iPhone Firmware 1.1.2 On The Way

[Compile 'em all]

btw. @ Compile em all

If you cannot jailbreak, you cannot unlock yes? The unlocking procedure requires a 3rd party app on the iPhone does it not?

Okay, this is taking too long really to get across. I will explain anyway.

Jailbreaking the iPhone NOW works without the need for the TIFF exploit. In fact, people are advised not to use jailbreakme because quite frankly visiting a website that gets write access to your phone is not cool. Heck, the dev-team already released a patch for the tiff exploit which is available through installer.app. So Apple patching the TIFF is of no surprise to anyone, the dev-team has put out a patch already. We have been jailbreaking the iPhone for weeks before jailbreakme was out.

 

[emotion]

Okay, this is taking too long really to get across. I will explain anyway.

I fully understand the ins and outs. I'm saying if your device ships with 1.1.2 then you have no recourse to jailbreak OR unlock (as that requires jailbreaking).

(Unless you can rewind to a previous firmware version - it remains to be seen if this can be done).

 

[Compile 'em all]

I fully understand the ins and outs. I'm saying if your device ships with 1.1.2 then you have no recourse to jailbreak OR unlock (as that requires jailbreaking).

If the symlink trick is patched in 1.1.2 then jailbreaking won't be possible at all. If not, then it is a piece of cake.

 

[shadowfax]

I am all for Apple finding a way to prevent people from hacking the phone. I get excited every time there's talk of phones getting "bricked" because the people who hacked the phone had it coming. Apple has every right to fight off hackers with new updates, and I give them my full support in their quest to screw over anyone who tries to mess with their product.

You are, to put it mildly, an Idiot.

That post made me think of a movie I really like, Catch Me If You Can. There's a great scene with Tom Hanks and those two other guys in the car. It went something like this...

"OK, you wanna here a joke? Knock, knock!"
"Who's there?"
[edited for the children ]

Hm, I see you must go to church a lot....

How did any of the 3rd party apps that Apple broke (to prevent threats to present and future revenue streams,) annoyed, harassed, or inconvenienced people? Particularly people like you, who didn't install any of these 3rd party apps (and probably don't know how to, anyway.)

Do you even know what you are talking about?

So afraid of Knowledge, and apparently you've never met her

Man, was that necessary? What do you presume to know about people who go to church. I'll tell you, it's a lot more than you actually do know. Do you actually know what you are talking about? Funny, you probably think churchgoers are such hypocrites.... just like you. Why do you have to be a jerk to get your point across?

 

[macUser2007]

...What do you presume to know about people who go to church....

Hm, it was an illustration of how some beliefs are fervent and never doubted, yet baseless. And arguing with true believers is pointless

Actually, I do know quite a bit

 

[shadowfax]

Hm, it was an illustration of how some beliefs are fervent and never doubted, yet baseless. And arguing with true believers is pointless

Actually, I do know quite a bit

But why is church the illustration? people are indoctrinated everywhere. Primary school, secondary school, university, your job, by your parents... you're just picking on religion. And how do you presume to know what fervently held beliefs are baseless?

 

[neverusedq]

Focused more on iTunes

So we all knew this was going to happen with the new update... but what I think a lot of us are missing is that you MUST HAVE iTunes 7.5 to put it in...


If any of you early "bricked" victims (and hackers) remember, there has always been a way to downgrade your iPhone software via iTunes. So even if things went crazy through the iPhone OS, there were ways to go backwards through iTunes, right?

What if this is no longer in iTunes 7.5? What if once upgraded, you've opened Pandora's box (or rather-- locked yourself in it)? I would be very skeptical of the iPhonisms to follow with both iTunes and with iPhone. We can all agree that iPhone has had strings tied to it since the very beginning and it's no secret that iPhone's the gold mine for the Big .

Mac user I may be, but after being in the world of Microsoft for 18 long years, you learn early in the game:

Never grab the latest update when it's hot off the line...

Everybody tells you everything good about a product-- car salesmen do that. Nobody tells you the hooks on the other side. Never forget Apple's in the business to sell, and they're going to fight viciously for this market.

