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It's a no brainer that Android will surpass iOS in the mobile phone share, considering the fact that there are tons of Android phones chasing the iPhone 4 & iPhone 3GS. However things may change once the iPhone reaches more carriers in the U.S. I personally know a lot of people with other carriers that are using an Android phone because it's the closest thing to the iPhone for them. I have to say in my opinion it was a major mistake for Apple to limit themselves to AT&T in the U.S. for all this time. Let's hope all this Verizon iPhone hype is true!
 
So, here is my question...

Note: I don't own a smart phone, or have a wireless data plan.

I go and get liquered up, head over to the Radio Shack, and get a ?300 phone on Sprint (for free, with a two year contract), will I be able to play Angry Birds on my 'new' Android 1.5 phone?

I would rather pay the few dollars for a good iPad app, than get it for free and have to deal with the adds.

Second question, do these adds use data, or do the come preloaded with the app?

wait what?

what about this
go on kijiji and get an android phone for $150 with no contract, connect the phone to your wifi and download angry birds
also download adblocker and have no ads in any program. (or just edit the hosts file)

(you are still contract free as well as carrier free at this point)

i think the only thing you need to download angrybirds is........... an internet connection you dont even need a gmail account just get the APK file and throw it on your phone

that $150 phone probably would be an Acer Liquid, im sure you can get it even cheaper if you look, it would be running 2.1 out of the box if it was unrooted, if rooted you can run 2.3 or whatever you feel like running
 
She's not familiar with the Droid ads, at all. I just thought it was interesting since macrumors posted an article that showed that the iphone was most popular with girls than guys, and I mostly see girls with iPhone. If anything she probably said that because mostly girls in the school have iPhones.

And most of the iPhone owners I know are men, so there's another meaningless anecdotal statement :)

The ads get carried into the population's consciousness, so even if you haven't seen the ads, you get the point as it gets repeated by word of mouth.
 
The scenario in the US:

Various Android phones (by different manufacturers) are available on every carrier (including pay-as-you-go) and are heavily subsidized across many (buy one get one free, etc.).

What do you expect?

What's impressive is that the iPhone (one manufacturer) is available on only one carrier (AT&T) with a subsidy not even comparable and it still puts up numbers like that. That's impressive.

Didn't a recent poll show that most users want an iPhone and either can't afford it or it's not available on their carrier. Pretty simple to me.

Summed up nicely
 
xbox integtration
full exchange support (not yet but MS said its coming, this means both tasks, SMS sync and sharepoint)
office 2010 support
Zune integration (wireless sync is handy to some, just cant beat zune pass with any other service)

WP7 is like iOS and Android combined, syncs with media management software (itunes like)
choice of HW and config (android)

You realize iPhone has full exchange support right? I use it right now and am hooked into my company's system. That's hilarious that MS didn't have their own crap integrated out of the box...LOL!

Office - iPhone can open up all office documents to look at...sure you can't edit them. Honestly this is good enough for me. I think a phone's screen is way to small to be creating and editing MS docs. MS is supposedly coming out with iphone apps for Office for those that want to do something like this.

I don't really care about the rest on your list. I don't use zune nor do I use xbox.

What about integration with iTunes or iPod or Apple TV. The iPhone has all of this right out of the box and it works well. I can go over to my friends house and stream a movie from my iPhone to his TV or play a song from my iPhone on his entertainment system or control his iTunes on his Mac/PC with my iPhone or control his Apple TV with my iPhone with 1 click over wifi...it's that simple! :)

Kan-O-Z
 
Jailbreak / Root = same thing, YES... but

^ That

People talk about Android being "open" and how iPhone can't be without being jailbroken first.

Well, news for you, people who actually care about an OS being "open" will usually go the extra mile to jailbreak their iPhone. 99% of the other people don't care.
 
Jobs is happy with 2% world wide marketshare for computers so he will be more than happy with 5% marketshare for smartphones in the future. Though I somehow doubt that people will be so happy when 5 year old Android games get ported to iOS in the future...
 
not really, developers want a large customer base as well (more ads seen = more money in alot of cases)

if android has more users, your chance of more users that download your program is on android.

but your partially correct, people that use iOS dont usually have a problem with paying (just look at how much apple stuff costs)

so paid program = iOS
free ad program = Android

I thought both iOS and Android had paid / free / ad apps.
 
You get whatever Motorola or Samsung let you have, plus whatever Verizon decides to foist upon you. Want the latest version of Android? You wait. And wait. Maybe forever, if the cell providers want you to upgrade your hardware instead. How is this free again?

^^This

Prior to purchasing my iPhone 3G, I owned many Windows CE and Windows Mobile handsets. All unlocked from the carrier or manufacturer.

The fragmentation of those handsets was a daunting task for manufacturers and carriers to support. Everything from the blue-tooth stack, audio issues, functionality and interface could be updated. Unfortunately, many users were at the mercy of the carrier or manufacturer to release an update. Which rarely happened and will probably be similar for Android/WinMo 7.

