iPhone 8 Without Touch ID Doubtfully Called One 'Likely Option' if Apple Can't Place It Under Display

[Raist3001]

This thinking ^ I don't understand.

Let's look at cars. What if consumers demanded "a complete redesign" of cars' main functionality every year or two? Imagine having to re-learn how to drive a car every time you got a new model or different brand?

Consistency with design is a good thing for end users, and good for the stability of the platform. Poor Apple gets it from both ends ... they stick to a proven design, making it really robust, and users complain that it's not changing. They change it, having to start from scratch with refining it, and users complain that it's "buggy". They just can't win.

A totally redesigned iPhone does not cause a user to suddenly need to learn how to use their iPhone again. Were folks confused and lost when the iPhone 4 was released? When the 5 was released? Or the 6? We have had the same form factor now for 3 iterations of the iphone, soon to be 4 with S model. People are lost when the software is redesigned. And with each release if iOS, there is a small learning curve as we rediscover where certain settings are now, or where certain functions now reside.

 

[biscuit0819]

What if they say: Apple Pay now supports Facial, starting with the ip8 OLED. Since it's Facial is so great, we went along and removed touchID together with the home button -to safe space or sum. Starting with the ip8 OLED.

Facial recognition? Imagine holding it up to your face every time - complete nonstarter.

 

[ackmondual]

I feel exactly the same way about Samsung doing it with the S8. I actually preferred galaxy phones because of the physical home button.

For a long time, I was adamanet with my physical home button (Ipod Touch 3 to 5, various Ipads, Samsung Galaxy s2, s4, Samsung Tab S and Tab S2)... but upon using an LG G4 for about a year now... I'm happy to state that I got used to the switch. Bonus is some apps actually do make use of that extra row by hiding the Home row buttons.

 

[raghu8912]

Touch ID on the front is a must, take your time Apple, get it right. I will not buy a phone with no Touch ID or Touch ID on the back.

 

[smallcoffee]

I do know that I'm not the only one complaining. I know Apple will deliver, but I believe it will be delayed at least until October.

Yes but it's like a bunch of cavemen complaining that NASA hasn't got to the moon yet.

 

[Pamela5]

LOL, that's pretty pathetic if you would pass on a phone just because you can't make purchases on it at the less then 30% of retails that still carry it. (That number is probably going to shrink as more people/businesses ditch it and write it off as a failure).
Just an FYI, Cash still works everywhere.

I don't use anything but a physical credit card or cash to pay either. I refuse to store my bank information in my phone and I don't understand the trend of people wanting to do so. If my phone didn't have Touch ID I could care less, a PIN number is good enough security for me personally. However, I highly doubt that Apple is doing away with Touch ID, so for the people who care I wouldn't worry.

 

[err doktor zoidberg]

Contactless payment such as Apple pay continues to grow quarter over quarter and the use of cash continues to shrink. You're sadly misinformed junior.

Aye. I am not only absolutely loving Apple Pay, but I am loving the fact that I have been able to decrease the amount of physical cards in my wallet case substantially (i.e. the only card I now have in my wallet case is my license, and even that will likely be made available on phones at some point.) I very rarely carry cash on me, and I don't carry my debit card on me unless I need to make a deposit/withdrawal at an ATM machine.
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I don't use anything but a physical credit card or cash to pay either. I refuse to store my bank information in my phone

Well, if you refuse to store your banking information on your phone, don't... it's that simple. It won't be stored unless you... store it.

and I don't understand the trend of people wanting to do so.

There is a current trend of people wanting to store their banking information on their phone? What? Since when?

 

[vikingjunior]

I would rather have it on the back that not have it at all.

 

[Howard2k]

Okay, I'll play the word game. How about this: I think removing touch ID from any future model, regardless of numerological significance, would be a huge blow to the usability and functionality of the device.

Totally agree

 

[JayIsAwesome]

Seems you missed the iPhone 7 sales numbers so I'll share them. They sold more than any previous iPhone. So the huge failure you believe the iPhone 7 to be isn't a failure at all. You simply buy into any little hype MR gives you and believed that Apple really tabled tech for 2 years just because they missed one little deadline. That's simply stupid.

I never said the iPhone 7 was a failure dude. I, just like quite a few others, think the design is dated especially in comparison to the likes of the GS8 (aka a phone that actually looks like it belongs in 2017) But by all means, keep being the apple white knight. And of course apple's phone sold well. Lol. It's called "branding" dude. Apple could come out with an iPhone 3GS and call it the iPhone 7 and it would sell millions. It's the power of branding and marketing

 

[PlainviewX]

Even Apple isn't that stupid.

