iPhone Coming to Verizon... Next Year?

[nimda0]

What part of "there are other CDMA carriers around the world" did you not understand? GSM may be ubiquitous, but it's NOT a "world standard." It IS a European standard and is used throughout the world, but there is no one-world government saying GSM is the standard for wireless communication.

GSM isn't a world standard? What world do you live in? Sure it is. NOBODY has to announce that something is the "standard" for it to actually be the standard.

Everyone I know drives a car that has round wheels and rubber tires. I believe it's safe to say that the standard is round wheels and rubber tires for the entire world.

However, nobody has announced that I know of that round wheels and rubber tires are the standard for ALL automobiles. People can still produce metal square wheels if they want, but the standard as we know it.... is rubber.

GSM has a world market of 82% while CDMA has only about 18% of the world market. Those numbers don't lie.

So, was there any part of that... that you didn't understand?

EDIT:
See also this article where it CLEARLY tells you that CDMA is the dominant standard currently in the United States, but that GSM is CLEARLY the world standard over-all.

You lose.

http://www.diffen.com/difference/CDMA_vs_GSM

 

[redman042]

This thread is utterly pointless. Take it from someone who started threads like this 6 months ago when I was a Verizon customer and so badly wanted the iPhone without switching carriers (I eventually did switch).

No one has any clue if or when Verizon will get the iPhone. If it's in the works, it would be a secret as closely guarded as the next military spy plane.

It certainly makes sense for Verizon to sell the phone. They have a ton of customers and many in areas that don't have good (or any) AT&T coverage. But that doesn't mean they are going to get the phone.

Every indication is Verizon is pursuing an avenue of competing with, instead of joining, Apple. So far they are failing miserably **cough...storm...cough** but that's another story.

Because of this total lack of info, all you will ever get from a thread like this is flames, fanboy comments, and inaccurate but oft-repeated sound bites like "CDMA is dead" and "Verizon shunned Apple so they are not coming back" and "Verizon is going with GSM soon" etc.

Have fun arguing to death but you won't get anywhere. You only have three choices: (1) Wait and hope; (2) Bite the bullet and switch; or (3) Stick with Verizon and get an iPod Touch.

Sucks, but true.

 

[jlwillia]

This thread is utterly pointless. Take it from someone who started threads like this 6 months ago when I was a Verizon customer and so badly wanted the iPhone without switching carriers (I eventually did switch).

So are you glad you switched? If you could go back in time 6 months would have made the same decision? Do you ever wish you could have your iPhone on Verizon?

This is why these stupid threads will never die. People want their cake and eat it too. I don't blame them, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[redman042]

So are you glad you switched? If you could go back in time 6 months would have made the same decision? Do you ever wish you could have your iPhone on Verizon?

This is why these stupid threads will never die. People want their cake and eat it too. I don't blame them, but I'm not holding my breath.

Yes, I'm very happy with my choice, but everyones situation is different. Just look at the AT&T coverage map. There are big ass hole on there still. For many, switching is either not an option at all or it's one that involves a huge hit in coverage. For me it was only a minor hit.

So I don't blame anyone for hoping, but they should know that no one on these forums can say anything constructive that will help.

 

[w00master]

Except... 6.7 billion people are afforded GSM and 300 million are afforded CDMA.

They won't ever allow people to use the iPhone on Verizon's network, but once an LTE iPhone exists, and once AT&T and Verizon upgrades their entire networks to LTE, you will be able to unlock an iPhone and use it on Verizon.

Exaggerate much?

Listen, yes much of the world uses GSM, but CDMA is used around the world ON EVERY CONTINENT.

Even when AT&T and VZW goes LTE, the distinction between CDMA & GSM will be around for a very long time - way longer than the "exclusivity" between AT&T and Apple. Therefore, in order for Apple to dramatically increase marketshare in the U.S. is to add VZW. By the way after the Alltel merger is complete with VZW, this will make VZW the largest wireless carrier in the U.S.

Exclusivity to AT&T is the biggest thing that is holding the iPhone back in the U.S. There are now combined GSM/CDMA chips that are available that are not much bigger than the GSM-only chip used right now on the iPhone. This is by no means a big hurdle or manufacturing hurdle for Apple. As of right now, it is ONLY a exclusivity hold back.

Apple ended the price gap with iPhone 3G. The only thing left is adding more networks which will bring more people to buy the iPhone. There are many who for a variety of reasons (e.g. contractual, network appreciation, etc.) that WILL NEVER SWITCH to AT&T. Apple knows this. Apple likes to go big and going with a network like T-Mobile or Sprint is merely "small beans." When the exclusivity is over with AT&T, Apple will want to go with the big shark: VZW.

Maybe it won't happen in 2009 or even 2010, but it will happen eventually. No doubt about it.

 

[redman042]

Exaggerate much?

Listen, yes much of the world uses GSM, but CDMA is used around the world ON EVERY CONTINENT.

