless they can't do it this year it does.
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Your thinking is that Apple would place two different types of speakers into a tiny mobile device....
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Or it could be two different contact points... We don't know that the button isn't a rocker style button.

 

[9594864]

Unless they can't do it this year it does.
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No. Think about that for a moment before saying it's a good idea. Think about confusing hundreds of millions of users. Think about Apple Pay confusion. Think about general mqssive decline of ease-of-use.

These are the things Apple engineers think about.

 

[44267547]

No. What I told him was factual. Speakers in these devices have no discernible differences due to those size. One cannot have more cavity than the other assuming the larger lower speaker is split into two at the bottom. The only reasonApple would do this, as I already said, is for internal space. See they NEED the right side of the device for the second battery cell. This means they'd split the single at the bottom into two identical but separated speakers on either side of the lightning port.

I understand what you're saying. However...

So, how do you explain this quote you stated on Page 1/Post #19:

Infiniverse48 quoted:

"Two speakers in the bottom does virtually nothing."

That's an anecdotal assertion. If you're saying Apple engineers "think" about the functionality of an iPhone and or the user in mind, then why would Apple place a superficial cosmetic feature on the iPhone? You're contradicting self somewhat by saying one thing and then suggesting another that two speakers virtually do nothing. I can't say that it wouldn't do, because that's not how Apple designed it, but none the less it doesn't suggest it wouldn't be otherwise unrelated if it were designed to have both bottom speakers functional.

 

[KeanosMagicHat]

This Is primarily how I think the new iPhone will look. I think the cut out at the top of the display is highly likely and a vertical camera is almost a guarantee at this point.

The Most interesting thing I find about this new iPhone is the elongated power button. If Apple was able to integrate touch ID into the power button, this will be a nice workaround until they can eventually (If ever) be embed the Home button under the display. I think it's safe to say the Home button will not be on the back of the iPhone.

Apple already have a patent secured for relocating TouchID to the power button should they opt to.

When I read this article yesterday, I imagined what this would be like and decided it's my 2nd favourite option after under screen.

If a person is right handed, you could easily use power button Touch ID with your Right Thumb or Index Finger depending how you're holding your phone at the time, or even your Left Index Finger if you are holding the phone in your left hand.

I could live with that for now.

Especially as I don't believe I'll ever be convinced that Facial Recognition is as secure as a Fingerprint.

 

[9594864]

I understand what you're saying. However...

So, how do you explain this quote you stated on Page 1/Post #19:

Infiniverse48 quoted:

"Two speakers in the bottom does virtually nothing."

That's an anecdotal assertion. If you're saying Apple engineers "think" about the functionality of an iPhone and or the user in mind, then why would Apple place a superficial cosmetic feature on the iPhone? You're contradicting self somewhat by saying one thing and then suggesting another that two speakers virtually do nothing. I can't say that it wouldn't do, because that's not how Apple designed it, but none the less it doesn't suggest it wouldn't be otherwise unrelated if it were designed to have both bottom speakers functional.

The reason Apple put holes on the other side is two-fold. The second microphone on the bottom of the phone goes on the left for noise cancelation. Therefore it needs a hole on the left side. A single hole on the left side looks far far worse aesthetically. They made it look symmetrical which is just the obvious design choice... moreover, they use it for the barometric sensor now as well.

Dual speakers on the bottom has a use,I just meant it has no good use for anything aside from internal space savings potentially.
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Apple already have a patent secured for relocating TouchID to the power button should they opt to.

When I read this article yesterday, I imagined what this would be like and decided it's my 2nd favourite option after under screen.

If a person is right handed, you could easily use power button Touch ID with your Right Thumb or Index Finger depending how you're holding your phone at the time, or even your Left Index Finger if you are holding the phone in your left hand.

I could live with that for now.

Especially as I don't believe I'll ever be convinced that Facial Recognition is as secure as a Fingerprint.

I would only believe Apple is abondoning or relocating Touch ID if I saw Apple unveil the phone with this change. It's exceedingly unlikely. Touch ID and its location are staying just as the Home Button is. These are now fundamental features and known by hundreds of millions of users.

 

[KeanosMagicHat]

I would only believe Apple is abondoning or relocating Touch ID if I saw Apple unveil the phone with this change. It's exceedingly unlikely. Touch ID and its location are staying just as the Home Button is. These are now fundamental features and known by hundreds of millions of users.

I've read your posts on this and I know you're convinced that is the case - I really hope you're correct as that would be the ideal for most people.

If there are delays, however, don't underestimate the power of the stock market on Apple's decision making these days. That might just push them to release without it and pitch Facial Recognition as the alternative - or to relocate TouchID as this thread is speculating.

