iPhone Firmware 1.1.2 On The Way

[Swift]

Not useless at all

Um, what's the purpose of this update? Other than making people who have customized their phone miserable?

Oh, so I can make my menus show up in Cantonese...! Way to go Apple!

How about concentrating on delivering some useful upgrades? Like horizontal email/message input, or mms, or that rumored Internet Radio?

In case you haven't noticed, Apple intends to sell this phone in places where they speak different languages, and they have different alphabets. So if it just does that, it's good for the European and Asian markets, for starters. Oh, and it will undoubtedly close the TIFF road to hacking into the phone, which, for most users, is a good thing. Don't update your phone ever again, and you'll be fine. Sort of. But you'll still be vulnerable to a bad guy using the malformed TIFF attack and NOT putting new apps on the phone, but putting viruses or pulling off your personal information and selling it to spammers and fishers. Most people don't want that, but you apparently think that's okay.

Meanwhile, you will eventually have an approved path for 3rd-party apps, and then you could update all you want. What do you want to do?

 

[Swift]

Personally I think Apple has a lot of nerve to continue harassing us in regards to our ringtones. If its not all about profits, why in gods name do they care. Even Steve Wozniak stated that we should be able add our own ringtones unhindered. To put it simply, I see it as all about profits, whether it comes from the RIAA or Apple's persistence in luring us into there damn iTunes store. I applaud Ambrosia, plz keep up the good work as you helping me make up for Apple's lack of decent ringtones on our iPhones. I am not updating, nor at this point do I hear of any specific reason to update, sorry Apple but my phone is working fine.

Don't fix what ain't broke...

What I hear is that Apple wanted to make every single song they sell capable of being made into a ringtone without any further charges, but those rights aren't held by ANYBODY but the RIAA. (And none of that money goes to the artists, it all goes to the RIAA.) Now, the cell industry loves ringtones. They can sell a 20-second snippet of a song for $3.00, and then, with many US carriers, force you to buy it again after 6 months or so, or else lose it! It's a complete racket. But Apple's proposal of free conversions from the iTunes Store to the iPhone fell on deaf ears. They at least cell you the tone for only (!) $1.99, allow you to customize it the way you want, and let you keep it forever. Want more? Use the hack. Apple is not legally allowed to let you do that, but go ahead and hack it.

 

[Consultant]

Everyone who is asking MMS will not see it, untill apple releases a serious update that includes file management. I Believe this will not happen though because it would allow people to get ringtones from other places like those commercials on MTV. MMS will also let people to recieve other files that apple does not want people to recieve. It is obvious that apple wants to control how files are put on to the iphone and will only let files be put on the iphone via itunes. This way they ensure that if you are going to get a ringtone they are going to make money.

... Remember apple wants to make money on ringtones and they want to be the only people making money on ringtones.

Also, I think iChat will never happen because SMS looks just like iChat and apple probably made a deal with ATT since SMS is a very profitable feature for ATT today.

Anyway these are just my thoughts.

Peace

iPhone's email is compatible with MMS. AND IT'S FREE to use.
http://www.iphonefaq.org/archives/97158

You think Apple wants to charge for ringtones? It's the labels that want to charge the $$. On other carriers it's not uncommon for $3 ringtones (yes, more expensive than iTunes and you don't even get the full song).

People can put files via email, NOT limited to iTunes, and also, once SDK is released, you can put files via SFTP.

Currently if you have AppTap installed, there is a nice IM client that looks like iChat, and does AIM, and a few other services.

 

[Consultant]

Looking up support coverage on that serial number (7T742apx...) in the picture:
http://www.t3.co.uk/nested_content/gallery_assetlisting_navigation?root=878469&result_page=3
results in "No info found. Please try again."

Actually, the letters on the S# are not aligned.

 

[metoo6000]

That serial number in the picture: 7T742apx...
http://www.t3.co.uk/nested_content/gallery_assetlisting_navigation?root=878469&result_page=3
results in "No info found. Please try again."

which means....?

 

[Fast Shadow]

All the anti-hacking people spouting their fear and hate sound like neocons wailing about terrorists and mexicans hating our freedom, or whatever the mantra of the week is.

 

[Consultant]

which means....?

Serial from that photo has been altered. It can be a fake photo or perhaps it was done to hide identity.

 

[metoo6000]

Serial from that photo has been altered. It can be a fake photo or perhaps it was done to hide identity.

Heh, I was expecting that you would raise a conspiracy theory regarding 1.1.2 firmware for the UK iPhone.

 

[megfilmworks]

What I hear is that Apple wanted to make every single song they sell capable of being made into a ringtone without any further charges, but those rights aren't held by ANYBODY but the RIAA. (And none of that money goes to the artists, it all goes to the RIAA.)

I agree with your sentiments, but your facts are wrong.
The RIAA does not hold any rights to ringtones and they do not receive royalties from ringtones.
Ringtone royalties are shared by the artists, record labels, songwriters and publishers.
Just like a CD.

 

[overcast]

To hell with apple. I`m using an unlocked iphone and I won`t update.