After eight years of downloading cooked ROMs or asking friends and former co-workers for ROM updates, I was done. I purchased the 3G when released and the iPhone 4 last year.

There is a place in the market for all of the mobile OS platforms. However, the product proliferation among Android, Microsoft and handset manufacturers is deja vu for me....
 
Most android users on other networks secretly want an iphone.

But they wont admit it.

With Android having more carriers one would think it would be more competitive.

What will likely happen is that Android will briefly take the top spot for a year or two until newly signed contracts end and the iphone is available on more carriers.

So what about someone like myself, an Android user on AT&T, satisfied with their service, not under contract and upgrade eligible, and with $200 in disposable income to spend on a phone? You're assuming I secretly want an iPhone, but I don't. All of the right pieces are in place for me to get an iPhone, and yet, I still don't want one. I have an Android phone and love it, and will only be upgrading to a new Android phone in the future.

I think he was simply pointing out that there are many Android users (on OTHER networks) that really want the iPhone but is not available to them. He wasn't singling you out.
 
Jobs is happy with 2% world wide marketshare for computers so he will be more than happy with 5% marketshare for smartphones in the future. Though I somehow doubt that people will be so happy when 5 year old Android games get ported to iOS in the future...

No, he won't want 5% share, and he won't settle for 5% share. Part of the reason why is the example you used: game companies like iOS because people actually pay for those games. And where the developers go, the software goes, and that's with iOS. That's not going to change until Android users start showing a willingness to support software with their wallet.
 
Looking at these charts...

Two things come to mind:

* the writing is on the wall
* Article's title (iPhone Continues to Hold Off Android in U.S. Smartphone Market Share) got it totally wrong.The right title should something like "Android continues gaining on iOS".
 
I thought both iOS and Android had paid / free / ad apps.

They do both have paid, free, and ad supported apps.

It's not the OS's and devices that are different. But the typical or average behavior of their respective customers is very different.

Android owners rarely buy apps. Maybe Android owners like looking at ads? Thus Android developers have to target making money from ads (not much money per customer, so developers have to break even by getting a massive number of people to download and run their apps).

A much higher percentage of iPhone owners buy apps, and those who buy apps buy more apps. Thus there is more App store money for the iOS developer community per each device owner, on average, and a paid app developer can make money with only a modest amount of downloads per day. Thus a larger iOS dev community. Only ten $9.99 apps per day is $25K per annum (decent for a university student), how many ad impressions does it take to match that income stream?
 
Popular perception is formed by the press. The press routinely prints anti-Apple pieces (for prejudice or money). People read them. People believe them. People get fooled.

This is the most absurd thing I've ever read. When does Apple get negative press from the mainstream media? The most negative thing I've ever read has been stuff along the lines of "Yeah, the iPhone is great, but it's not perfect . . . yet" or "10 Reasons why the iPad isn't as revolutionary as Jobs says it will be." Hardly anti-Apple. It's barely even negative.

Everyone believes that Android has taken over market share because it's inevitable. In 2015 no one will sit back and think, "Hey, remember when people said Android had the most smartphone market share six whole months before it actually happened? The horror!"

The only way to slow Android growth is to open the iPhone to all the U.S. carriers. And even then one high end phone cannot compete with software that will be on phones that range from high end to free.
 
Two things come to mind:

* the writing is on the wall
* Article's title (iPhone Continues to Hold Off Android in U.S. Smartphone Market Share) got it totally wrong.The right title should something like "Android continues gaining on iOS".

How was the original title "totally wrong"? It is an accurate description of the data. As would a title like "Android continues to gain on iPhone in U.S. Smartphone Market Share." Both descriptions would apply equally.

However, your proposal of "Android continues gaining on iOS" is an inaccurate description of the data.
 
This is the most absurd thing I've ever read. When does Apple get negative press from the mainstream media? The most negative thing I've ever read has been stuff along the lines of "Yeah, the iPhone is great, but it's not perfect . . . yet" or "10 Reasons why the iPad isn't as revolutionary as Jobs says it will be." Hardly anti-Apple. It's barely even negative.

Everyone believes that Android has taken over market share because it's inevitable. In 2015 no one will sit back and think, "Hey, remember when people said Android had the most smartphone market share six whole months before it actually happened? The horror!"

The only way to slow Android growth is to open the iPhone to all the U.S. carriers. And even then one high end phone cannot compete with software that will be on phones that range from high end to free.

I disagree the press IS anti-apple! not all but a lot of it is! News Paper title: iSorry: Steve Jobs admits iphone 4 drops more calls than the previous iphone, where he really didn't say that he was being sarcastic about how much it doesn't drop more calls. and many other mainstream press I hear is almost always anti-Apple.
 
