Both Engadget and Gizmodo were invited. They'll post just about any ridiculous rumor that's emailed to them.
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Both Engadget and Gizmodo were invited. They'll post just about any ridiculous rumor that's emailed to them.
Not to mention GPS.I don't often stray outta my comfort zone and I know GPS would likely be of great benefit and a great selling point to a lotta folks if the iPhone had it.
And I agree with mduser63, that if people bother reading some reviews on the Ocean and other "comparable" products, people inevitably come to the conclusion that even if the iPhone lacks some features, it definitely packs a punch w/ it's user interface/ OS.
GPS can be done using the SIM card. there are ways it can be implemented without certain hardware. whether apple choses to do it is a whole different story.
i think tomorrow's announcements will be new imac, mac mini and macbook speed bumps. i am holding out for ichat for iphone being released as well... but i dont expect it.
Hey, someone here pays attention to what happens in the cell phone world.
If anything, the fall of ampd only highlights why you shouldn't take a MVNO as your cell phone carrier. They have no major assets. A regular cell phone company never goes out of business, because they have towers and retail stores. At the worst, someone buys them out and you end up with a cell phone carrier you may not want to be with. But you don't get any interruption of service. When your MVNO goes out, you're hung out to dry.
People who have rebates due from Ampd may never get them and must now file claims with the company handling the bankruptcy liquidation. Where they may get their money, or a portion of it. Since the focus is going to be to pay back the major financial backers for Ampd first, they probably wont see their money. If Ampd could pay back all their debts, they wouldn't have been bankrupt to begin with obviously.
Hasn't this been debated to death? It's not a matter of fanboyism; the iPhone suits me very well. I owned a Sony Ericsson K800i 3G phone for about a year and gave it up in a heartbeat. I never used MMS, never used the video camera, never used the internet access (too expensive for data) and a terrible web browser, never used the built-in MP3 player (extremely cumbersome to use), never looked at photos or videos on it, etc.
The iPhone does not have MS Exchange support, but my company has Outlook Web Access which comes through very nicely on the built-in Safari.
Your needs may vary and for that there are a hundred other models to choose from.
As for the phone that is the topic of this thread, no thanks...not by a long shot.
No. No advertising money was exchanged.
Hey... if I were on a plane to SF to report on a certain Media event... then I'd be too busy to explore this sort of thing.
(fyi, this is a "real" story. debate the merits of the iphone vs the helio. This site's never been about fan-boy-ism, as much as enthusiasm about apple products.)
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Be that as it may, the first impression most visitors will get is that it is in fact an ad. You made non emergent iPhone stories go into their own iPhone subsection, yet this isn't even an Apple product and it gets top billing.
While this won't turn people away from the site, unless things are changing, it is not a submission that is on message.
Also, don't call it a phone
"Meh."
Yeah typing that word doesn't feel as fulfilling.
"I can has iphone alternative?!"
Now that feels a bit better.
Anyway, I don't think MR is doing the following:
1. Advertise Apple alternatives
2. ???
3. Profit
Ok I've changed my mind..
Even though MR posts a LOT of rumors that often come very true Apple gets free publicity out of it.I'm sure there's a certain line one shouldn't cross to keep that conflict of interest from biting MR in the behind and that's probably a deciding factor in Apple not ever inviting MR to events.Apple KNOWS MR has a wide viewership though and uses that.So..
Even if arn's reason was "humerous" I'll stand up and say "HEY APPLE" MacRumors is people too.Not gonna invite arn? fine Take this!!
Front page ad for an alternative to Apple's biggest show right now the iPhone.
Too bad it gives what,in my opinion is an inferior device that same publicity.
Even though MR posts a LOT of rumors that often come very true Apple gets free publicity out of it.I'm sure there's a certain line one shouldn't cross to keep that conflict of interest from biting MR in the behind and that's probably a deciding factor in Apple not ever inviting MR to events.Apple KNOWS MR has a wide viewership though and uses that.So..
Even if arn's reason was "humerous" I'll stand up and say "HEY APPLE" MacRumors is people too.Not gonna invite arn? fine Take this!!
Front page ad for an alternative to Apple's biggest show right now the iPhone.
Too bad it gives what,in my opinion is an inferior device that same publicity.
What is this, macalternatives.com?
heliorumors.com?
...didn't think so. I really don't think this "story" should be on this site. If I want to look into the helio or some other non-apple product, I'll go to their respective sites. I come here for MAC and APPLE stuff!
heliorumors.com?
...didn't think so. I really don't think this "story" should be on this site. If I want to look into the helio or some other non-apple product, I'll go to their respective sites. I come here for MAC and APPLE stuff!
