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I went to return it at VZW and of course they did not have any of the 16GB's in stock.

I'm going to wait till I go to our Florida house where an apple store is in 2 weeks.
 
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+1 why don't you just charge it overnight? This seems pretty simple.

I shouldn't have to charge it, thats the point. Who knows where I could be when I don't have my charger with me and my phone will drastically drop 80% at night and boom, I don't have a phone anymore.

Dropped 56 or 80% is unacceptable.
 
Something is running, definetely.

Try this: push your home button twice and you list of multitasked apps should show.

My wife had the same problem you did and she had about 47 apps running all at the same time!

Right now I have settings and mail open only and my phone is at 83% charge despite being up since 6 am this morning.
 
I shouldn't have to charge it, thats the point. Who knows where I could be when I don't have my charger with me and my phone will drastically drop 80% at night and boom, I don't have a phone anymore.

Dropped 56 or 80% is unacceptable.

Stop saying you shouldn't have to do things!

If you want something work you're going to have to make it work yourself. As much as Apple wants you to believe it, it's not a magical piece of fairy dust that automagically caters to your every need. It's a phone, a great phone, but it's still just a phone. If you don't like it, you don't have to use it.
 
Stop saying you shouldn't have to do things!

If you want something work you're going to have to make it work yourself. As much as Apple wants you to believe it, it's not a magical piece of fairy dust that automagically caters to your every need. It's a phone, a great phone, but it's still just a phone. If you don't like it, you don't have to use it.

Clearly you didn't understand what I said. You quoted an answer I gave someone.

And tell me this- Has you phone ever dropped 80% over 7 hrs on standby during sleep? With only messages open in the apps? Probably not, so don't tell me what I should be thinking.
 
Something is running, definetely.

Try this: push your home button twice and you list of multitasked apps should show.

My wife had the same problem you did and she had about 47 apps running all at the same time!

Right now I have settings and mail open only and my phone is at 83% charge despite being up since 6 am this morning.

I had no apps running besides Messages, Settings.
 
I also am running Find my iPhone

I'm surprised nobody caught onto this comment yet. Find my iPhone is a great way to drain your battery. GPS is expensive, and every ping sent to your phone getting its location will drain the battery. Once a minute through the night will definitely see the drain you are experiencing.

The catch is this: the app needs to be running on one of your iOS devices (do you have an iPad?), or on your machine. Do you have a computer that runs through the night and left it on to the MobileMe website?

You can try turning off Find My iPhone for this device overnight to see if it is the culprit of your drain. And then your next step would be to figure out what is causing your device to get pinged constantly through the night.
 
Clearly you didn't understand what I said. You quoted an answer I gave someone.

And tell me this- Has you phone ever dropped 80% over 7 hrs on standby during sleep? With only messages open in the apps? Probably not, so don't tell me what I should be thinking.

No, because I charge my phone overnight. You should try it sometime.
 
I'm surprised nobody caught onto this comment yet. Find my iPhone is a great way to drain your battery. GPS is expensive, and every ping sent to your phone getting its location will drain the battery. Once a minute through the night will definitely see the drain you are experiencing.

The catch is this: the app needs to be running on one of your iOS devices (do you have an iPad?), or on your machine. Do you have a computer that runs through the night and left it on to the MobileMe website?

You can try turning off Find My iPhone for this device overnight to see if it is the culprit of your drain. And then your next step would be to figure out what is causing your device to get pinged constantly through the night.

I haven't checked my mobileme website since I setup 'Find my iPhone'

Do you think this is draining it?
 
I haven't checked my mobileme website since I setup 'Find my iPhone'

Do you think this is draining it?

It would certainly explain it, but something has to be accessing the service to ping the phone. Either the app running on another device (iPad, or iPod Touch) or someone logged into your account on the website.

You can turn off Find my iPhone without deleting the MobileMe account (or disabling the whole account) on your phone. If you do that overnight, and the drain goes away, then it is the culprit and something somewhere was constantly accessing the location data.
 
It would certainly explain it, but something has to be accessing the service to ping the phone. Either the app running on another device (iPad, or iPod Touch) or someone logged into your account on the website.

You can turn off Find my iPhone without deleting the MobileMe account (or disabling the whole account) on your phone. If you do that overnight, and the drain goes away, then it is the culprit and something somewhere was constantly accessing the location data.

I only have Find My iPhone app on my iPhone, no other device and I highly doubt someone is using my account.

But I have deleted the account and will try it.

Also, I'm thinking I should do a restore. The last 3 charge cycles my usage time keeps saying the same as standby.
 
You could also check your Internet usage. If it's exceedingly high, you know it's something software related and not a hardware malfunction.
 
