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iPhone 8 Without Touch ID Doubtfully Called One 'Likely Option' if Apple Can't Place It Under Display

Andres Cantu said:
You'd think that after three years of the same design they would have done adequate planning to avoid delays.
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Here's a maybe or two.
Maybe Apple planned to bring this tech out last September but due to the technology not advancing at a fastest enough rate Apple had to use the 6/6s design form again for the 7.
Maybe it wasn't the plan but the tech not being at the point Apple thought it would be at this point forced them into the same for factor.
Maybe, it was/is a little like what happened to the Mac Pro. "Things" didn't go the way Apple anticipated and so Apple had to make adjustments to their internal plans.
Maybe, that is why Apple doesn't put out press releases on what products it will be coming out with.
 
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falainber said:
For many, the second best feature was 3.5mm phone jack and Apple got the courage to get rid of it. We'll see how courageous they are very soon.
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removing the headphone jack I feel was a little different. There's a whole feature surrounding touch id. I seriously just can't see them removing it. Why hype it up and build it into the mac just to remove it from your flagship product?
 
There's no way they would actually get rid of touch ID altogether, there are just too many aspects of the iPhone that depend on it at this point.
 
macrumors literally throwing crap on the wall to see which story sticks until September.

THIS. IS. NOT. GOING. TO. HAPPEN.
 
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Everyone is talking about a product that is NOT even ANNOUNCED TO EXIST YET.

How can it be delayed or canceled when it literally does not exist as a salable product?

If it was announced last September and was now still not shipping then yes, worry. It wasn't and is not shipping anyway, so whatever keep whining about Apple Pay going away (really bro?) or Apple using the stupid whack-a-mole fingerprint thingy on the back of Samsung phones (what is the use rate on them i wonder).

Facial recognition is a gimmick, iris scanning who knows yet, but fingerprint is a proven tech Apple is using everywhere not just for payments but for login access (to many things including third-party apps). It's either in or the phone won't ship at this point, when its actually announced to be a product.
 
AlexH said:
Remove one of the most useful and loved features of the iPhone on their anniversary model? Whew, that'd be a blow. I seriously doubt that's a real possibility. But reality is stranger than fiction, so who knows...
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Pretty sure members of this forum are far keener on numerology and anniversaries than Apple is.

WhatdoIkn0w4now said:
Don't delay it. Put the hardware there and admit it needs more time to develop software. Fix it later with a software update.
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What could possibly go wrong with this option!? Release a flag ship product in an unfinished state. Maybe they can include exploding batteries too.
 
AZ63 said:
Here's a maybe or two.
Maybe Apple planned to bring this tech out last September but due to the technology not advancing at a fastest enough rate Apple had to use the 6/6s design form again for the 7.
Maybe it wasn't the plan but the tech not being at the point Apple thought it would be at this point forced them into the same for factor.
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Rumor has it that this was/is actually the case. The upcoming OLED iPhone 8 was originally supposed to have released as the iPhone 7 and launch last year. But obviously things didn't workout and we ended up with the controversial iPhone 6SS. If Apple comes out with an iPhone 7S (or iPhone 6SSS) the media is gonna have field day. The hype that the upcoming iPhone 8 (X?) (Pro?) has is insane. No way in hell can Apple risk coming out with yet another dated looking iPhone 6 design as their flagship, when you see the beautiful devices that Samsung has come out with. After having the same design for the last 3 years, you'd think Apple would've had ample time to get the Touch ID/screen thing perfected. Guess we shall find out this fall.
 
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robjulo said:
Right, Just like they "delayed" the MBP until Kaby Lake came out and/or they could actually fit the larger battery into the case they designed. Oh wait, they didn't.....instead they released a half baked product to make sure they were out before the holidays.
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There is a big difference. They can fit the battery into the case in the second generation without tweaking the rest of the layout of the components.
Putting the touch-ID on the back requires a fundamental change in the way Apple crams everything together inside the iPhone. Are they really going to do that just for a generation?
 
thekeyring said:
Exactly. I find it hard to believe they're doubting now. If it's not quite ready for sept 2017, then it'll be ready for Sept 2018.

