funny how some iPhone users will defend the iPhones deficiencies and claim the iPhone is better without those feutures that it lacks.
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iPhone ad rapped as 'misleading'
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LOts of photographers and agents websites, film websites...
and they usually do so very minimally. As for the incompatible comment, duh. Easiest way to make a site work in all browsers is to use Flash.
Why do people have to shout out about how little they know?
Yet I come across Flash sites all the time that are very minimal and well designed. Your argument is akin blaming paper for the rubbish written in the gutter press and ignoring all the numerous well written writings also written/printed on paper.
If it's important to these professional photographers they should then make a non-flash alternative anyway. It's not that hard.
The analysis of the reasons that Apple didn't put Flash into the iPhone cannot really be summarized by 'Duh!' Succinct it may be but it rather missing the complexity of the issue of getting a workable stable non-crippled version of Flash into Safari for the iPhone without having an impact on battery life. One alternative is to imagine that Apple didn't release the iPhone at all because they wanted to wait till they had a stable version of Flash by buying a phone from another company.
Absolutely correct except for the bit 'why don't people ever complain about that'. People who complain about Flash tend to be developers who are aware of Flash's short-comings. Such developers equally hate badly coded sites. Bit of the old strawman happening I think.
I think I'm on the point of spotting the flaw in this argument.
Gives us some links. Actually, I'm genuinely interested.
It applies to all. 'Linux' haven't made a misleading ad, so that's why they haven't been slapped. Duh! [yet again]
Says someone from a country that invades others based on made up information, probably ex advertising types!
I have to say the tiresome racist comments on here only show how remarkably stupid some posters are. And I don't think all Americans are stupid, just because some are.
Yeah, Apple was intentionally misleading. And I am actually getting annoyed at all the ignorant smugness of some here - Safari is great, but not the only game in town. If we are really going to compare, take a look at Opera's new 9.5 Mobile browser (here is a review: http://www.gsmarena.com/opera_mobile_95_to_compete_with_iphones_safari_browser-news-506.php)
I use both the mobile Safari and Opera 9.5. Frankly, I like Safari a bit better, which may be due to a great extent to the nicer and larger screen the iPhone has, compared to my old Trinity. But the difference is pretty subtle. But Opera does offer some significant advantages, and yes, reasonably decent Flash and Java support are two of the more important ones.
I guess, it's religion for some. And that's fine, I suppose..., at least the iPhone is real
I'm gonna guess Safari on my iPhone can't see any Oracle apps, either. Hell, I can't even use Firefox to do that, so obviously, Firefox sUx0r2!!1!!
We use the stupid Oracle apps here at work for expense reporting, PTO, etc. and they only work in Exploder, even if you install the plug-in for Firefox. So much for standards.
If people truly believe the ad meant they could surf every single website out there, then they were mislead. Not everyone has the technical savvy to know that would be nearly impossible for pretty much any browser out there, especially one on a cell phone. Apple just needs to put in a disclaimer, it seems, or use the same weasel word as everyone else: "Virtually."
While I'd like Flash on my iPhone, I have an actual need for Java support.
We use the stupid Oracle apps here at work for expense reporting, PTO, etc. and they only work in Exploder, even if you install the plug-in for Firefox. So much for standards.
If people truly believe the ad meant they could surf every single website out there, then they were mislead. Not everyone has the technical savvy to know that would be nearly impossible for pretty much any browser out there, especially one on a cell phone. Apple just needs to put in a disclaimer, it seems, or use the same weasel word as everyone else: "Virtually."
While I'd like Flash on my iPhone, I have an actual need for Java support.
Nope. People who complain about Flash are mostly bespectacled nerds with bad breath and sweaty palms, who simply don't get this "design" thing and want to sound like experts in front of Marketing secretaries and children.
It used to be, that they were all lamenting the demise of DOS, now I guess, they've found a new issue to whine about. Ah, the good old times of all text-based pages...
Any phone that is equipped with an IP based browser CAN access the entire Internet. IIRC, a WAP browser must connect directly to a proxy/gateway, so WAP is NOT included. It CANNOT format an IP packet that will make it to another machine on the Internet.
I was wrong in thinking the Ad said 'entire Internet'. I read JGowan's post right after defining the term Internet, and realised my mistake. It was 'all parts of the Internet'. I am only left with interpreting the Ad to mean that Apple's iPhone allows access to all fields of an IPv4 header. I rest my case!
Any web server can server up WAP content. It's just XHTML. No proxy or gateway required. You can read more here
Your statement may be true, that an HTTP server like Apache can serve WAP pages. What I am saying is that I believe a WAP enabled phone does not make direct connections to the HTTP server, but instead goes through the cellular phone companies gateway. In my younger years I remember all the joy in finding a free gateway so I didn't need to pay Verizon 5USD a month for sports scores.