I've made the same argument here many times. Yes GSM is more pervasive, but there is plenty of CDMA customers out there to justify a CDMA iPhone. Sure it makes sense that Apple started with GSM, so they can spread the phone around the world, but following up with CDMA would totally be a profitable move for them.

Here's how I see it: The sole reason we do not have a CDMA iPhone yet is because Steve Jobs is leveraging the power of his brand to secure terrific business deals from the GSM carriers, particularly AT&T. We already know that the original exclusivity deal with AT&T was not nearly as long as rumored, but the deal was extended with the iPhone 3G. We also know that AT&T took a huge near-term financial hit to stay exclusive. They announced this in their June conference call and said it was all aimed at increasing subscriber growth and long term data revenues. We have also learned that it costs Apple much less to build the iPhone than what AT&T pays per unit (and then subsidizes to new customers). So in every sense, Apple is getting an extremely sweet deal. They are also beating sales projections by a wide margin.

So, while a CDMA iPhone would certainly help Apple expand into new markets, right now the alternative (staying exclusive to GSM) is a better deal to Apple.

It would not surprise me at all if Apple has a CDMA prototype. Heck, Steve probably walked into AT&T's executive offices with one back in March or April, showed it to the CEO, and said "extend your agreement with us under the new financial terms, or else I start making these by the millions and selling them through Verizon".

If, or when we will ever see a CDMA iPhone, all depends on the rate at which Apple can keep selling iPhones and what deals Steve can strike next.

 

[longball11]

ATT is best around here. Verizon wouldn't be good.

I could care less. I think if both networks had it the iphone would double or tripple it's market share.

With Verizon contributing more. GG

 

[longball11]

Im hearing more and more rumors that the iphone is coming to verizon this summer. I don't know how to put this..... Is the rumor getting more reliable/popular? I also don't know how to put this but im gonna say it..... O DEAR GOD BRING THE IPHONE TO VERIZON ! IT WILL LIGHT THE SKY UP.

 

[Mr. Giver '94]

WHY MUST THESE THREADS BE RESURRECTED?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It ain't happening at least not for another two years IF it happens at all!!!!!

 

[longball11]

WHY MUST THESE THREADS BE RESURRECTED?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It ain't happening at least not for another two years IF it happens at all!!!!!

Please do not complain. People spam threads that are repeated and say look for the forum that "supposedly" already discussed. You gotta problem with this, please do not comment, for that matter, do not look into this thread, k? thanks.

 

[Enigmafan420]

Carrier Loyalty

With Verizon contributing more. GG

The Verizon Vs. AT&T argument is almost as annoying as the PC/Mac. Actually it is worse because I believe the Mac can be shown to be a better computer in many ways.

For cellular service, not so much.

BOTH carriers are huge mega corporations with ****** customer service that try to extract as much $$$ from you each month as they can.

I am on ATT-that being said, I hate them. But I have friends on Verizon who have nothing nice to say about them either.

Best cellular company I ever had for price and customer service is Voicestream-T Mobile, but their coverage is way less than either of Verizon or ATT.

Fact is, with Cellular, the opinions are subjective for the most part. I think it can be shown on the east coast that verizon is better-on the west, it is a coin toss.

 

[wonderbread57]

+598

verizon sucks. they had a shot at the iphone but turned it down because apple wouldn't let them cripple their phone like they cripple every phone they provide. so much disdain for verizon... SO MUCH!!

 

[longball11]

+598

verizon sucks. they had a shot at the iphone but turned it down because apple wouldn't let them cripple their phone like they cripple every phone they provide. so much disdain for verizon... SO MUCH!!

Beep! WRONG! AT&T suffered as a result of getting the iphone because they had to change lots of their plans and the iphones didnt generate the projected sales. Look at Verizon now, they are the largest carrier by bringing in Alltel and they have the most people in the network. GG.

 

[plumbingandtech]

Look at Verizon now, they are the largest carrier b

So.

Microsoft is the biggest OS vendor by far.

Should be all switch to Windows?


Yah sure ATT suffered, like me suffering back pains when I lift bags of the gold I panned at the river.

Verizon blew it. Now all they can do is sell second rate phones that they cripple for favor their services and wants.

 

[kdarling]

Verizon blew it. Now all they can do is sell second rate phones that they cripple for favor their services and wants.

And... this is different from Apple crippling the iPhone and locking it to certain carriers & iTunes... how?

 

[BenRoethig]

The Verizon Vs. AT&T argument is almost as annoying as the PC/Mac. Actually it is worse because I believe the Mac can be shown to be a better computer in many ways.

For cellular service, not so much.

BOTH carriers are huge mega corporations with ****** customer service that try to extract as much $$$ from you each month as they can.

I am on ATT-that being said, I hate them. But I have friends on Verizon who have nothing nice to say about them either.

Best cellular company I ever had for price and customer service is Voicestream-T Mobile, but their coverage is way less than either of Verizon or ATT.

