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You can quite clearly see that Android is going to pass iOS in time. At this rate I believe that by June it will surpass the iPhone's market share.
 
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How does that equate to a "crap load" being sold at all? Look at the Android Market analytics, completely different from what you are proposing.
http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html
Only 16% of devices are using Android 1.5/1.6 and nary a mention of "android 1.7" whatever that is.

Same link I gave you.

1.7 ? It was on a spec tag at the AT&T store, doesn't mean it's correct, just like Handango stated AB required 2.0. Yea, when I see 4 models of 1.x Andriods still being sold compared to however many 2.x (didn't count)

Willie's Dictionary defines crap load as 12% or more...

That 16(odd) percentage will contain a lot of legacy phones that are no longer supported.

Judging by the decline in Android 1.6/1.5 over the months, I'd figure that the majority of devices are being sold with 2.1 or above or are receiving firmware updates.

If Android 1.x was seeing a steady increase I'd be inclined to agree with your statements but they just don't add up.
 
This idea gets traction because the Verizon Droid ads are the most blatant examples I've ever seen of playing on male insecurities to sell products. The ads practically scream, "if you are a young male, you'd better get this phone. Everyone else, stay away."

People, being people, tend to internalize such propaganda, and thus you get the stereotypes that girl mentioned. It's not true, but it's what people believe when they don't think for themselves.

What's funnier is my dad thinks the iphone is a girl's phone cause it's too big and no guy would want to put a phone that big in his pocket.
 
You realize iPhone has full exchange support right? I use it right now and am hooked into my company's system. That's hilarious that MS didn't have their own crap integrated out of the box...LOL!


no it does not, not even close, it has the basic 3 for syncing email, calender, contacts, exchange 2010 supports lots more

Office - iPhone can open up all office documents to look at...sure you can't edit them. Honestly this is good enough for me. I think a phone's screen is way to small to be creating and editing MS docs. MS is supposedly coming out with iphone apps for Office for those that want to do something like this.

read only is useless in a corporate environment (and still, no sharepoint integration)

I don't really care about the rest on your list. I don't use zune nor do I use xbox.

of course you dont, your not using it from a corporate environment standpoint nor are you using any other product other than apple.

What about integration with iTunes or iPod or Apple TV. The iPhone has all of this right out of the box and it works well. I can go over to my friends house and stream a movie from my iPhone to his TV or play a song from my iPhone on his entertainment system or control his iTunes on his Mac/PC with my iPhone or control his Apple TV with my iPhone with 1 click over wifi...it's that simple! :)

sure but useless in a corporate environment

i would say DLNA would be more important than airplay

I thought both iOS and Android had paid / free / ad apps.

you didnt really read my post.....
i said if you want to charge for your app your better off with iOS
if you want to make money from ads in your app your better off with Android
 
I think the phrase "continue to hold off" describes the relationship in progression as opposed to s snapshot status. It obviously hides the fact that Android is about to overtake iOS. Yes the total number iOS devices is still higher than that of Android.

Actually the phrase "hold off" implies an approaching competitor. Same as a horse in the lead "holds off" the second place horse through a turn. You don't "hold off" a fading competitor. You "hold off" a surging one.

The more accurate phrase to describe the dynamic of this relationship would be something like "iOS continues to loose ground to Android"

Again, that phrase is less accurate than the original phrase because it does not make it clear that the data is only about smartphones.
 
It looks like Android is taking away from RIM market share and not Apple.

Since this is US only, it seems to mean that cdma users (sprint, verizon and gsm tmobile) are dropping Blackberries to Android smart phones, while ATT users are stable.

It will be interesting to see the trend when and if Apple releases the iPhone for Verizon. So its not clear that Android will surpass iOS...but anything goes.

The data seems to indicate that cdma (and tmobile) users want a better smart phone than BB has...and the only option is Android if they stay with Verizon, sprint, and Tmobile. Of course there are att users that switch, but on average, the plot show apple flat, BB going down at the same rate than Android moves up.

One thing that is under appreciated is service. Walk in to any apple store and get your hardware/software fixed or examined. No so true with all other smart phone makers. That is a big deal to customers.
 
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My point is there is still a crap load of Andriod 1.5, 1.6, and 1.7 phones still being sold.

Angry Birds requires 2.0, Flash 10.1 requires 2.2.

http://www.handango.com/catalog/ProductDetails.jsp?productId=281476&platformId=80

So with the growing Android market share, how much of that market share is able to play Angry Birds, and how much of that is 'dumb' smartphone wannabes ?

Really? They still sell phones with outdated versions of the OS? And from what I hear you can't just updated to the latest version, you have to wait until your network provider offers a 'modified' version of the open system for you phone (which in some cases never happens) .... so much to the advantage of being an 'open' system ... maybe that explains some of the high sales numbers - people have to buy a new phone to get the latest OS update :eek:
 
+1 Exactly! It goes without saying there will be more than one major OS in the smart phone market.

The market is growing all the time. That is the silly thing about these graphs none of them show the market size or growth. There is room enough for 3+ OS/ecosystems to be profitable worldwide already.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a new major world wide player come out of somewhere like china and/or africa.
 
Both Android and iOS are good OS's in different ways. Both have their upsides and downsides.