YEH! Take that you stupid faces!

 

[X38]

I am all for Apple finding a way to prevent people from hacking the phone. I get excited every time there's talk of phones getting "bricked" because the people who hacked the phone had it coming. Apple has every right to fight off hackers with new updates, and I give them my full support in their quest to screw over anyone who tries to mess with their product.

My iPhone is MY iPhone, not Apple's. It used to be theirs, but they sold it to me; I paid for it, that makes it MINE. I don't rent it, lease it, borrow it, whatever; I OWN it.
It's mine now and if Apple screws with it, they are screwing with my property and I have every right to get ticked at them.
What part of the concept of purchase & ownership is so difficult for you to understand?!

 

[jlbrown23]

Can't believe this Cat "N" mouse game, total waste of time.
A fabulous media player, innovative interface, Ha the ultimate PDA.
ALL CRIPPLED. IPOD touch all crippled. This technology has the potential
to change the way we deal with our every-day lives. It could be put to many uses. It seems to me the Corporate GiANTS and I now include APPLE have taken the road Macdonalds and the rest to ...... well GREED.
No thinking Left No thinking right No thinking Different.
So Sad

Amen! That is what a lot of folks are missing here. Everything is there for a world changing device - as big as the original Mac OS, laptop or cell phone - and Apple CHOOSES to PREVENT it being used. It's not a case of the technology needing to catch up to the vision - IT IS ALL THERE. But Apple has CHOSEN to put GREAT EFFORT in to preventing it. Just take a look at the Touch - there are 3 simple yet important apps that Apple has ALREADY WRITTEN for the iPhone that they REMOVED from the Touch(Mail, Notes, Cal). I have all 3 working fine on my Touch - why should I have had to hack it to get them to work?

If Apple is in the game for money, fine - LET ME PAY FOR THIS STUFF!

If they stay too closed, they are opening the door for the Mac OS/Windows debacle to happen all over again(those of us now forced to use Windows at work might remember this from the mid-90's. I don't want to be shackled to ANOTHER vastly inferior product for decades).

As far as the SDK - I am very skeptical. If Apple won't allow Mail & a functional Calendar on the Touch(how much more basic does it get?), what makes you think they'll allow the other apps people really want? Can you see VLC or the ability to download resulting from the SDK? Me neither.

 

[fronheiser]

My iPhone is MY iPhone, not Apple's. It used to be theirs, but they sold it to me; I paid for it, that makes it MINE. I don't rent it, lease it, borrow it, whatever; I OWN it.
It's mine now and if Apple screws with it, they are screwing with my property and I have every right to get ticked at them.
What part of the concept of purchase & ownership is so difficult for you to understand?!

You own it, you do not own the software that runs on it. Big distinction that too many people fail to acknowledge. Remember the license agreement you agreed to when you activated the phone?

 

[salvatorereda]

Itouch firmware

what about putting a mail app in the ITOUCH

 

[drummingcraig]

I agree with your sentiments, but your facts are wrong.
The RIAA does not hold any rights to ringtones and they do not receive royalties from ringtones.
Ringtone royalties are shared by the artists, record labels, songwriters and publishers.
Just like a CD.

Correct. Although I understand the confusion as the RIAA has become the figurehead for the enforcement of the copyrights and licensing.

It also should be noted that the RIAA's members are predominantly record companies and distributors so one could argue that they do in fact collect royalties (indirectly).

Craig

 

[Luis]

what about putting a mail app in the ITOUCH

Won't happen. However you can do it yourself...

 

[overcast]

My iPhone is MY iPhone, not Apple's. It used to be theirs, but they sold it to me; I paid for it, that makes it MINE. I don't rent it, lease it, borrow it, whatever; I OWN it.
It's mine now and if Apple screws with it, they are screwing with my property and I have every right to get ticked at them.
What part of the concept of purchase & ownership is so difficult for you to understand?!

YOU DO NOT OWN THE SOFTWARE. You own the physical metal/plastic/glass THAT'S IT. How difficult is this to understand?

 

[emotion]

Amen! That is what a lot of folks are missing here. Everything is there for a world changing device - as big as the original Mac OS, laptop or cell phone - and Apple CHOOSES to PREVENT it being used. It's not a case of the technology needing to catch up to the vision - IT IS ALL THERE.

Well it's clearly not. When you run those 3rd party apps on your jailbroken touch device you run as 'root'. That isn't sustainable.

I agree that these devices are world changing and I want Apple to open this up too but we have to have some patience here. I mean we don't have a choice but to trust to Apple's strategy.

They have to be careful with this strategy because Google are potentially hot on their heels with a possibly more open platform.


Edit: Google have announced their plan: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7078921.stm

 

[drummingcraig]

*BOLDING MINE*

Just take a look at the Touch - there are 3 simple yet important apps that Apple has ALREADY WRITTEN for the iPhone that they REMOVED from the Touch(Mail, Notes, Cal). I have all 3 working fine on my Touch - why should I have had to hack it to get them to work?

If you read the three words which I bolded you will see that you answered your own question.