I haven't checked my mobileme website since I setup 'Find my iPhone'

Do you think this is draining it?
I know you asked another poster the question, but in the spirit of trying to help, I thought I would give my perspective. I have "Find my iPhone" on my Verizon iPhone and It does not noticeably drain the battery unless I am actively using it (trying to get it's location using my laptop etc). I also leave WiFi on throughout the night (this typically uses less of a charge than leaving the phone on 3G) and it only drops the battery a few percentage points. Switching your Gmail from fetching every 15 min to having the email "pushed" to you is also a good idea as this typically uses less of a battery charge (an exception would be if you are getting hundreds of emails a day). I use Gmail through the iPhone "exchange" account and it doesn't noticeably drain my battery (I usually receive 10-15 emails a day).

As you realize (and as most folks here have pointed out), the decrease in battery charge that you are seeing is atypical and just should not be happening (though I realize it is happening for you). I do not necessarily think that "TuneIn Radio" is an issue (as you have mentioned that you are turning everything off) but I have accidentally let that run in the background before and it really drains the battery rather quickly. Make sure to always press the square "stop" stop button and not the "pause" button if you want to stop it for the night etc. Just a thought.
 
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If you check the many battery threads here, you'll see the most common things are mentioned: apps running that don't shut down correctly, push e-mail/notifications, and find my iphone in the latest posts, although I didn't have that issue. Physical problems are few and far between.

Could there be a physical problem with your iPhone? Yes. But for me, it's usually the app issue. Never did track it down to a specific app, and it is inconsistent. When I see it happen, I end a bunch of apps and it has resolved it for me. If that's the issue for you, a new phone will not fix it.
 
I know you asked another poster the question, but in the spirit of trying to help, I thought I would give my perspective. I have "Find my iPhone" on my Verizon iPhone and It does not noticeably drain the battery unless I am actively using it (trying to get it's location using my laptop etc). I also leave WiFi on throughout the night (this typically uses less of a charge than leaving the phone on 3G) and it only drops the battery a few percentage points.

As you realize (and as most folks here have pointed out), the decrease in battery charge that you are seeing is atypical and just should not be happening (though I realize it is happening for you). I do not necessarily think that "TuneIn Radio" is an issue (as you have mentioned that you are turning everything off) but I have accidentally let that run in the background before and it really drains the battery rather quickly. Make sure to always press the square "stop" stop button and not the "pause" button if you want to stop it for the night etc. Just a thought.

I've closed all the apps out last night when I dropped 80% except messages app
 
If you check the many battery threads here, you'll see the most common things are mentioned: apps running that don't shut down correctly, push e-mail/notifications, and find my iphone in the latest posts, although I didn't have that issue. Physical problems are few and far between.

Could there be a physical problem with your iPhone? Yes. But for me, it's usually the app issue. Never did track it down to a specific app, and it is inconsistent. When I see it happen, I end a bunch of apps and it has resolved it for me. If that's the issue for you, a new phone will not fix it.

I've said multiple times that I've closed my apps out before bed.
 
I've closed all the apps out last night when I dropped 80% except messages app
I know you've probably turned the phone on/off before but have you tried resetting (not restoring) the phone?

To reset, press and hold the Sleep/Wake button and the Home button together for at least ten seconds, until the Apple logo appears. You may have already tried this but it's worth a shot. This is only something you should have to do in rare circumstances. I would also take a look at your home wifi setup. Is there anything about it that might be unusual and interacting poorly with your phone. I suppose a WiFi router could cause some sort of strange interaction though I must admit that it seems highly unlikely this would be the cause of your malady. I only raise it because it appears you've tried nearly everything else.
 
OP: Explain why you dont want to charge your phone overnight?

I charge my phone every night, but that's because i choose to. If OP chooses not to, why shouldn't the battery work the same as if in standby during another time? The timing of the battery drain isn't whats the issue, its the fact that for an 8 hour period of just being on standby the phone is losing a significant amount of juice.
 
Thought I'd pitch in with my two cents. When I first got my iphone 4, I set it up with a backup from my iphone 3g, and while it was ok, battery life got worse over time, and I always thought my phone seemed slower than any of my friends '4s. Just before xmas I set it up as a new phone, and (whether this is subconscious or not) it seems to be faster and battery life is improved too. So you might try restoring it as a new phone - might be a pain losing stuff like messages, but as long as everything is backed up, it shouldn't be an issue. Also, I am currently living in Dubai, where the network providers openly admit 3G coverage is pretty poor, so if the phone is on 3g and constantly looking for signal, the battery can drop ridiculously fast. At one point it was dropping about 20-30% overnight, which improved a little with restoring. I think the persistent WiFi might have actually improved battery life on mine; it will still drop battery overnight, although bearing in mind that I usually get emails coming through most of the night. But if you say your usage time is exactly the same as standby time, then surely there must be something running, no?
With mine, I charged the phone overnight, and so far I've used it for music for about 30 mins on the drive to work, received 3 emails, received some IM messages, some facebook notifications, couple of phone calls over bluetooth in the car, some texting, internet/facebook browsing over 3g and now its been connected to the office WiFi for the past two hours, and I'm now down at 95%.
 
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