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MrWillie said:
pr5owner said:
wait what?

My point is there is still a crap load of Andriod 1.5, 1.6, and 1.7 phones still being sold.

Angry Birds requires 2.0, Flash 10.1 requires 2.2.

http://www.handango.com/catalog/ProductDetails.jsp?productId=281476&platformId=80

So with the growing Android market share, how much of that market share is able to play Angry Birds, and how much of that is 'dumb' smartphone wannabes ?

There is no such thing as Android 1.7 and what are these huge amounts Android 1.5 handsets still being sold today?

Look at the stats pulled from Android Market and you will see that the majority of Android devices are on 2.1 or above.

Where are you getting your data from because it seems flawed.

Edit: according to Rovio (the developers of Angry Birds) it runs on Android 1.6 and upwards fyi.
 
This is the most absurd thing I've ever read. When does Apple get negative press from the mainstream media?

I seriously doubt this is the most absurd thing you have ever read in your entire life, but if it is I congratulate you for discovering the Web. Welcome aboard! :)

OK, seriously, the press prints anti-Apple articles all the time. By anti-Apple, I mean by printing the side of issues that make Apple look worse. By repeating debunked lies. By slanting coverage away from Apple.

I see it all the time. If you don't, I ask you to please look at the news over the next few months and see if you don't see the media leap to report negative Apple issues. It's true they also push good Apple stories. They sort of have to now that Apple is one of the most successful companies in U.S. history. But some of us remember what it was like a decade or two ago when it was all about 'Apple is doomed' and the like. Those old prejudices are still there, but they have to be hidden a bit because of the ridiculous amount of money Apple makes now.

But if you don't see it, that's fine. My statement was still not the most ridiculous thing you've ever read. It's not even the most ridiculous statement you'll read today, or even in this thread.
 
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There is no such thing as Android 1.7 and what are these huge amounts Android 1.5 handsets still being sold today?

Look at the stats pulled from Android Market and you will see that the majority of Android devices are on 2.1 or above.

Where are you getting your data from because it seems flawed.

From the spec sheets at the AT&T store. For the spec sheets at the Radio Shack.

Walk into these stores, and you will see the 1.x still being sold. Local AT&T was still selling three Android phones with 1.X

AT&T is not listing the versions online unless it's 2.1 and up. Walk it the store, open your eyes, they are there.

Edit: okay, 83% are 2.1 and above.
http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html
 
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MrWillie said:
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There is no such thing as Android 1.7 and what are these huge amounts Android 1.5 handsets still being sold today?

Look at the stats pulled from Android Market and you will see that the majority of Android devices are on 2.1 or above.

Where are you getting your data from because it seems flawed.

From the spec sheets at the AT&T store. For the spec sheets at the Radio Shack.

Walk into these stores, and you will see the 1.x still being sold. Local AT&T was still selling three Android phones with 1.X

AT&T is not listing the versions online unless it's 2.1 and up. Walk it the store, open your eyes, they are there.

Edit: okay, 83% are 2.1 and above.
http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html

How does that equate to a "crap load" being sold at all? Look at the Android Market analytics, completely different from what you are proposing.
http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html
Only 16% of devices are using Android 1.5/1.6 and nary a mention of "android 1.7" whatever that is.
 
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How does that equate to a "crap load" being sold at all? Look at the Android Market analytics, completely different from what you are proposing.
http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html
Only 16% of devices are using Android 1.5/1.6 and nary a mention of "android 1.7" whatever that is.

Same link I gave you.

1.7 ? It was on a spec tag at the AT&T store, doesn't mean it's correct, just like Handango stated AB required 2.0. Yea, when I see 4 models of 1.x Andriods still being sold compared to however many 2.x (didn't count)

Willie's Dictionary defines crap load as 12% or more...
 
How was the original title "totally wrong"? It is an accurate description of the data. As would a title like "Android continues to gain on iPhone in U.S. Smartphone Market Share." Both descriptions would apply equally.

However, your proposal of "Android continues gaining on iOS" is an inaccurate description of the data.

I think the phrase "continue to hold off" describes the relationship in progression as opposed to s snapshot status. It obviously hides the fact that Android is about to overtake iOS. Yes the total number iOS devices is still higher than that of Android. The more accurate phrase to describe the dynamic of this relationship would be something like "iOS continues to loose ground to Android"
 
And most of the iPhone owners I know are men, so there's another meaningless anecdotal statement :)

The ads get carried into the population's consciousness, so even if you haven't seen the ads, you get the point as it gets repeated by word of mouth.

If you re read what I wrote, there was an article on this website that showed that iPhones were most popular with girls. And in my personal case which has nothing to do with the study, just like your case, I said that she might have said that because of the fact that mostly girls have iPhones in my school. So as you can see, one thing has nothing to do with the other. I didn't say that mostly girls have iPhones because of my experience, I said because of the study on an article on macrumors.
 
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