iPhone 8 Exclusive: Apple's New Design 'Confirmed'

[JPack]

Umm. I obviously mean handicapped wherein the individual needs tactile sensation to be able to accurately use said feature. See, when you have a perfectly flush piece of glass with no tactile button location as in the rumored new iPhone, that presents major accessibility issues.

This button would not at all act as the Home Button. The Home Button is at the bottom face of the device, where it always has been, and always will be. This is called an accessibility feature. Categorically different. And I'm not saying the button is for only accessibility either.

What I can tell you is that in leaked schematics of the case, which is where we get the elongated power button in the first place, there are two points of contact. Not one.

Let's see:

1) Finding + pressing rocker switch with a surface area of less than 0.1 sq inch (which requires pinching the phone with one hand or using both hands).

or

2) Double tapping or Force Touching anywhere on a piece of glass with an area of nearly 13 sq inches.

I'm interested to know what kind of handicap requires a tactile response that a rocker button can provide but the Taptic Engine is unable to. And for this type of disability, what proportion of population it represents.

I'm ignoring the fact that the OLED iPhone is expected to have cameras that can do facial recognition - which likely means it can recognize gestures.

 

[MrX8503]

My iPhone 4s has a flush camera. So does my iPhone 5. The 5s does as well. So does the iPhone SE.

How about the Huawei P10+?

PS. I prefer the feel of my 5 in my hand over the 6s+. But again, that's just me.

Then BUY THOSE PHONES and leave the iPhone 8 for the rest of us.

 

[eyoungren]

Then BUY THOSE PHONES and leave the iPhone 8 for the rest of us.

Did you read my post?

I own two of the three I named already. I don't need to go out and buy the 4s and the 5.

That said, I'm only looking at the third phone if Apple doesn't change things.

If they don't, you get what you wish. But if they do and I like it, what do I get?

 

[MrX8503]

Did you read my post?

I own two of the three I named already. I don't need to go out and buy the 4s and the 5.

That said, I'm only looking at the third phone if Apple doesn't change things.

If they don't, you get what you wish. But if they do and I like it, what do I get?

You're using very old phones, so the iPhone 8 is not for you. If you believe the look trumps all, the more power to you and enjoy using your old phones or another Android phone.

 

[eyoungren]

You're using very old phones, so the iPhone 8 is not for you. If you believe the look trumps all, the more power to you and enjoy using your old phones or another Android phone.

Those are my secondary phones.

My primary phone is a 6s+.

Almost two years old but the reason I wouldn't buy the 8 (or whatever it will be called) is the same reason I didn't buy the 7.

I've only been contemplating the P10 Plus just recently.

Which doesn't mean I like Android, just the look of that phone.

PS. The pics taken of the 4s and 5 were with my iPhone 6s+ and the pics of the 6s+ were taken with my iPad Air 2.

 

[jimbo1mcm]

One of the selling points for me in my purchase of the Ip7 was the dual speakers. The speaker in the top isn't bad. It does provide a louder volume for calls and media. I would hope Apple would keep or improve sound output.

 

[Ralfi]

One of the selling points for me in my purchase of the Ip7 was the dual speakers. The speaker in the top isn't bad. It does provide a louder volume for calls and media. I would hope Apple would keep or improve sound output.

Speaker quality on a phone used to be a big thing for me. Being able to listen to a call whilst doing other stuff (& not liking corded earbuds) was handy.

Airpods changed all that. Now speaker quality is low on my list.

 

[9594864]

Let's see:

1) Finding + pressing rocker switch with a surface area of less than 0.1 sq inch (which requires pinching the phone with one hand or using both hands).

or

2) Double tapping or Force Touching anywhere on a piece of glass with an area of nearly 13 sq inches.

I'm interested to know what kind of handicap requires a tactile response that a rocker button can provide but the Taptic Engine is unable to. And for this type of disability, what proportion of population it represents.

I'm ignoring the fact that the OLED iPhone is expected to have cameras that can do facial recognition - which likely means it can recognize gestures.

