I think it was more the patent issue and them having less time to figure out a workaround than it was the device being thinner.
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iPhone Fold to Feature Industry-First 24MP Under-Display Camera
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They're already making compromises to keep the device "compact." I'm not going to accept this.
Oh I see... you took my "anything in front of the lens" literally.
Fair point. But the camera has clear glass in front of it... transparent glass.
I hope that "clears" it up.
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Yea, foldable phones have really crushed Apple’s business. Their profit last quarter was inexcusable.
It’s shame they have been dominated so much by this huge foldable market and lost out on so much profit. I mean, who down want a plastic screen with a crease down the middle?
How will they ever recover.
Out of all the compromises this device may or may not have, you'd say this would be the straw that breaks the camel's back?
The only use case I can think of for this inner display camera is video conferencing, and unless you're in a one on one meeting you're a small rectangle on someone else's screen, the quality will probably be good enough for that. For selfies, you'd use the outer display's camera or, better yet, the main cameras.
Apple's first foldable iPhone will feature an industry-first 24-megapixel under-screen camera built into the inner display, according to the latest JP Morgan equity research report seen by MacRumors.
Under-display camera technology has been used on some Android phones, but they tend to have lower resolution sensors (4 or 8 megapixels, for example) because the image quality suffers due to being behind display layers.
However, the JP Morgan forecast also suggests Apple has made some compromises to keep the foldable device compact, such as a lack of LiDAR and optical image stabilization.
Apple's foldable iPhone is expected to include a dual-lens rear camera, with a front-facing camera for both folded and unfolded states, according to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo. Bloomberg's Mark Gurman recently corroborated reports that the device will have four cameras consisting of one front camera, one inner camera, and two rear cameras. Prolific Weibo-based leaker Digital Chat Station claims that the rear dual lenses will be 48 megapixels each.
Other sources have claimed that the inner display features an under-screen camera, while the outer display – in the device's folded state – will have a punch-hole camera. Apple is reportedly relying on Touch ID integrated into the side button instead of Face ID for biometric authentication.
FOUR CAMERAS!!! Will the rear have three each?! lol this is insane. The compromises will be significant I think, so while it will be cool to own and show off I think I’ll stick with pro max line and see how things unfold (pun intended)…
There are so many options as far as cameras are concerned, they probably have a zillion prototypes in the lab…outside cameras with punch-hole inside with punch one outside with punch one outside with Under display etc etc…
I have faith with all these options, that Apple has the expertise to choose the correct option…
But yeah I can see me being day one on iPhold but then just return it before 14 days lol
…huge piece is no more Face ID (what camera would get it?? lol), so Touch ID back after saying how much more secure faceID is (at least I think Apple publicly said this)….hmm I always felt Touch ID was pretty secure and someways better (faster to unlock from pocket for example)…
Luckily, those early adopters will be able to count on support and guidance from kind fellow MR members, the way it's always been in this community when someone tries something different. 🤣
Your understanding of business is top notch.
There is a huge foldable market or Apple wouldn't be getting in it. Do you think these companies are making them for the fun of it? Apple sees they are missing out on a huge profit generator for them which is why they are getting into the foldable business. If there was no profit behind it they would ignore it all together.
As a long time Pro Max user, I’m nervous how many compromise this thing will require. Overall I’m still looking forward to seeing how Apple tackles this. Internal screen durability will be the biggest factor for me.
Apple’s first gen products are always advisable to skip, usually the first 2-3 generations as well since fixing issues takes at least 18 months.
Its not industry first, let me introduce you to the year 2020
ZTE Axon 20 5G with a 32MP under display front camera.
ZTE Axon 20 5G with a 32MP under display front camera.
The retina has layers of biological tissue (e.g., blood vessels, interneurons, etc.) in the light path to the rods and cones. This is overcome by fancy information processing (e.g., you do not have a blind spot where the optic disk is located because the nervous system fills in the missing information). Perhaps apple will do something similar to mitigate the degraded optical image.
Still, fancy camera or no, I am just not finding this foldable screen an appealing concept. Flexing electronics is always going to cause problems and I just can't tolerate the crease. I wish Apple would work on an iPhone model with two separate flat screens joined together by an ultra-precise mechanical hinge. Flexible screens should be saved for for static curved surfaces, like arm rings meant to display more information than a mere watch.
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Yeah I understand that.
My point is... not having something covering the lens has got to be better than having something covering the lens.
I have no doubt that Apple will be applying all sorts of image processing magic and machine learning to fix any distortions that come from having a pixel-array covering the lens.
But they wouldn't have to do that if they didn't put a pixel-array covering the lens!
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What am i supposed to see? In 2020 ZTE had a 32mp UDC. So iPhone fold is not industry first to use 24mp UDC.