Seems people still cannot learn how Apple works, except its customers... again.
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Seems people still cannot learn how Apple works, except its customers... again.
I will check back in one year. I'm noting your name for future reference.
And in some cases even less features just like in the iPod. I think you have hit the nail right in the head, the iPhone will win just like the iPod did because of simplicity alone.
I just hope the battery is replaceable, I always buy extra or spare battery with my mobile phones, simply because I don't want to be caught in the middle of conversation with a low bat.
Though the iPhone is beautiful but if the battery is not replaceable or interchangeable, it's no buy for me.
Though the iPhone is beautiful but if the battery is not replaceable or interchangeable, it's no buy for me.
An unreplaceable battery would be a good reason for users to get a car FM transmitter and charger which already makes ipods infinitely more useful.
...what would happen if you get a phone call though?
...what would happen if you get a phone call though?
I think the bad press is due to the fact that Apple has actually really shaken the competition. What else can they do but hurl insults? I seem to remember the reaction to the first iPod being something like, "that's it? What's the big deal about another MP3 player?"
I don't care
. . . what anyone else has to say, especially other competitors . . this is NOT about a phone or an iPod or whatever.
This is a 'computer'. This is the FIRST of MANY devices that will leverage the UI and usability of the 'iPhone'.
Scale this up to 7 x 9. I guarantee AAPL has a device on a desk in the workshop running this version of X and more complex apps (GarageBand, etc)
Scale this down to a mini. Remove all functionality but the phone, contacts and iCal, and messaging. Scroll with a circular finger motion like an iPod on the bottom and your contact scroll, etc.
Think this is a 'closed' system? It is for now, but it will open to ALL widgets, new 3rd prty apps, iPod games, other games, etc.
Seriously . . . . people are being far too literal with this product.
This is an AMAZING leap in functional possibilities.
Other companies (MS included) HAVE to be looking at this and saying "Why can't our team figure out how to do 10% of that?)
By the way, remember "Origami" and how PC folks were drooling over the potential? This is 100x cooler than that, and will soon be real.
Also, I have almost zero interest in the Apple TV because it does not record TV, but I will also bet that this is the toe in the water for a TON of future functionality that will integrate with everything else out of Cupertino.
. . . what anyone else has to say, especially other competitors . . this is NOT about a phone or an iPod or whatever.
This is a 'computer'. This is the FIRST of MANY devices that will leverage the UI and usability of the 'iPhone'.
Scale this up to 7 x 9. I guarantee AAPL has a device on a desk in the workshop running this version of X and more complex apps (GarageBand, etc)
Scale this down to a mini. Remove all functionality but the phone, contacts and iCal, and messaging. Scroll with a circular finger motion like an iPod on the bottom and your contact scroll, etc.
Think this is a 'closed' system? It is for now, but it will open to ALL widgets, new 3rd prty apps, iPod games, other games, etc.
Seriously . . . . people are being far too literal with this product.
This is an AMAZING leap in functional possibilities.
Other companies (MS included) HAVE to be looking at this and saying "Why can't our team figure out how to do 10% of that?)
By the way, remember "Origami" and how PC folks were drooling over the potential? This is 100x cooler than that, and will soon be real.
Also, I have almost zero interest in the Apple TV because it does not record TV, but I will also bet that this is the toe in the water for a TON of future functionality that will integrate with everything else out of Cupertino.
Thanks for that link! This might just be the start of something big! One day maybe I'll be able to tap into next door's wi-fi power grid too
lol. Seriously though, exciting development.
I haven't noticed anybody say anything positive about it apart from a few mac users on these boards and some intelligent people on slashdot.
I've not heard anybody mention anything about the huge 3rd party market that caters towards the ipod, being leveraged for this phone and nobody is really talking up the touch screen features.
No other slim phone has every gotten good battery life. That is the tradeoff for slimness, and one of the primary reasons the Treo is so thick
Wrong. The Treo is so thick because it is a brick. It's a dog that doesn't do anything well except for take up weight.
You can have a slim phone, long battery life with a removable battery all in one package. I have the Moto SLVR and it is as thin as the iPhone at .46", has six and a half hours talk time and the battery is removable. It can be done. It's just a matter of whether the manufacturer wants to provide these features. The SLVR has the best talk time of any phone I have ever had. Plus it has itunes, which is a very nice addition. The iPhone is the same length and thickness as the SLVR, it's just .6 of an inch wider. They could have made the battery removable if they wanted to.
Wrong. The Treo is so thick because it is a brick. It's a dog that doesn't do anything well except for take up weight.
You can have a slim phone, long battery life with a removable battery all in one package. I have the Moto SLVR and it is as thin as the iPhone at .46", has six and a half hours talk time and the battery is removable. It can be done. It's just a matter of whether the manufacturer wants to provide these features. The SLVR has the best talk time of any phone I have ever had. Plus it has itunes, which is a very nice addition.
The iPhone is the same length and thickness as the SLVR, it's just .6 of an inch wider. They could have made the battery removable if they wanted to.Absolutely 100% on the mark!
(p.s. Going way down the scale of complex possibilities, I bet a non phone/internet version, i.e. just wide screen iPod is close too - $199?)
Since I saw this phone, I thought its not the software that it runs but its the UI - the simplicity.
Sure my phone can do what the iPhone can do, except for the visual voice mails - which has been implemented specifically for the iPhone by Cingular. It doesn't have the UI, not a chance. Not close.