Face palm.

Some handicapped individuals need tactile feel due to vision problems. It's really not that hard to understand sir....

I'm not sure how you are assuming that the home Button is not 'anywhere on a piece of glass', but it most definitely is not..... the home Button is on the bottom face of the device in a new Touchbar-type interface..... that's just obvious and requires next to no thought.

Double tapping for the home button couldn't be a worse idea and it doesn't give anyone a tactile feel of where it is on the face which is the very bottom of the display. Not sure how you aren't a part of the group of everyone that knows that the rumors say the home Button is now virtual. This means that you can't feel it in case you needed to know. This means that on the bottom face of the device with the perfectly flush glass, a handicapped person wouldn't be able to see or feel it. Following yet?

The Taptic Engine is categorically useless here. The Taptic Engine provides feedback AFTER action, not before.

And finally, facial recognition to recognize gestures is just hilariously un-Apple. You actually believe you'll be able to wink at your phone to do things? Hah

 

[KeanosMagicHat]

. . . Fingerprints can likely be duplicated one out of 50,000 . . . .

Whilst I have no reason to doubt the rest of your post - this part is not true.

Everyone has unique fingerprints, even twins that are identical in every other way, including their DNA sequences, do not have the same fingerprints.

That makes any sophisticated authentication system based upon the fingerprint extremely secure.

 

[MrX8503]

Those are my secondary phones.

My primary phone is a 6s+.

oh look, it has a camera bump.

 

[JPack]

Face palm.

Some handicapped individuals need tactile feel due to vision problems. It's really not that hard to understand sir....

I'm not sure how you are assuming that the home Button is not 'anywhere on a piece of glass', but it most definitely is not..... the home Button is on the bottom face of the device in a new Touchbar-type interface..... that's just obvious and requires next to no thought.

Double tapping for the home button couldn't be a worse idea and it doesn't give anyone a tactile feel of where it is on the face which is the very bottom of the display. Not sure how you aren't a part of the group of everyone that knows that the rumors say the home Button is now virtual. This means that you can't feel it in case you needed to know. This means that on the bottom face of the device with the perfectly flush glass, a handicapped person wouldn't be able to see or feel it. Following yet?

The Taptic Engine is categorically useless here. The Taptic Engine provides feedback AFTER action, not before.

And finally, facial recognition to recognize gestures is just hilariously un-Apple. You actually believe you'll be able to wink at your phone to do things? Hah

It doesn't seem like you understand that Taptic Engine provides tactile feedback and can do so before someone taps on an object.

Nor do you understand that a voice assistant like Siri is the best alternative for those with vision problems.

I'm definitely bookmarking this thread and bumping it up in September to see how wrong you are. I've never seen someone so hilariously wrong about something. LOL.

 

[44267547]

Whilst I have no reason to doubt the rest of your post - this part is not true.

Everyone has unique fingerprints, even twins that are identical in every other way, including their DNA sequences, do not have the same fingerprints.

That makes any sophisticated authentication system based upon the fingerprint extremely secure.

I'm not sure why that's even worth addressing about the 1 out of 50,000? That was never stated as fact (As I stated "Likely"), it's more of a hypothetical ratio. Similarly to what I said the Iris could be duplicated around 1 out of million (Which anyone could question this as well). How would you expect someone logically to prove those numbers? Of course they could be questioned, but it's the logitistics behind it the added security that secures the Iris highly secure, and will one day, be the primary.

The point I was making is the Iris is highly unique about you, and it contains more unique identifiers about you over the fingerprint. That is fact and that's what I was attempting to address on my first post.

As well as I mentioned fingerprints have identifiers with whorls, forks and islands. But fingerprints can't be duplicated, which doesn't make fingerprint scanning extremely secure as Iris scanning is. All because the Iris is so intricate and specific to you.

Additionally, even government agencies in my area, don't even opt to use fingerprint sensing and use Iris scanning as a primary. Because it's that's much more secure over a fingerprint.