 

[macUser2007]

...And how do you presume to know what fervently held beliefs are baseless?

I never said they were..., I fervently believe in the resurrection of Osiris and pray to Him when I break bread

Chill, man. You are scaring me, you are at LANL....

 

[exigentsky]

But why is church the illustration? people are indoctrinated everywhere. Primary school, secondary school, university, your job, by your parents... you're just picking on religion. And how do you presume to know what fervently held beliefs are baseless?

I realize you're a Demi-God so this is a difficult issue for you. But please, drop it. It's a separate discussion.

 

[tooshaggy]

jeez.
You would kind of think that unlockers and app'ers are a bigger threat than iToner.
I will not be updating until I hear from Ambrosia that its OK.

Useless updates apple....
get on with the good stuff!

 

[winterspan]

Hackers are a good thing for security!

You're kidding right?

How about teaching thousands of people how to exploit security holes in the iPhone.

Yeah no impact on anyone!

And thats a BAD thing how? They definitely brought it to attention....
Now Apple will fix it immediately instead of having this exploit end up roaming around IRC channels where virus/worm/trojan/spyware/spambot/etc writers hang out and having someone *REALLY* take advantage of it.

Although this is bad for the people who want to unlock/jailbreak their phone, In the mind of people worried about security, It is actually GOOD to have people hacking the iphone to publicly find all these exploits... They are acting as impromptu penetration testers for Apple!

 

[happydude]

agreed

So the cat and mouse game continues...hope people don't take this round of escalations too harshly. As for me, I'm still taking a wait-and-see attitude to the whole iPhone thing...maybe I'll jump on the bandwagon at 2.0

plus it nicely corresponds to my tmobile contract running out!!

 

[Sobe]

And thats a BAD thing how? They definitely brought it to attention....
Now Apple will fix it immediately instead of having this exploit end up roaming around IRC channels where virus/worm/trojan/spyware/spambot/etc writers hang out and having someone *REALLY* take advantage of it.

Although this is bad for the people who want to unlock/jailbreak their phone, In the mind of people worried about security, It is actually GOOD to have people hacking the iphone to publicly find all these exploits... They are acting as impromptu penetration testers for Apple!

As previously stated, but obviously ignored, yes it is good to have people find out that they exist, no question.

It is rather less good to then have this information not only provided but packaged with explicit instructions on how to use it to hack into the phone.

If you fail to grasp the difference between discovering something and bringing it to the world's attention versus discovering something and telling everyone how to do it, well nothing left to be said there.

 

[jamesnajera]

Everyone who is asking MMS will not see it, untill apple releases a serious update that includes file management. I Believe this will not happen though because it would allow people to get ringtones from other places like those commercials on MTV. MMS will also let people to recieve other files that apple does not want people to recieve. It is obvious that apple wants to control how files are put on to the iphone and will only let files be put on the iphone via itunes. This way they ensure that if you are going to get a ringtone they are going to make money.

Also audio recording will never happen or is as likely as MMS. Apple will not allow voice recording becuase then people will try to use it to record a ringtone, and when people record a sound they want as a ringtine but can't set it as a ringtone it will become a feature request apple does not want to hear. Remember apple wants to make money on ringtones and they want to be the only people making money on ringtones.

Also, I think iChat will never happen because SMS looks just like iChat and apple probably made a deal with ATT since SMS is a very profitable feature for ATT today.

Anyway these are just my thoughts.

Peace

 

[chuckles:)]

If the symlink trick is patched in 1.1.2 then jailbreaking won't be possible at all. If not, then it is a piece of cake.

Impossible, Never. Significantly more difficult, most likely.

 

[jokarak]

plus it nicely corresponds to my tmobile contract running out!!

Would it be too much to hope that by the time 2.0 rolls out, Apple won't be locked in with a particular carrier? Actually, I guess not, since AT&T has Apple exclusively for a couple of years more, right? Am I to wait until 3.0? Haven't bought a locked phone since my Nokia 7910 (not sure on the number...the slider phone that came out around the time of the first Matrix movie).

 

[carfac]

Now Apple will fix it immediately...