However, I can use my phone one handed - can you do that with iPhone? Cell phones should be single handed use also.... I learnt that with the SE P900.
Right on the mark! I can imagine a host of 3rd party software and hardware. This is a new OS X remember! This is just the tip of an Apple iceberg.
If Apple can get the third party developers like they did with the accessories for iPod - its going to do really well. Apple really needs the developer support if this thing is to survive. People are going to tire of stock applications very quickly if its a closed platform.
A smartphone is more useful because you can also put 3rd party apps on. Most phones allow you to sync now anyway, so that part of 'smartphone' has gone into mainstream.
Shouldn't the creative professionals be complaining that this device isn't specifically targeted at them? This device is absolutely perfect for me, so I'm patiently waiting for both the 3G version at MWSF '08 and my Verizon contract to end.
Wi-Fi is at the top of my list. This is the #1 reason why I wouldn't buy a Q or a Treo. 3G will come, as Steve specifically mentioned it in the keynote. While I have around 30GB of music, I can easily narrow it down to selections that I'll actually listen to before the next sync. Google Maps looks to be well-implemented, so directions on the go will be a snap. I do anticipate that we'll see a 3rd party Bluetooth GPS solution, probably from Garmin. Even if that package comes in at $299, then the total package will only equal the price of a Nuvi. Finally, it's got push email and a real mobile web browser. I don't need anything else. I sure don't need any document editors on my phone, though I understand that some might. Besides, my fingers are too big to type Word documents on such a small surface with any regularity. Also, I really don't need such a full-featured photo program.
I know I'm asking alot, but be patient. The 3rd party apps will come, as Apple would kill their product without it. Adobe probably won't do a mobile Photoshop, but I'd almost guarantee a DocumentsToGo for the iPhone. Palm, like the Garnet OS, is a dinosaur. They will be gone in the near future, and I have no interest in what their executives have to say. They still can't put out a compelling new product at the $400 price point after years of practice. Let's see: Blazer, VersaMail and pTunes vs. Safari, Mail and the best iPod yet. Can we really even talk about these devices in the same breath?
Wi-Fi is at the top of my list. This is the #1 reason why I wouldn't buy a Q or a Treo. 3G will come, as Steve specifically mentioned it in the keynote. While I have around 30GB of music, I can easily narrow it down to selections that I'll actually listen to before the next sync. Google Maps looks to be well-implemented, so directions on the go will be a snap. I do anticipate that we'll see a 3rd party Bluetooth GPS solution, probably from Garmin. Even if that package comes in at $299, then the total package will only equal the price of a Nuvi. Finally, it's got push email and a real mobile web browser. I don't need anything else. I sure don't need any document editors on my phone, though I understand that some might. Besides, my fingers are too big to type Word documents on such a small surface with any regularity. Also, I really don't need such a full-featured photo program.
I know I'm asking alot, but be patient. The 3rd party apps will come, as Apple would kill their product without it. Adobe probably won't do a mobile Photoshop, but I'd almost guarantee a DocumentsToGo for the iPhone. Palm, like the Garnet OS, is a dinosaur. They will be gone in the near future, and I have no interest in what their executives have to say. They still can't put out a compelling new product at the $400 price point after years of practice. Let's see: Blazer, VersaMail and pTunes vs. Safari, Mail and the best iPod yet. Can we really even talk about these devices in the same breath?
It is not a new OS X. Under it all is a UNIX kernel with BSD on top, the rest are just wrapped up.
Well you could place the iPhone on a table or lap and use one hand... The second hand, from what I saw, only held the iPhone it was never required to do anything other than turn it. That thought makes me wonder though ... which orientation the screen would think it was in when places flat on its back? Maybe there is a manual selection for that too?
Sorry, I meant only new iteration as in it has a new UI but essentially still OS X and all that is wonderful and therefore a host of developers already out there
No, I mean one handed. Have it in one hand and use it with the same hand, just like any other phone.
I had a P900 - a good phone but I got really tired of its two handed nature. I had to use the stylus to get to the majority of the functionality and that meant TWO HANDS. Forget about the stylus - it was the need for two hands.
Thats me, other people may not find this a problem.
OK I understand.
Maybe a new 3rd party product opportunity ... a flexi-snake extension that fits round the neck and extends a false hand in front of the user ... "Griffin iArm"
I wasn't even thinking 3rd party software, I simply meant hardware accessories. Cases and jackets and stuff.
Personally, it's hard for me to talk up the touch screen feature because, to me, that's one of the major weaknesses of the phone. The thought of using a virtual keyboard for typing up email or texting really makes me cringe.
This is how Palms used to be. They started putting keyboards on these things for a reason.
This is a good one! This will go down in history along with quotes about mice and graphical UIs not ever going to catch on
I know we all just saw a paradigm shift in Phone UIs. While making negative iPhone comments Palm, Trio et al are all in their R&D departments screaming to find a way to copy this. 100% guaranteed
OK I understand.
Maybe a new 3rd party product opportunity ... a flexi-snake extension that fits round the neck and extends a false hand in front of the user ... "Griffin iArm"
I need that!!
Read thread #500. It is complaint after complaint about the original iPod. The amount of people who cannot see the significance of technological advances, or just plain design elegance and ease of use, is truly amazing. Steve Jobs said in an interview, "people don't know what they want until we tell them," or words to that effect. How true.