In which case, why wasn't the iPhone 7 design more different? I.E. slightly smaller bezels?
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I believe the part of the Touch Bar with TouchID isn't display.
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Exactly! That's a great point!
 
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coolfactor said:
This thinking ^ I don't understand.

Let's look at cars. What if consumers demanded "a complete redesign" of cars' main functionality every year or two? Imagine having to re-learn how to drive a car every time you got a new model or different brand?

Consistency with design is a good thing for end users, and good for the stability of the platform. Poor Apple gets it from both ends ... they stick to a proven design, making it really robust, and users complain that it's not changing. They change it, having to start from scratch with refining it, and users complain that it's "buggy". They just can't win.
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That's not exactly a fair comparison, we're not relearning how to use a phone, after all. Besides, I never mentioned that I would complain about bugginess, only about the potential delay.
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smallcoffee said:
Yeah. Easy to say. Why don't you tell them how to imbed a fingerprint sensor into the display?
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This is Apple we're talking about. And three whole years. If they can't advance the design in that way, they should at least have made a greater effort for the 7 and thus 7s.
 
No idea. My post was responding to someone claiming that Apple has shown "time and time again" they delay "as long as required" to get the end product right. A claim that is simply absurd. If it was true, the MBP would have been delayed until after the holidays to get it right, get a decent sized battery in and get the latest chip revision in, which was just around the corner at the time.


DanielDD said:
There is a big difference. They can fit the battery into the case in the second generation without tweaking the rest of the layout of the components.
Putting the touch-ID on the back requires a fundamental change in the way Apple crams everything together inside the iPhone. Are they really going to do that just for a generation?
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Why is so surprising that they could ship it without Touch ID? They got rid of the audio jack.
No Touch ID then they have extra space for an additional speaker.
They could get rid of the lighting connector too, without replacing it with USB-C whatsoever. More space for a fourth speaker.
Data transfer via wifi.
Charging? No problem: Photovoltaic cells at the back.
Volume rocker? Gone too. Use the volume controls in the AirPods, then another speaker could be added. Pentaphonic sound!
 
I wouldn't mind it put Into the back Apple logo. It's a good spot for it. Glass on the Apple logo would make it not noticeable like a seperate button other phones do. But I think they'll have it working on the front of the phone in a specific area
 
Why is it that apple has gone from a can do company to a "we can't do it" company. Think outside the box, get stuff done. There has to be engineers out there that know how to do this. It's like the creativity has completely deserted this company in both retail and corporate environments.

But that's one apple fan boys opinion
 
yanki01 said:
macrumors literally throwing crap on the wall to see which story sticks until September.

THIS. IS. NOT. GOING. TO. HAPPEN.
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I was just commenting on this earlier. Touch ID is with the most crucial feature the iPhone has and ultimately defines the security behind the iPhone. There's no way that iPhone will be subjected without it. However, I do think the iPhone either will retain touch ID physically for one more year or it will debut when it's fully optimized to be embedded in the display.
 
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Maybe it's just me, but I prefer to have purpose built physical buttons for certain tasks. For example I don't like having to fumble around on a touch screen to find the radio volume function in my car.
 
If facial or iris detection is introduced, then fingerprints may be phased out over time. But they'd have to coexist for a time. They won't drop fingerprints for an unproven ID method.
 
Derekuda said:
LOL, that's pretty pathetic if you would pass on a phone just because you can't make purchases on it at the less then 30% of retails that still carry it. (That number is probably going to shrink as more people/businesses ditch it and write it off as a failure).
Just an FYI, Cash still works everywhere.
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Not sure about where you are, but more and more stores are using it. Heck, my local ice cream stand takes it now. I don't think anyone is writing it off as a failure, as, quite literally, new banks come on line on a weekly basis.

YOU may not use it at all. That does not make it a failure.
 
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Derekuda said:
LOL, that's pretty pathetic if you would pass on a phone just because you can't make purchases on it at the less then 30% of retails that still carry it. (That number is probably going to shrink as more people/businesses ditch it and write it off as a failure).
Just an FYI, Cash still works everywhere.
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It's not pathetic it's called a preference, a habit etc... I use Apple pay all the time and it is accepted where there are contactless terminals and they're everywhere where I live excepting walmart.
 
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