Lastly, fingerprinting is secure, nor was it suggested that it's not, but it will be eventually phaseout with a stronger, more formidable security solution with Iris scanning.

 

[eyoungren]

oh look, it has a camera bump.

Yes it does.

And don't think I don't think it's fugly either. Because I do.

The ONLY reason I have the phone is because of a series of events in 2015 involving Sprint and T-Mobile.

I did NOT buy the device because I wanted it.

 

[9594864]

It doesn't seem like you understand that Taptic Engine provides tactile feedback and can do so before someone taps on an object.

Nor do you understand that a voice assistant like Siri is the best alternative for those with vision problems.

I'm definitely bookmarking this thread and bumping it up in September to see how wrong you are. I've never seen someone so hilariously wrong about something. LOL.

Guy, when you're categorically misunderstanding something, just let it go, don't embarrass yourself further.

It's priceless you think the Taptic Engine would be used preemptively. More so that you believe Siri would be the best methodology for vision impaired. Great stuff. Can't wait to see the Taptic Engine preempt actions and Siri to take over accessibility for this iPhone. We'll see about that.

 

[RadioGaGa1984]

If this is true, I will say no yet again.

Fugly camera bump. Not why I pay hundreds of dollars for a phone. Looks like a part you'd find in an old Erector set.

I don't pay hundreds of dollars for the look of the iphone either. It's everything else. Looks are the least important feature.

 

[eyoungren]

I don't pay hundreds of dollars for the look of the iphone either. It's everything else. Looks are the least important feature.

Not for me.

 

[deuxani]

I don't pay hundreds of dollars for the look of the iphone either. It's everything else. Looks are the least important feature.

I do care about the looks of the phone, next to the OS it's running and how it feels in the hand. However, I really don't care about the back of the phone as I never ever look at it (and why should I). I also therefore don't understand why people are so obsessed with the back of a device, you almost never see it or look at it. It's always funny how renders and leaks are always focussed on the back of the device, while 99,999% of the time you are looking at the display.

And in the real world I have never heard anybody complain about the camera protrusion of the current iPhones, this is just something some techies on forums have issues with.

 

[RadioGaGa1984]

These camera bumps aren't going anywhere anytime soon. So people who don't like them are... as they say SOL

 

[eyoungren]

I do care about the looks of the phone, next to the OS it's running and how it feels in the hand. However, I really don't care about the back of the phone as I never ever look at it (and why should I). I also therefore don't understand why people are so obsessed with the back of a device, you almost never see it or look at it. It's always funny how renders and leaks are always focussed on the back of the device, while 99,999% of the time you are looking at the display.

Each of us uses our devices differently and has different opinions about it.

I handle and use my device differently than you do. That said, more than one person on MacRumors has mentioned that they place their phones face down on surfaces. That means they see the back of the phone most of the time.

Neither of us is incorrect.

And in the real world I have never heard anybody complain about the camera protrusion of the current iPhones, this is just something some techies on forums have issues with.

So you're saying that because you've never heard it in your part of the real world it's therefore an invalid complaint that has no merit? I.e., since other people aren't bothered by it the rest of us shouldn't be? Majority rules? Adapt and get back in line with the majority opinion? The majority knows what's best for you?

That's what I'm hearing anyway in that comment. Am I wrong?
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These camera bumps aren't going anywhere anytime soon. So people who don't like them are... as they say SOL

Yeah, probably am.

It will have been a nice run. I came from Windows Mobile to iPhone and I have no ties to Apple's ecosystem as the Macs I use can't use their services (PowerBooks and PowerMacs). So, leaving won't be an issue.

It's unfortunate but I'm not so bound to Apple I won't leave no matter what.

 

[michael9891]

While I don't have a problem with iPhone camera bump, having it flush would look so much better. But Apple are too concerned with making the rest of the phone slimmer and lighter.

It'll never happen but I'd much prefer a slightly thicker and heavier iPhone with a nice flush camera and bigger battery (or whatever else that's useful they could fit inside).

