Actually Android should be doing much better compared to iOS considering it is on more carriers. It should be no contest in 2012 when iphone moves beyond one carrier.
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iPhone Continues to Hold Off Android in U.S. Smartphone Market Share
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Actually Android should be doing much better compared to iOS considering it is on more carriers. It should be no contest in 2012 when iphone moves beyond one carrier.
lol. as props in "promotion marketing victory and promotion marketing failure" workshops for ceo's and marketing execs?
Google is barely managing, with some 40+ Android iPhone copies (some of them pretty bad), to surpass Apple's one (or at most two) phone(s). And they've had practically forever to do it.
THAT is the real story here.
I'd hate to be a fly on the wall in Schmidt's office when the iPhone moves to other US carriers.
I wonder if Eric throws chairs, too.
THAT is the real story here.
I'd hate to be a fly on the wall in Schmidt's office when the iPhone moves to other US carriers.
I wonder if Eric throws chairs, too.
I really couldn't care less when Android takes over iOS. I choose the phone and OS that's best for my needs. If I cared about market share I wouldn't have a Mac.
One things for sure though. I don't think there will be one dominant OS in the mobile space. It's going to be more competitive than the PC market.
One things for sure though. I don't think there will be one dominant OS in the mobile space. It's going to be more competitive than the PC market.
Latest GfK numbers show that in Q4/10 about 10 million iPhones were sold worldwide and about 28-30 million Android phones. So are you suggesting, that the iPhone will sell 3 times better when it comes to other carriers in the US? I highly doubt that.
Android phones(!) currently sell out ALL iOS devices(!) *combined*. The Android phones are doing better than the iPhone 4, iPhone 3GS, iPad, iPad 3G, iPod touch, iPod nano and Apple TV combined. THAT is the real story.
I totally agree with this, when I bought my iPad and my HTC Desire market share had nothing to do with it, I think it's interesting to see the data and how company's compare but it has no influence in what I own
The idea is once Apple decides to widen carrier availability with the iPhone, Hopefully the people that really wanted an iPhone yet had to settle for Android will now jump ship.
That analysis is VERY misleading for a couple of reasons:
1) It includes the iPad, which is not what I really call a "smartphone," since the 3G connectivity is used in addition to the normal 802.11 Wi-Fi connection.
2) If you measure it on new phone sales within the past four months, Android-based phones combined are now out-selling the iPhone 4. This is especially true with the Motorola Droid series, the various HTC phones and the Samsung Galaxy S series phones using Android 2.1 and 2.2 reaching retailers during the course of 2010.
In short, in terms of current monthly new-phone sales, Android-based phones are now out-pacing the iPhone 4.
1) It includes the iPad, which is not what I really call a "smartphone," since the 3G connectivity is used in addition to the normal 802.11 Wi-Fi connection.
2) If you measure it on new phone sales within the past four months, Android-based phones combined are now out-selling the iPhone 4. This is especially true with the Motorola Droid series, the various HTC phones and the Samsung Galaxy S series phones using Android 2.1 and 2.2 reaching retailers during the course of 2010.
In short, in terms of current monthly new-phone sales, Android-based phones are now out-pacing the iPhone 4.
You didn't read what I posted. Did I say the apps, or the contact were hard to move? No I said the application and basic phone configuration setting such as the wallpaper, the application / widget placement on the screens etc...
Try an iPhone swap it is dead simple.
Try an iPhone swap it is dead simple.
Nope. Sorry to disappoint you but I don't want an iPhone.
Next phone will be Windows Mobile. And Android has quite a solid experience. I don't see any advantage in using an iPhone. Sharing all my data with Apple, Google or Microsoft - it doesn't really matter at all.
My hands-on experience with the iPhone has been nothing special and, well, simply is not worth the money - like Google Maps Navigation runs circles around any iPhone based solution I've seen and is free.
I'm glad someone had the sense to point those things out. Kudos to you.
I'm not sure why people get quite so defensive over their phone-buying choice; I might well buy an iPhone in the not-too-distant future but it is difficult for me to justify spending potentially hundreds of extra pounds for a phone with few extra features over an Android-based phone (and, as an aside, missing free turn-by-turn navigation). I'm not certain how I will decide yet, and other people may make different choices - but that doesn't bother me.
At the risk of perpetuating this debate, it does seem that commenters here are ignoring the graph showing the share of sales in the last 6 months:
Not only are more Android-based phones selling than iPhones, but the rate at which they are selling faster than iPhones has increased over each of the last 4 months. While millions of people will switch to smartphones in the next few years, it seems (and research shown on MacRumors shows that it is) unlikely that most of them will be willing to pay the premium for an iPhone and expensive service plan.
The battle over who will sell more is already over, but I don't think it is a battle Apple has been trying to win. The only way I can see for Apple to out-sell Android is to offer a cheaper range of phones but for the reason I mentioned above - little difference in features vs. Android phones - it is hard to see how they can do that without cannibalising their higher-end iPhone sales.
Apple might be better off where it is, focusing on delivering the best and most consistent user experience - and leading the industry.
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Tried that with my wife's iPhone 3GS. Ever read about that nasty battery bug? Really, you should try it.
Only solution to the battery bug: Delete iPhone 3Gs and start from scratch. Yeah, that was a fun time. Don't believe it?
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/728224/
I think people are putting too much 'hope' into the Verizon deal (if it ever comes). Yes, it will increase sales numbers. But other countries with the iPhone on multiple carriers have already shown that this is not enough to 'take over' the market. I love my iPhone, I think it's one of the best phones out there - other people have other preferences and might disagree, fine. The iPhone is also a very expensive phone (both to purchase and the contract), so not everyone can (or is willing) to pay that much (and many people just don't buy Apple). I also don't see the advantage of 'open' in Android - you are still locked into your provider and you never know if or when you will get the latest software update.