Fact is, with Cellular, the opinions are subjective for the most part. I think it can be shown on the east coast that verizon is better-on the west, it is a coin toss.

I agree. It all depends on what your area is like. Where I live the CDMA network is much more extensive than GSM. I have AT&T as well and it really only has service along the major highways and metro areas. My friends and family who have Verizon or U.S. cellular can get coverage just about anywhere.

 

[dccorona]

And... this is different from Apple crippling the iPhone and locking it to certain carriers & iTunes... how?

because it has WiFi?

Verizon made blackberry remove WiFi from the storm so that customres would be forced to use their 3g network

Sounds like a BS scam to me
I'll never give them my money

 

[wonderbread57]

because it has WiFi?

Verizon made blackberry remove WiFi from the storm so that customres would be forced to use their 3g network

Sounds like a BS scam to me
I'll never give them my money

Verizon made samsung disable full screen movie viewing on my old phone because they wanted the red verizon stripe branding on their phone visible at all times. Natzis.

 

[Enigmafan420]

So.

Microsoft is the biggest OS vendor by far.

Should be all switch to Windows?


Yah sure ATT suffered, like me suffering back pains when I lift bags of the gold I panned at the river.

Verizon blew it. Now all they can do is sell second rate phones that they cripple for favor their services and wants.

Really have to agree on Verizon (and also Sprint) locking their phones up tighter than Fort Knox.

I used to have a Moto Razr and when I was with T-Mobile and when I went to AT&T, I could add my own ring towns, add games, etc. Most of which could be done without paying either carrier.

I have friends with CDMA versions of the RAZR that couldn't change ANYTHING. One friend, in particular, on Sprint, couldn't do one single change. And Sprint wanted to charge him $3(!) for ring tones that would last only 90 days (I think-may have been 6 months).

This is a complete outrage-if you buy the phone, you should be able to MOD it.

And don't get my started on the iPhone-yeah I had to jail break it. BFD! I can now add any theme, picture, sound, and lots of unofficial software. And oh yeah, I can use my 3G on Rogers or FIDO prepaid when I travel to Canada and not pay outrageous intl roaming charges.

Try THAT on ANY CDMA phone...

 

[STEVESKI07]

So.

Microsoft is the biggest OS vendor by far.

Should be all switch to Windows?


Yah sure ATT suffered, like me suffering back pains when I lift bags of the gold I panned at the river.

Verizon blew it. Now all they can do is sell second rate phones that they cripple for favor their services and wants.

If you work in the corporate world then yes...you should switch to Windows. Or, more likely, you shouldn't have switched from Windows in the first place.

I love the iPods and the iPhones, but I will never switch away from a PC. Why would I pay twice the amount for a computer that I can't even do any real work on?

 

[Tallest Skil]

Why would I pay twice the amount for a computer that I can't even do any real work on?

Why would you come to a forum about said computers to troll your uninformed and incorrect ideas?

 

[zap2]

Beep! WRONG! .

Aren't you so witty!

AT&T suffered as a result of getting the iphone because they had to change lots of their plans

Huh? AT&T didn't suffer,they just made iPhone plans...it really wasn't a big deal

the iphones didnt generate the projected sales.

The only projection Apple made was 10M before the end of 2008....the beat that, and AT&T took a large part of that in

Look at Verizon now, they are the largest carrier by bringing in Alltel and they have the most people in the network. GG.

Thats good for people on Verizon(more in network free calls) but a majority of my phone minutes are spent on AT&T lines, so I'm not hurting

Oh and GSM is a beautiful thing...can't update my phone at my will, without AT&T

 

[STEVESKI07]

Why would you come to a forum about said computers to troll your uninformed and incorrect ideas?

This is an iPhone forum not a Mac forum. You're right, I'm completely uninformed about computers, I'm only a software developer. I knew that post would cause people to start flaming. If you missed the first part, I said I love iPods and iPhones and I don't think the Zune or any other Microsoft comparable product can compete with it as of now.

My girlfriend owns a Mac and I COULD not do my work on it when I was visiting her. So you're right, I'm uninformed and incorrect. A lot of younger kids want to get Macs because they look cool. Half the reason people get iPhones and iPods is because they look cool. To me, getting a stylish phone is important and having a stylish laptop isn't. I do a lot of working out of the office on my PC and most of the people I know do also. So, in my experience, a PC is more practical in the business world. If you write memos and fill out excel spreadsheets all day, then yes, I'm sure any operating system will do.

 

[Tallest Skil]

...I'm only a software developer...

What do you develop?

 

[wonderbread57]

This is a complete outrage-if you buy the phone, you should be able to MOD it.

And don't get my started on the iPhone-yeah I had to jail break it. BFD! I can now add any theme, picture, sound, and lots of unofficial software.

How did you MOD your MacBook to allow for themes (assuming you did)?

A beef of mine with Mac products is that there is so very little options given to you to customize the interface. Hope developers realize some customization with Snow Leopard.