 

[9594864]

While I don't have a problem with iPhone camera bump, having it flush would look so much better. But Apple are too concerned with making the rest of the phone slimmer and lighter.

It'll never happen but I'd much prefer a slightly thicker and heavier iPhone with a nice flush camera and bigger battery (or whatever else that's useful they could fit inside).

Or if you actually held that thicker device you'd hurl it against a brick wall because it's absolute garbage being that thick and heavy.

See this is the thing humans do (and I'm one so I'm not excluding myself, just pointing it out), they jump to conclusions without any thinking, so often. It's a major flaw.

Apple Inc. has hundreds to thousands of prototype testers (previously of course, they already figured this out) with all different device thicknesses. They concluded through this physical testing, a thinner device is categorically, fundamentally superior to a flush camera module.

You think that's what you want. Until you held it.

Finally, you must not be keeping up with Apple to state: 'But Apple are too concerned with making the rest of the phone slimmer and lighter.'

The iPhone 6s increased in thickness by 0.2mm. The iPhone 7 remained the same. The iPhone 8 is rumored to be 7.6mm thick. Increasing, increasing.

 

[Moneoa]

All these “leaks” “confirms” and “exclusive looks” at the iPhone 8 are silly, really, really silly.

Some dudes CAD drawings from some supposed iPhone case designer are nothing more than speculation in my honest opinion

 

[9594864]

Each of us uses our devices differently and has different opinions about it.

I handle and use my device differently than you do. That said, more than one person on MacRumors has mentioned that they place their phones face down on surfaces. That means they see the back of the phone most of the time.

Neither of us is incorrect.


So you're saying that because you've never heard it in your part of the real world it's therefore an invalid complaint that has no merit? I.e., since other people aren't bothered by it the rest of us shouldn't be? Majority rules? Adapt and get back in line with the majority opinion? The majority knows what's best for you?

That's what I'm hearing anyway in that comment. Am I wrong?
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Yeah, probably am.

It will have been a nice run. I came from Windows Mobile to iPhone and I have no ties to Apple's ecosystem as the Macs I use can't use their services (PowerBooks and PowerMacs). So, leaving won't be an issue.

It's unfortunate but I'm not so bound to Apple I won't leave no matter what.

Look, at the end of the day, it comes down to this simple reality which is an unequivocal truth:

The camera protrusion is the most intelligent design. You can dislike it all you want, and everyone does, but that doesn't change reality. It is the most intelligent design for a smartphone. Why is that? Because a thinner device is the prudent design compared to a non-protruding camera module. When you have a singular component inside the device that is the sole-reason the phone would be 1.3-1.5mm thicker, intelligent analysis leads teams of people among the highest IQ levels on planet earth to decide objectively, that they will protrude the camera module so the device can remain thinner, lest the internal space be wasted by an enormous volume of space where components could not be added/stacked.

This is not to mention the fact that a statistically enormous number of users put a case on their phones which immediately negates any protruding camera modules. You have already stated that you do not put a case on your device, and that's fine, but you're on the statistical minority of the user- base.

My suggestion to you? Embrace the protrusion. Is it non-optimal aesthetically? Yes, of course. No one doesn't want it flush. It would obviously look far better. The thing to do though is to think about the fact that the camera is insanely sophisticated and it's protrusion gets you extremely amazing photos for the size of the device.
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All these “leaks” “confirms” and “exclusive looks” at the iPhone 8 are silly, really, really silly.

Some dudes CAD drawings from some supposed iPhone case designer are nothing more than speculation in my honest opinion

Yeah exactly... just like all the previous yearly leaks which have never given virtually perfect indications of previous designs well before their release date. Ohhh damn I mean wait...they have...every......single.....year.

 

[Moneoa]

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Yeah exactly... just like all the previous yearly leaks which have never given virtually perfect indications of previous designs well before their release date. Ohhh damn I mean wait...they have...every......single.....year.

Uh huh lol whatever. What you said is actually the exact opposite. The great guru’s in Shenzhen have been wrong before.

 

[Moneoa]

Unless you get it from the horse mouth it’s speculation