Please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WAP_gateway and feel more enlightened!
The "Orange" external link points you to a good explanation. The following picture from that page shows the physical, data link, and network layers are NOT IP, so therefore not the Internet.
http://www.orangepartner.com/images/graph1.gif
Interesting stuff. Thanks for providing the links. I knew the cell providers operated gateways, but I simply assumed they were for traffic shaping and 'proxying'. I thought that the handsets were rendering the XHTML-MP natively.Your statement may be true, that an HTTP server like Apache can serve WAP pages. What I am saying is that I believe a WAP enabled phone does not make direct connections to the HTTP server, but instead goes through the cellular phone companies gateway. In my younger years I remember all the joy in finding a free gateway so I didn't need to pay Verizon 5USD a month for sports scores.
Please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WAP_gateway and feel more enlightened!
The "Orange" external link points you to a good explanation. The following picture from that page shows the physical, data link, and network layers are NOT IP, so therefore not the Internet.
http://www.orangepartner.com/images/graph1.gif
I've learnt something knew today.
Not sure if this particular ad is worth all the brouhaha.
Much, much worse was when Apple showed off the National Geographic site on an iPhone, but with the "You need to download Flash" menu section replaced with an animal picture, so Safari wouldn't appear lacking.
And then compared against N95 the time to open the page. Only problem was that N95 supported flash, but that wasn't even mentioned anywhere.
Just add a fineprint like
*i.e. supporting all w3c-supported stuff but not 3-rd party extensions, including but not limited to flash*, activex*, java* *all trademarks are property of their respective owners.
i'm sorry but i laughed out loud at this.
the point is MOOT
adjective
1. open to discussion or debate; debatable; doubtful: a moot point.
2. of little or no practical value or meaning; purely academic.
3. Chiefly Law. not actual; theoretical; hypothetical.
Not Mute,
adjective
1. silent; refraining from speech or utterance.
2. not emitting or having sound of any kind.
3. incapable of speech; dumb.
Yeah but it is a really neat Malapropism though! "Mute" actually sort-of works in this context, given that this complaint will be silenced when (if?) Flash etc does appear for iPhone...
Steve Job's is Milking the iPhone and the consumers are the fallout.
Then if you aren't either a sports fan (AKA FanBoy) or you don't advertise to the masses.
Flash is as popular for Advertisers as PhotoShop is to Apple Boys.
Apple is pulling a Microsoft and holding out on Adobe and we are the fallout.
Steve, Get off your high horsre and show the rest of the open programming world you can play.
If I can't play anything but Apple MP3's or QuickTime Video then it's not the Interent.
How much video is out now that with WM Or RealMedia that we can't access.
Along with countless other video formats.
YouTube kissed Steve's Ass and we see a portion of YouTube that has been converted for the iPhone.
Safari is a way better browser than we get on the iPhone and the competition is Verizon (which by the way has better 3G than AT&T).
Steve, get off your ass and do something or hire someone that can.
Then if you aren't either a sports fan (AKA FanBoy) or you don't advertise to the masses.
Flash is as popular for Advertisers as PhotoShop is to Apple Boys.
Apple is pulling a Microsoft and holding out on Adobe and we are the fallout.
Steve, Get off your high horsre and show the rest of the open programming world you can play.
If I can't play anything but Apple MP3's or QuickTime Video then it's not the Interent.
How much video is out now that with WM Or RealMedia that we can't access.
Along with countless other video formats.
YouTube kissed Steve's Ass and we see a portion of YouTube that has been converted for the iPhone.
Safari is a way better browser than we get on the iPhone and the competition is Verizon (which by the way has better 3G than AT&T).
Steve, get off your ass and do something or hire someone that can.
FWIW - I just submitted a complaint to the ASA regarding the intentionally misleading advert for the iP3G that massively oversells it's performance. It doesn't browse the web that fast even on Wifi. I can't download PDF's that fast, even on Wifi. It takes an utter AGE to load even a simple PDF - not the instantaneous loading of a 400kb PDF the ad suggests. The AGPS does not find your location that fast. The entire thing is a complete work of fiction and very very misleading. I love my iPod Touch - but I hate Apple for these adverts that are just total lies.
Thinking only teenagers use such language makes me thing you are a very old person indeed. If you are a bit decrepit, do forgive me.
Besides 'duh!' is more succint than the alternatives and as it is usually directed at those who appear to sub teenage in debating skills, also very apposite.
Many upscale product brands are entirely constructed out of flash. nike.com is entirely flash, for example.
The WAP handset must connect through a gateway which exists solely to connect to the internet. So it's one extra hop. the end result is the same and it seems like you're splitting hairs since the end result is the same.