Apple fix it IMMEDIATELY? Lets see, I have had my iPhone patched against this for two weeks- at least- and Apple may get around to patching it NEXT week? That- and breaking iToner- seem to be about all Apple is done with this release, and they are gonna be three weeks behind the hackers on this one. Yeah, this inspires a LOT of faith in Apples abilities.

At this rate, you can expect Flash in Safari in, oh, 2010 or so. Just about the time the web moves over to FlashUltra or something else incompatible.

 

[Sobe]

Apple fix it IMMEDIATELY? Lets see, I have had my iPhone patched against this for two weeks- at least- and Apple may get around to patching it NEXT week? That- and breaking iToner- seem to be about all Apple is done with this release, and they are gonna be three weeks behind the hackers on this one. Yeah, this inspires a LOT of faith in Apples abilities.

At this rate, you can expect Flash in Safari in, oh, 2010 or so. Just about the time the web moves over to FlashUltra or something else incompatible.

you're a real glass is half empty kinda guy.

 

[michaelsaxon]

Flash... please...

 

[Spanna]

Why not just buy an already unlocked iphone from france, wouldn't that come with the new system software and already be unlocked ?

 

[breal8406]

I have no sympathy for people here fretting over Apple breaking their hacked or modded phones. Being on MacRumors I can only assume that you guys all buy into other products of Apple's so you know how much they love to control the experience and maintain that control at whatever the cost.

You bought into the iPhone anyways and now you're crying because you assumed Apple would handle the device differently than usual because of the power of it's software and....oh ****....they didn't.

C'mon now... they've said they're gonna get a SDK for native software out the door in February. So you're getting your 3rd party apps rather soon. If that's not satisfying enough than I'm not so sure our displeasure here is really Apple's problem.

btw...I would love a native ToDo application on my phone that sync's with iCal and Mail so I completely understand the frusteration. But really....

 

[rezatayebi]

Stupid

To hell with apple. I`m using an unlocked iphone and I won`t update.

 

[Sobe]

To hell with apple. I`m using an unlocked iphone and I won`t update.

yeah! stickin' it to the MAN!

 

[Waynoo]

Think different..........NOT

Can't believe this Cat "N" mouse game, total waste of time.
A fabulous media player, innovative interface, Ha the ultimate PDA.
ALL CRIPPLED. IPOD touch all crippled. This technology has the potential
to change the way we deal with our every-day lives. It could be put to many uses. It seems to me the Corporate GiANTS and I now include APPLE have taken the road Macdonalds and the rest to ...... well GREED.
No thinking Left No thinking right No thinking Different.
So Sad

 

[Stella]

When you receive an MMS, you still have to tell the phone 'Use this file as a ringtone'. Its not automatic. If the iPhone doesn't have this option you just can't use any attached audio file as a ringtone.

Anyway, you don't need MMS, you can send a ringtone as a attachment. Again, in any case the iPhone has to have a function 'Use this file as ringtone'... which it doesn't.

Likewise, for voice recording.

Your theory about MMS doesn't stand up well.

Its not only about AT&T anymore, there are others - Orange and TMobile(?).

AT&T, Orange and TMobile all carry phones that support VOIP... which sell vastly more than the iPhone.

yes - Apple certainly do want to be the only ones that sell ringtone to iPhone customers...

Everyone who is asking MMS will not see it, untill apple releases a serious update that includes file management. I Believe this will not happen though because it would allow people to get ringtones from other places like those commercials on MTV. MMS will also let people to recieve other files that apple does not want people to recieve. It is obvious that apple wants to control how files are put on to the iphone and will only let files be put on the iphone via itunes. This way they ensure that if you are going to get a ringtone they are going to make money.

Also audio recording will never happen or is as likely as MMS. Apple will not allow voice recording becuase then people will try to use it to record a ringtone, and when people record a sound they want as a ringtine but can't set it as a ringtone it will become a feature request apple does not want to hear. Remember apple wants to make money on ringtones and they want to be the only people making money on ringtones.

Also, I think iChat will never happen because SMS looks just like iChat and apple probably made a deal with ATT since SMS is a very profitable feature for ATT today.

Anyway these are just my thoughts.

Peace