If Apple is in the game for money, fine - LET ME PAY FOR THIS STUFF!

Umm...you can. Simply buy an iPhone.

Just because a company develops/invents/builds a feature doesn't mean they have to include it in every one of their products. Imagine going into a car dealership and demanding that they include all of the features from their $60,000 model in your $20,000 model. Apple *IS* after all a business. I don't understand why people are bashing them for trying to make money for themselves and their shareholders.

Craig

 

[izzle22]

My iPhone is MY iPhone, not Apple's. It used to be theirs, but they sold it to me; I paid for it, that makes it MINE. I don't rent it, lease it, borrow it, whatever; I OWN it.
It's mine now and if Apple screws with it, they are screwing with my property and I have every right to get ticked at them.
What part of the concept of purchase & ownership is so difficult for you to understand?!

And you also own the right to update it or not. If you don't update then you have nothing to worry about(except security) If you want to update you are **** out of luck so get over yourself.

 

[Luis]

My iPhone is MY iPhone, not Apple's. It used to be theirs, but they sold it to me; I paid for it, that makes it MINE. I don't rent it, lease it, borrow it, whatever; I OWN it.
It's mine now and if Apple screws with it, they are screwing with my property and I have every right to get ticked at them.
What part of the concept of purchase & ownership is so difficult for you to understand?!

It is people like you that I don't understand.

Apple sold you the phone AS IT WAS IN THAT MOMENT! They never promised you'll get more features or updates, in fact they never promised that if you hacked you're phone it will continue to work with future updates. And if you hacked the phone, you are an idiot if you didn't know the implications it could bring! And yes, I hacked mine and know that updates may kill the phone, but I don't complain because I know the implication as you should also! Get over yourself.

 

[kingtj]

...except this isn't really true!

I've bought into quite a few Apple products, and generally-speaking, they only want to "control the experience" as far as building things so they're not TOO customizable out of the box. (EG. OS X won't let you customize your desktop look and feel in any ways Apple doesn't think are "necessary" without using 3rd. party utilities and haxies.)

In recent years, I'd say Apple is leaning MORE toward being "flexible" than they ever did in the past. How much effort have they put towards stopping hacks of their AppleTV product, for example? Likewise, did you ever foresee Apple allowing their machines to dual-boot along-side a Windows OS, and even writing Windows drivers to make it work more smoothly?

If Apple handled the iPhone like they did the rest of their current product offerings, I'd expect them to warn people that modified iPhones sent in for service wouldn't be covered under warranty. I'd expect them to only provide a limited feature-set by default, consistent with Steve Jobs' vision of exactly what he thinks the device should and shouldn't do. BUT, I wouldn't expect them to actively force everyone into upgrading the phone to a locked-down firmware version that purposely breaks 3rd. party utilities as one of its primary "features"!

That's considerably more "aggressive" than normal for Apple, and reeks of pressure put on them by AT&T, really.

I have no sympathy for people here fretting over Apple breaking their hacked or modded phones. Being on MacRumors I can only assume that you guys all buy into other products of Apple's so you know how much they love to control the experience and maintain that control at whatever the cost.

You bought into the iPhone anyways and now you're crying because you assumed Apple would handle the device differently than usual because of the power of it's software and....oh ****....they didn't.

C'mon now... they've said they're gonna get a SDK for native software out the door in February. So you're getting your 3rd party apps rather soon. If that's not satisfying enough than I'm not so sure our displeasure here is really Apple's problem.

btw...I would love a native ToDo application on my phone that sync's with iCal and Mail so I completely understand the frusteration. But really....

 

[kingtj]

re: You do not own the software

I just have to say, this argument is popular but flawed.
Nobody buys just the "physical metal/plastic/glass" for hundreds of dollars, just because they want that "chunk of material".

They do so because of the capabilities it promises, and that only happens because of the software contained within it.

The developers of software *love* to trot out the argument that "we still own the software, not YOU!" -- but in reality, I think that's only proven to go as far as meaning "YOU don't have the legal right to copy our code, call it your OWN work, and profit from its redistribution."

By a mix of propaganda, paid-off politicians, and lobbying for questionable changes to copyright law, they've been able to win themselves legal enforcement of much more than this. But ultimately, the public considers a purchase of a combination hardware/software product to be "theirs", both to USE and to MODIFY as they see fit.

YOU DO NOT OWN THE SOFTWARE. You own the physical metal/plastic/glass THAT'S IT. How difficult is this to understand?

 

[Luis]

Nobody buys just the "physical metal/plastic/glass" for hundreds of dollars, just because they want that "chunk of material".

More exactly, you "own" the software that COMES with the phone. Everything out of that is given to you.

 

[megfilmworks]

Correct. Although I understand the confusion as the RIAA has become the figurehead for the enforcement of the copyrights and licensing.

It also should be noted that the RIAA's members are predominantly record companies and distributors so one could argue that they do in fact collect royalties (indirectly).

Craig

Now that I can agree with, but you did forget to mention the songwriter and publisher (Harry Fox Agency) they are the most powerful part of the formula.