For the market share: I think the only people that really care about this are blind Apple fans and Android fans that make more a religion out of this than anything else. I don't care - I but what I can effort and fits my needs. Except for some marketing purpose, I think those companies also don't care: Bottom line is how much money the make - and this is very Apple wins. They don't waste money by creating dozens of variations of the same thing and can streamline to support one design that they support. They sell it at a high price, but enough people are willing to pay that price to make it worth it - they don't need 99% market share to be profitable - they probably make with 15% share more money than all the others together.
For the market share: I think the only people that really care about this are blind Apple fans and Android fans that make more a religion out of this than anything else. I don't care - I but what I can effort and fits my needs. Except for some marketing purpose, I think those companies also don't care: Bottom line is how much money the make - and this is very Apple wins. They don't waste money by creating dozens of variations of the same thing and can streamline to support one design that they support. They sell it at a high price, but enough people are willing to pay that price to make it worth it - they don't need 99% market share to be profitable - they probably make with 15% share more money than all the others together.
I love using my HTC Desire and my next phone will definitely be another Android phone, probably by HTC although the LG Optimus 2X looks promising.
I think WM7 needs a little time to mature and improve before I would consider it.
Agreed. But due to the fact that my next phone purchase will be in April, I guess Microsoft will get its act together by then and offer the next WM7 release.
I'm currently hooked on Samsung as the Galaxy is really really cool. So I really consider an Omnia 7.
No kidding? An OS with with 6 versions on 20+ devices is outpacing iOS. I NEVER denied that anywhere
What in the hell does that have to do with anything? Oh, and link please. I am not denying it, but if I poll only liberal Democrats, I can make Obama look good.
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20100601005374/en/Mobile-Developer’s-Smartphone-OS-Preferences
http://www.maclife.com/article/news/no_surprise_developers_make_more_money_ios_android
FUD???
I posted a link from the Andriod developer website that shows 16.9% of Andriod phones are pre 2.0. How is that fud?
http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html
I see some of the people in the thread link you posted finding certain apps caused the battery drain. I also see some people were taking the phone back to Apple for a replacement. A replacement phone would be able to be restored. I don't see where a wipe and start over to be the only solution, in that thread you posted. Maybe it was for you.
Back to my original statement of there is no way, that anyone can tell me, to fully restore the entire configuration from one android phone to another even when it is the exact same model. HTC stopped responding to my question and Sprint said it isn't possible. This is a pretty glaring over site IMO.
As far as battery life the EVO is no picnic either, if I don't manage the apps that are running manually (yes there are apps for this some are free) it will suck the battery down pretty fast.
Back to my original statement of there is no way, that anyone can tell me, to fully restore the entire configuration from one android phone to another even when it is the exact same model. HTC stopped responding to my question and Sprint said it isn't possible. This is a pretty glaring over site IMO.
As far as battery life the EVO is no picnic either, if I don't manage the apps that are running manually (yes there are apps for this some are free) it will suck the battery down pretty fast.
Once the iphone is available in other carriers aside from At&t, we'll see for sure if the trends change or not. Apple appears to cater mostly for less tech savvy users in their product lineups (you don't have to know how to count to ten to be able to use them). I don't see hordes upon hordes of angry average joes/janes complaining about the walled garden approach to their idevices. So in my opinion, geeks may hate it, but this appears to be the most profitable approach for Apple. It works, millions love it, and makes Apple obscenely huge piles of money.
Add to that the recent report by DARPA stating science/engineering enrollments have dropped by 43% and we might predictably have a USA where the dumbs inherit the earth, people who would happily buy the iphone and not give a flying f*k whether iOS is open or not. The rapidly dwindling geek population could keep on harping that android is much better because it's "open source"; but it won't matter because they're voices would be drowned out by the sea of happy paying people who don't know and don't care.
Add to that the recent report by DARPA stating science/engineering enrollments have dropped by 43% and we might predictably have a USA where the dumbs inherit the earth, people who would happily buy the iphone and not give a flying f*k whether iOS is open or not. The rapidly dwindling geek population could keep on harping that android is much better because it's "open source"; but it won't matter because they're voices would be drowned out by the sea of happy paying people who don't know and don't care.
...or people like me that don't want to tinker with devices anymore. Same reason I no longer have Linux or Netware server at my house.
Good point, dumb people need things simple. People also make the conscious choice of simple. I'd rather use a toaster than build a fire every morning to make toast. The fire is way more functional; for instance the toaster is useless for heating a pot of water or my room... but really I just want toast. I've gotten to the same point with my cell phone.
Not just geeks, general tinkering is on the decline. As a kid I used to disassemble everything to try and see how it worked, much to my parents chagrin. I worked on my bike. When I got old enough to drive I was working on my car every weekend. I don't see that desire in my own children, or their friends either. They are all good students... maybe I've failed to instill that in them.
who's fault besides apple is it? is it HTC's fault for selling to multiple carriers? is it samsung's fault for selling to multiple carriers? fact is android is outselling ios on phones period. Apple had a chance to take this thing over completely and offer some different flavors and choices but failed. can't talk about if's and when's when the now shows the truth
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Apple's fault? Like they failed?
Apple has the number one smartphone in the world.
Apple is number one in smartphone revenue in the world.
Apple is number one in mobile phone profits in the world.
Apple is number one in smartphone sales in the US (on one carrier!)
None of the trends show any of these changing anytime soon.