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Should Apple make an iPhone Air Mini

  • Yes

    Votes: 81 46.6%
  • No

    Votes: 79 45.4%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 14 8.0%

  • Total voters
    174
There are many complaints about the aged battery life of regular thickness 5.4-inch and a thin 6.1-inch device would face the same problems. The battery and rear camera sensor would have to be compromised. Think iPhone 16e sensor size.
OK. Here's a question for you Jpack, the 12 and 13 mini were considered failures, however fast forward a few years to now, and brand new sealed Minis are practically impossible to find indicating all worldwide stocks have been sold out. So from Apples perspective this means they have got their ROI and Profits, and thus the Minis have achieved their financial objective. Is this a fair assessment?
 
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I would love to see Apple come out with a separate line for the Mini. The Mini Pro and Mini line and keep pricing much more competitive to the baseline iPhones. With battery technology improving I think this would add more diversity to the Apple iPhone lineup.
 
OK. Here's a question for you Jpack, the 12 and 13 mini were considered failures, however fast forward a few years to now, and brand new sealed Minis are practically impossible to find indicating all worldwide stocks have been sold out. So from Apples perspective this means they have got their ROI and Profits, and thus the Minis have achieved their financial objective. Is this a fair assessment?

Without knowing the situation at Apple, it would be impossible for me to say for sure.

How much NRE did Apple spend on developing iPhone mini? $500 million? $1 billion? What was the opportunity cost of choosing to develop and sell the mini? Did assembling the mini use up parts that would have been better used in iPhone 12 Pro/Max? (Remember the semicon shortage in 2021?) Would an iPhone 12e and 13e have sold better? (Look at the 16e, sitting at a respectable 11% sales.) There are so many unknowns.

My gut feeling is iPhone 12/13 mini were failures. Apple pulls in over $1B a day in revenue, which means their expectations are very high. Apple launches only four models per year, which means each iPhone has to carry weight. The sales numbers that work for Samsung, who launches a dozen models every year, won't work for Apple.

 
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why not modify an Apple Watch to work like dick tracy's wrist watch in the old comic strips, then we would get the spectacle of people talking to their arms while doing whatever
 
I do think a mini option of some sort would be smart for them to produce. They release 5 phones a year and they are all within a fraction of an inch of each other in screen size.

A thin mini would just sacrifice way too much battery life to ever make sense.
 
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I would rather have a Pro mini that still weighs 8-ish oz, but is a wide boi -- square and thick, but still managing to be small. Give it the good cameras, lots of RAM, an A Pro chip, vapor cooling, great speakers, and a big fat battery.
Agreed. With decent efficiency through a Pro Motion display and other little tweaks I think it is more likely to be a good phone than the 13 mini was. Even a regular mini phone would work I think just sacrificing the multiple cameras for a couple to free up internal space.
 
Wouldn’t it be nice with a smaller iPhone Air? Phones are getting too big and heavy these days. Can somebody call Tim Apple and tell him to make one?
The Air’s camera plateau is pretty bad (plus how much the camera lens is sticking out of it). I’d rather have an “e” mini.
 
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OK. Here's a question for you Jpack, the 12 and 13 mini were considered failures, however fast forward a few years to now, and brand new sealed Minis are practically impossible to find indicating all worldwide stocks have been sold out. So from Apples perspective this means they have got their ROI and Profits, and thus the Minis have achieved their financial objective. Is this a fair assessment?
No. Apple pulled them from sale. There was no period where you could only get them at certain Apple stores or only in certain colors. They were not hard to find. It was gone all at once in September 2023 when new model phones came out and the 13 mini was no longer part of the lineup. We do not know how many unsold units Apple had. Likely they put them aside for warranty replacements or disassembled them for components. Some third-party retailers and carrier stores might have kept selling their SOH if they were not allowed to return it for a refund to Apple. If you are stuck with inventory, you sell it until its gone or call a liquidator. That's why it seemed it had a longer tail than it really did, but Apple had already gotten that money from the retailers back in 2022. As far as ROI goes, we also have no idea what kind of R&D or marketing expenses there were involved in the lineup, if the warranty support costs were the same as a regular phone, etc. Even if they sold every one they made, Apple could still consider it a loss.
 
