iPhone Flash Support In Early Development

[sjo]

I'm not assuming it's certain--in fact I DO think it's possible Apple permanently opposes Flash, already at this early stage (shame that they haven't told Adobe if so). But I believe it's most likely they don't, since I see no evidence for why Apple would want to block it, and plenty of evidence for why Apple would want to allow it.

you don't see evidence for why apple wold want to block it...

My suspicion--seeing as how Adobe hasn't even been let into the SDK beta!--is that Apple is giving Adobe no attention at all. And that this announcement, vague as it is, is partly to keep pressure on Apple, by keeping the public aware that Adobe is at work on this.

but you see evidence of apple blocking it.

something's not quite right here...

 

[Poll Smoker]

They're handled differently in at least 2 ways:

Monkey Ball is 3D, using OpenGL and leveraging the 3D capabilities of the GPU hardware, while Flash is its own 2D vector engine.

Monkey Ball and OpenGL are not made be Adobe. Flash is And Adobe has long allowed Flash to be less efficient on non-Windows platforms. That needs to change.



Yep--a necessity. Both for sites with annoying ads, and for battery savings, and potentially for security if some bug should be discovered in Flash again. I expect Apple would indeed allow plugins to be disabled, just like with desktop Safari.


By the way, if anyone thinks the "death of Flash" (not happening anyway) would be an end to obnoxious banner ads, they are crazy.

The problem is not Flash, the problem is advertisers... and they are the problem that pays for your Web, so they're not going away.

If Flash were gone, advertisers would STILL need to get your attention, and they would do so by other technologies. With the same obnoxious results.

Saying Flash is a "problem" and the absence of Flash is a "feature," just because of ads, makes no sense. Take away Flash and the same ads would be back overnight.

In fact, if the iPhone keeps taking off and Flash does NOT arrive, then sites will start to target iPhones with non-Flash ads. (Sproutcore? Animated GIF? .H264? Whatever.) Using the absence of Flash as an ad-blocker cannot last forever.

In which case, give me my Flash games and my Flash menus and my Flash video! They don't even have to load slowly--that expectation comes from a few bad apples. (The problem there is BADLY done Flash. And any other technology can be implemented wastefully too.)

Translated: If people stop using Flash, I'll be out of work.

It's funny/sad that Flash "designers" defending the use of Flash always point their fingers at some unnamed, mysterious "bad" Flash designers who ruin the Flash experience for everyone.

 

[Mac6272]

Apple needs to quit screwin around and add mms its a joke we dont have it, to all of you who say who uses mms? Alot of people do theres a reason its on pretty much every single phone you buy today, end of story add mms quit screwing around.

 

[pete01010]

They're handled differently in at least 2 ways:

Monkey Ball is 3D, using OpenGL and leveraging the 3D capabilities of the GPU hardware, while Flash is its own 2D vector engine.

Flash 10 will support GPU Compositing.

 

[stevegut78]

get a blackberry... Problem solved LOL had to do it!

 

[batchtaster]

You seem to be assuming also, even assuming that Apple will set aside the SDK License and disregarding that Apple have their own solution for an open source methodology to do a lot of what flash does.

But everyone has the right to their own opinion.

I think what is being said is, give Apple the benefit of the doubt. That is, the same philosophy behind "innocent until proven guilty". Until Apple comes out and says they are actively blocking or opposed to, or replacing Flash, or are otherwise proven to be, it is more fair to say that they have no opinion whatsoever. Rather than that it hasn't happened yet, so therefore they must be opposed. If copy/paste hasn't happened yet, does that mean they're opposed to that too?

For example, they have indicated they are actively blocking unlocking and jailbreaking, so you know where they stand. But when they don't give an opinion, you can't assume one for them.

People love to go to "OMG!!1! [company name] IZ STOPING ME FROM [insert something here]", and propose deliberate, active intervention. The answer is probably far more benign, and even dull. (See also: Occam's Razor and Grampa vs. Sexual Inadequacy)

 

[Rozvagyj]

get a blackberry... Problem solved LOL had to do it!

haha. im switching from bberry to iphone 3g in aug. i think ill live without flash if its not out by then.

but the iphone does need to get copy/paste!