 

[iLLUMI]

I think many people would be happy and even appreciate (in some cases) if Apple delay the release date. I'm sure a lot of people are still enjoying and appreciating iPhone 7.
Even if they didn't release it until 1st quarter 2018 I'm sure folks would be happy to wait, that is if Apple can get the in-screen touch-ID working well within that time.
I mean its not like the first time Apple has delayed updates on products. People will wait. Personally I would be happy to wait for the promised/expected product.
They say necessity is the mother of all inventions. With the pressure and intense focus to come up with an in-screen touch-ID solution I'm sure someone will come up with the breakthrough technology to achieve this. Fingers crossed on that!

 

[ke-iron]

LOL, that's pretty pathetic if you would pass on a phone just because you can't make purchases on it at the less then 30% of retails that still carry it. (That number is probably going to shrink as more people/businesses ditch it and write it off as a failure).
Just an FYI, Cash still works everywhere.

There are a lot of apps that uses Apple Pay as a method of payment on iPhone. I use one called Postmates a few times a week when I order takeout. I use it all the time to open my Dropbox, 1 password, and for AppStore purchases. I unlock my phone dozens of times while it's laying on a flat surface using Touch ID, and I just can't see how facial recognition is going to see my face when the camera isn't even pointing at my face.

Another issue with using facial recognition to make purchases is that it will automatically make the purchase if you're holding the phone in your hand and looking at it. Many times people have been on the brink of purchasing items but changed their minds and with Touch ID you can click cancel if you change your mind.

Touch ID is integral to Apple ecosystem, it is not going anywhere. They just added it to the MacBook Pro for crying out loud.

So yea I will pass on the next iPhone and stick with the 7plus if it doesn't have Touch ID. Touch ID is essential to my daily routine.

 

[Skoal]

Jobs would never allow this.

You mean like making a white iPhone 4?

 

[Mouse man]

Jobs would never allow this.

Well he's been dead for years now so who cares what he would think, say or do. Doesn't matter anymore

 

[eVolcre]

I think I saw sOmething about an elongated power button. What if that's the backup touch id?

 

[9646829]

TouchID must not be taken away or shoved on the back, I hate finger print sensors on the back.

 

[dampfnudel]

I believe there are a few solutions. 3D facial image combined with a Voiceprint. 2 factors would eliminate need for Single factor fingerprint. Stronger auth method, using a random phrase generated for each auth. Combine with Apple watch, which would also allow you to auth to your phone, just like a Mac allows you to login with an Applewatch..... Folks need to be a bit more creative!!! MT

Probably too creative for some of the people here based on their "the sky is falling" replies.

 

[Tech198]

so without TouchID that would make it cheaper then. WHy do we even need an alternative, even though we have gotten used to all phone shaving TouchiD..

If Apple releases anything vastly "different" to the norm, people go nuts. For once, be adventurous, and completely ignore all of us..

As i said "We get used to something, then scream like hell when someone removes it, like it's an academy award or something"

 

[Zedcars]

No great loss to me since I never use Touch ID.

 

[Wowereit]

Didn't Apple already solve putting Touch ID under a glass display on the new Macbook Pro Touch Bar?

The problem is not putting Touch ID under a glass layer, Apple is already doing it on the current home button.
It's rather difficult making it work through a layer of metal and the display assembly itself:

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NO offence but I seriously doubt that Apple would put touch id on the back like Samsung, for one thing it is inconvenient to try to unlock your phone by blind feeling. Then if you have to turn the phone over to look at where the sensor is that defeats being easy.

Besides Samsung's stupid placement next to the camera, fingerprint scanners are usually positioned at the place where your index finger is going anyway. Trust me, there is no looking for the spot or trying by blind feeling, it works well.

Apple won't do it though.
It's either going to be a complete iPhone 8 with all the whistles and bells or plain and simple 7s.
Not some weird in-between cripple.

 

[DUIduckSAUCE]

You mean like making a white iPhone 4?

Yep just like that.
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Well he's been dead for years now so who cares what he would think, say or do. Doesn't matter anymore

It might not matter to you and I but Believe me. To some people around here it does matter.

 

[vintimus]

IF this is the case and touch ID is removed completely, I'd be holding onto my 7+ for another year. It's probably one if not my favorite feature.

 

[jweinraub]

Apple is sitting on massive cash reserves and have shown time and time again that they're willing to delay as long as required for the end product.

Wasnt the phone now shipping in September due to delays of not having the phone available in June. I know not being part of Macworld is a factor too, so what if they delay until even the following January. Long as they announce and say it will ship in six months is fine. Keeping people in the dark is dumb, especially when you know people go to sites like this!

 

[hybrid_x]

There's no way they're going to take away Touch ID. It's integral to security on the phones and for Apple Pay.

I think it's more likely that they'll integrate the fingerprint sensor into an inlaid glass logo on the back of the phone, with a slightly raised edge so users can locate it easily by touch.