People need to get a sense of humor and calm down. Seriously. Losing respect for MacRumors? Thought Arn was better than this? The site is going downhills?
IT'S A JOKE. No wonder Windows users think we (the mac community) are stuck-up pricks. It appears as most of us are.
Take a joke people, it's funny if you step off your internet high horse...
IT'S A JOKE. No wonder Windows users think we (the mac community) are stuck-up pricks. It appears as most of us are.
Take a joke people, it's funny if you step off your internet high horse...
Arn, open a site called macfacts and post the rumors after they've become facts. Instant news site!
I gotta say, as far as a comparison chart goes, that one is very poor. True, it goes into what people want to know about it, but all it does is take what the iphone doesnt have, and say the ocean does have it. It doesnt go into battery life, video, music, screen resolution, all the stuff like that. Very good marketing if your going for the young oblivious consumers.
It's a revealingly unprofessional joke that is sure to make it even harder for MacRumors to get any respect when Apple media events come up.
Well, I hate to post something marginally on-topic here, but...
Anyone notice that this Helio has AAC support? It's nice to see that, thanks to the iPod/ITMS, AAC support has been spreading of late (even that evil empire player can handle it). MP3 was great in its day, but "its day" should've been over a while ago - AAC is certainly a superior codec.
... counting the minutes until the first Ogg fanboi replies to this ...
Anyone notice that this Helio has AAC support? It's nice to see that, thanks to the iPod/ITMS, AAC support has been spreading of late (even that evil empire player can handle it). MP3 was great in its day, but "its day" should've been over a while ago - AAC is certainly a superior codec.
... counting the minutes until the first Ogg fanboi replies to this ...
Well, I have never heard about this HeliPhone before, thanks arn! I am going to go click every ad on every page in Macrumors.com!
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For anyone to really "get" the joke, they would have to have been following a couple of recent threads/posts very closely and seen the bits of subtle whining by the admins that they were snubbed for this event.
Not to mention the not-so-subtle reference by one of the admins to the Alexa rating for this site, and the implication that Apple should be somehow grateful for all the free press. (which is naive, considering Apple probably prefers their secrets to remain so and the vast majority of the traffic here is probably the mac faithful anyways).
Those who haven't combed those threads are just going to see this big ad for the Ocean at the top of the page - how is this funny again?
Like someone else said, this isn't going to be a big deal in the end. Macrumors is still one of the best sites of its kind and this won't likely change anyones habits of visiting.
Doesn't make this any less surprising though.
Exactly. Engadget caused the whole $4 billion stock drop with a rumor, and they mostly just repost from other news sites anyways.
an advertisement? for a non-apple product? on macrumors? that's very weird... that was a very fishy story.
yeah this is definately odd. It's so random and out of place. Especially since there are macrumors to discuss. its not like there is slow news. it's not even remotely mac related.
MacRumors.com mission is to be one of the best and most respected rumors site on the net. It currently does this and is very good at bringing in many hits.
The problem I see with this "nudge" to Apple is that is is unfounded. You are literally undermining Apple's advertising efforts with your superior rumors yet you expect Apple to invite you to their party.
Why do gizmodo and engadget get passes and you don't? I think you know very well why:
"Now I think Gizmodo and Engadget do a great job in general, but theyve never been a reliable source of original Apple rumors."
You're right, they are not as good as MacRumors in reporting original, legit rumors. They simply report news and rumor runoff from other sites, and draw in quite the crowd while doing so. Inviting MacRumors to an Apple event would be like inviting ThePirateBay to a movie premiere!
Is this making any sense?
In your latest blog entry you stated you want to maintain the integrity of MacRumors:
"If we posted every submission that sounded at all plausible, we would lose a lot of respect from our regulars."
I think there is a lot of weight in that last bit there. Don't lose your way.
The problem I see with this "nudge" to Apple is that is is unfounded. You are literally undermining Apple's advertising efforts with your superior rumors yet you expect Apple to invite you to their party.
Why do gizmodo and engadget get passes and you don't? I think you know very well why:
"Now I think Gizmodo and Engadget do a great job in general, but theyve never been a reliable source of original Apple rumors."
-- arn's blog August 5th
You're right, they are not as good as MacRumors in reporting original, legit rumors. They simply report news and rumor runoff from other sites, and draw in quite the crowd while doing so. Inviting MacRumors to an Apple event would be like inviting ThePirateBay to a movie premiere!
Is this making any sense?
In your latest blog entry you stated you want to maintain the integrity of MacRumors:
"If we posted every submission that sounded at all plausible, we would lose a lot of respect from our regulars."
I think there is a lot of weight in that last bit there. Don't lose your way.