Here's my solution:

e model - 5.5" (or there abouts)
standard model - 6"
air model - 6.5"
pro model - 6.5"
pro max model - 7"

There might be room for the air and pro models to be spread a bit, but should probably be pretty close (I guess).
 
Here's my solution:

e model - 5.5" (or there abouts)
standard model - 6"
air model - 6.5"
pro model - 6.5"
pro max model - 7"

There might be room for the air and pro models to be spread a bit, but should probably be pretty close (I guess).
Here is the most likely future lineup.

e model (mini replacement - 6.1inches) yea, that's the min based on market these days - smaller will not justify the effort to develop it. there was a reason to cancel the mini line.

Air 6.5 with dual cameras (replacing the standard iPhone)

Air 7.2 inches the Air Plus - same spec just larger.

Pro Max 7.2 inches - the I want it all.

Fold 5.5 inch / 7.8 inch 4:3
 
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why not modify an Apple Watch to work like dick tracy's wrist watch in the old comic strips, then we would get the spectacle of people talking to their arms while doing whatever
The Apple Watch already does that, so no need to modify it. I think most people would use AirPods if they were going to have a phone conversation with an Apple Watch, but you can just do it via the little speaker and mic if you really want 🙂
 
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As I said, I believe there is a market for a smaller phone. Maybe not a big one (pun intended), but it is there.

I also believe that the companies are not willing to go down that road yet, because they still haven't found a way to charge a premium for something that is smaller. (Or thinner and lighter - iPhone Air)

I like a phone I can use with one hand and my 12 mini on iOS 18 is still going strong.
 
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No. There is no need for a "mini" phone.
For someone who is advocating to always look at both sides, weigh all the advantages and disadvantages and come to your own conclusions, you are astonishingly bold in proclaiming your own opinion as universal truth.

 
For someone who is advocating to always look at both sides, weigh all the advantages and disadvantages and come to your own conclusions, you are astonishingly bold in proclaiming your own opinion as universal truth.

I don't have the opinion that a Mini phone is needed. It seems the market for such a device is rather small, which is a likely factor for why they discontinued it.

I don't see how simply stating my opinion equates to "proclaiming it as a universal truth." That is a highly erroneous mischaracterization of me simply stating that I don't see the value of the "Mini" phone lineup.
 
That was a typo. I meant to say there is no need for a mini phone.
Perhaps for your use case it is not necessary to have a mini phone and why you made this comment. Unless you have owned and used the 13 mini for any length of time you're basing your comments how you look at the 13 mini rather than having actual experience using one long term.

For some this is something they desire as they are minimalist in nature and just require a device that they can actually use that is not like a small hand held computer with a big screen (6.1 inch or larger). For some the compact size of the 13 mini (5.4 inch) is the perfect size and with its full screen still provides most of what they are looking for.

Again, the iPhone mini is not a perfect iPhone but with today's battery technology improvements, and with the current tech, I feel Apple can make a solid iPhone mini (or mini Pro) using the (48MP f/1.78 Main Fusion and 48MP f/2.2 Ultra Wide Fusion) rear cameras and the newer front facing 18MP Center Stage camera sensor. Then adding software features such as Pro Res and Pro Motion modes for this camera setup. All it takes is for Apple to work out pricing which makes this iPhone competitive within its footprint range.

If Apple produced a new mini with these features as well as adding a 1TB storage option, I would be getting one. I for one really love the small footprint of the mini.
 
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No. There is no need for a "mini" phone.
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I don't have the opinion that a Mini phone is needed. It seems the market for such a device is rather small, which is a likely factor for why they discontinued it.

Do you really not see the difference between those two sentences?
A could be seen as someone looking to antagonize people by stating an opinion as fact. "There IS ...". I don't believe that you tried to antagonize anyone, but it clearly worked.
B is someone who is stating his opinion calmly while giving reasons why they came to this opinion.

EDIT: clarifying
 
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A:

B:


Do you really not see the difference between those two sentences?
A could be seen as someone looking to antagonize people. (which clearly worked). if that was intended or not, is another question.
B is someone who is stating his opinion calmly while giving reasons why they came to this opinion.
Antagonizing people is not my intention. I am simply stating my opinion on the subject matter.
 
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