Personally, I would absolutely love to own an iPhone; but as a student, I just can't afford to pay $70+ a month. (And that's limited features)
I own an Android device. For the most part I love it, but it's still a love/hate relationship sometimes. Functionality wise- Apple beats the pants off Android.


...but hey, I'm paying $25 a month for unlimited data, unlimited texting, and 300 minutes of talk time.
 
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Maybe because Android is basically non-existent on non-phone devices up to this point?

If you wanted to compare iOS to Android, that would make Apple look even more dominant when you consider that iOS is on iPod Touch, iPad, iPhones and now the new Apple TV.

yes but there are like 50 android phones, the google tv, and some tablets with android. just cause g tv and android tablets aren't popular doesnt mean that they dont exist.
 
It's funny to read "iphone continues ... android". Phone vs OS again?

Kind of how the "300,000 activations per day" included the buy one get one free Android phones, music players, tablets, etc. yet they quietly left that out.
 
Jobs is happy with 2% world wide marketshare for computers so he will be more than happy with 5% marketshare for smartphones in the future. Though I somehow doubt that people will be so happy when 5 year old Android games get ported to iOS in the future...

haha what? no he wont, and the android wont take the iphone over by that much...plus when iphone gets spread out more via carriers they will stay close or ahead.....

BTW its like 10% not 2......
 
Jobs is happy with 2% world wide marketshare for computers so he will be more than happy with 5% marketshare for smartphones in the future. Though I somehow doubt that people will be so happy when 5 year old Android games get ported to iOS in the future...

Not sure how you came up with those exact numbers - but the exact number anyway does not matter: I agree he is happy with a smaller percentage of the market share as long as he makes more money with it than all the others with there big market shares. Market share (as long as above a certain threshold so that the product has some visibility) doesn't mean too much for a company - what counts (for the company, shareholders, etc) is how much money they squeeze out of this market share, and this is where apple (as a corporation) wins. What good is 90% market share if the one with 10% market share makes more money? Guess the one with 90% is doing something wrong in that case.
 
Both Android and iOS are good OS's in different ways. Both have their upsides and downsides.

Personally, I would absolutely love to own an iPhone; but as a student, I just can't afford to pay $70+ a month. (And that's limited features)
I own an Android device. For the most part I love it, but it's still a love/hate relationship sometimes. Functionality wise- Apple beats the pants off Android.


...but hey, I'm paying $25 a month for unlimited data, unlimited texting, and 300 minutes of talk time.

Are those price differences accurate for Chicago? Is there really no iPhone plan for less than $70+ a month?
 
Device:
HTC Evo 4G(last sync 2 h 13 min ago)
Apps:
83 total, 71 free (85%), 12 paid (14%)
Total Size:
186MB
Total price (currently):
$40.99

The difference is there is more free apps on android doesn't mean they can't make money. Its all about software/dev support as android has way more recent models/upgrades available. who cares if android passed or will pass ios? enjoy either phone you got.
The Android numbers can climb to a clear majority without affecting the iOS ecosystem. Why?

Android customers don't spend anywhere near as much money per person on apps. Many don't buy paid apps at all. Developers usually follow the money, so iOS is where most of the cool new stuff and creative apps will happen first. Customers who want the cool apps will continue to buy enough devices from Apple and apps from the App store to keep iOS with a healthy and profitable market share, even if Android use climbs to 50%+.
its quite obvious there is a lack of experience with android based on certain assumptions/comments, case in point more FUD about fragminiation which ios has more than android, but whatever enjoy the koolaid
linky
My point is there is still a crap load of Andriod 1.5, 1.6, and 1.7 phones still being sold.

Angry Birds requires 2.0, Flash 10.1 requires 2.2.

http://www.handango.com/catalog/ProductDetails.jsp?productId=281476&platformId=80

So with the growing Android market share, how much of that market share is able to play Angry Birds, and how much of that is 'dumb' smartphone wannabes ?
 
Are those price differences accurate for Chicago? Is there really no iPhone plan for less than $70+ a month?

I think you can get an iPhone plan for $65a/mo, but that includes no texting, 200mb of data, and 200 minutes.
 
Verizon

Once the iPhone hits Verizon, iOS sees everything else in its rearview mirror.
 
its quite obvious there is a lack of experience with android based on certain assumptions/comments, case in point more FUD about fragminiation which ios has more than android, but whatever enjoy the koolaid
linky

Geeze, if you look at another of my post, I link an article from the end of Nov. It gives more recently updated numbers. I also fail to see how that proves that iOS is more fragmented than Andriod. Angry Birds works on any iOS device (except the tv box) made in the past two years. Does it work on all Android devices sold today ?
 
In what way is iOS continuing to hold off android? All this shows is that android hasn't yet surpassed iOS and that RIM is dropping the ball. What those graphs do show is that this will likely happen within the next few months. Headline should really read: iOS soon to be surpassed by android.

Agreed. I read the same information on a different website, and it painted a completely different picture, showing Apple as losing ground, as a total percentage of smartphone purchases, to Android, WP7 gaining (it can only go up) and BB/WebOS/WM losing.
 
android is outpacing ios and the dev's themselves polled are more excited about android. use a product before you try and pass on fud
Geeze, if you look at another of my post, I link an article from the end of Nov. It gives more recently updated numbers. I also fail to see how that proves that iOS is more fragmented than Andriod. Angry Birds works on any iOS device (except the tv box) made in the past two years. Does it work on all Android devices sold today ?
 
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