 

[LoveToMacRumors]

Apple already have a patent secured for relocating TouchID to the power button should they opt to.

When I read this article yesterday, I imagined what this would be like and decided it's my 2nd favourite option after under screen.

If a person is right handed, you could easily use power button Touch ID with your Right Thumb or Index Finger depending how you're holding your phone at the time, or even your Left Index Finger if you are holding the phone in your left hand.

I could live with that for now.

Especially as I don't believe I'll ever be convinced that Facial Recognition is as secure as a Fingerprint.

Marketing wise, it would be a terrible move. Think at the keynote, they have to sell it to us that the TouchID on the power button is AMAZING, REVOLUTIONARY, WORKS FLAWLESSLY, CONVENIENT, EASE OF USE.

It's like with the headphone jack, can you believe what would happen if on the 7S, the headphone jack makes comeback, everyone would be like wtf.

They can't do a business model where on that ONE phone, they put the touchID on the power button, and never ever again in the future... If touch ID is on the power button, except the 2018 iPhone to have the same touchID emplacement.

 

[44267547]

Especially as I don't believe I'll ever be convinced that Facial Recognition is as secure as a Fingerprint.

I actually think Iris scanning will be the primary form of security once it matures enough, which we could see more potential from this security feature soon. The iris is the colored pattern part of your eye. It is developed when you're one approximately a year old, and eye injury or death, supposedly never changes after the fact. Fingerprints can likely be duplicated one out of 50,000 as where Iris scanning is more similar to one out of 1 million. It uses infrared and a camera to detect the Iris.

Iris scanning is also expected to be 5 to 6 times more secure than a fingerprint, because it contains more unique information about you and makes it highly more accurate than fingerprint scanning.

I think finger print sensors will eventually be replaced by Iris scanning in the mere future. Fingerprints have a vector map of where unique prints are located. Which would include unique patterns of the fingerprint with whorls, forks, islands, which can be duplicated none the less.

 

[JPack]

You definitely would NOT separate buttons on both sides. It would look profoundly hideous. That is why it would be a rocker. Secondly, it would mean the power is intrinsically tied to the other functionality.

A last century button? Oh dear. No button is 'last century'. Buttons are intelligent design. They give a human a sense of feeling for knowledge of placement. It's exactly WHY there will always be volume buttons.

The home button is replaced because of screen, that is all. Water resistance and damage are only minor benefits of this change. Period.

I already explained earlier why accessibility users need a physical sense of button placement. Therefore the home button may be able to be switched to this for the handicapped.

Apple removed the Home button and is going to introduce a rocker power button? A dual function rocker where the user could easily trigger the wrong function? For a feature that has to be invoked so often it needs its own button?

Double tap to wake or Force Touch to wake makes far more sense for handicapped users.

Please propose a strong theory of what this feature X is before trying to convince everyone it's a rocker button.

The phrase "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" comes to mind.

 

[blairh]

We don't know that the button isn't a rocker style button.

No chance.

 

[GreenPea]

I am not crazy about the camera bump either. Furthermore, I had the Google Pixel for a couple of weeks recently and absolutely loved the fingerprint Home button in the middle of the back of the phone. It felt like the most natural place to have it. When I picked up the phone, my finger naturally landed right on the scanner. And please Apple, don't make this new phone as LONG as that Samsung Galaxy S8.... way too LONG.

 

[9594864]

I've read your posts on this and I know you're convinced that is the case - I really hope you're correct as that would be the ideal for most people.

If there are delays, however, don't underestimate the power of the stock market on Apple's decision making these days. That might just push them to release without it and pitch Facial Recognition as the alternative - or to relocate TouchID as this thread is speculating.

I think facial recognition could be better, but as others have stated previously, you get into problems with speed and oblique angles. By speed I mean a user can have the phone unlocked during their pulling it out of their pocket

Apple removed the Home button and is going to introduce a rocker power button? A dual function rocker where the user could easily trigger the wrong function? For a feature that has to be invoked so often it needs its own button?

Double tap to wake or Force Touch to wake makes far more sense for handicapped users.

Please propose a strong theory of what this feature X is before trying to convince everyone it's a rocker button.

The phrase "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" comes to mind.

Umm. I obviously mean handicapped wherein the individual needs tactile sensation to be able to accurately use said feature. See, when you have a perfectly flush piece of glass with no tactile button location as in the rumored new iPhone, that presents major accessibility issues.

This button would not at all act as the Home Button. The Home Button is at the bottom face of the device, where it always has been, and always will be. This is called an accessibility feature. Categorically different. And I'm not saying the button is for only accessibility either.

What I can tell you is that in leaked schematics of the case, which is where we get the elongated power button in the first place, there are two points of contact. Not one.