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iPhone Hack Answered Questions About San Bernardino Attack But Generated No New Leads

In the end:
- those in FBI and government are still in their respective positions with zero accountability
- taxpayers are paying for all of these
- taxpayers are still voting for the same politicians in office
- voters are still defending criminals that are in government
- FBI will simply do another false flag event

Even better, other countries are starting to push actual regulations to force backdoors or some sort.
Game over people. Great job voters. Pat yourself on the back for making things worse for future generations.
 
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I read "hacked iphone answered questions about attack" and I was like "Did Siri told them?"
 
SeaFox said:
Does there exist a version of iOS that has a "master key" feature? There is remote wipe in case of devices being lost, yes. But the point here is the government didn't want to wipe the phone, just access it without the password.

There is only one iOS -- if there is no "master password" feature you can exert over your own children's iPhone there is not going to be one for the government. That's what this whole legal battle has been about.
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The "master password" for decrypting the data on your phone is different from phone to phone. To get the "master password", you need a key that is part of the CPU of the phone and cannot be extracted from it (that's why you can't take the memory from an iPhone and connect it to a supercomputer to crack it), you need another key that is stored quite openly in two copies on the flash drive in your iPhone (that makes it possible to erase an iPhone completely by erasing these two copies), and the third key required is the passcode.

PS. If you want to keep your kids safe while having the ability to unlock their phone while respecting their privacy, tell them to use an eight digit passcode and give you the last five digits. That makes them absolutely safe from hackers; you can then unlock the phone in an hour or two if you _really_ have to.
 
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Its onky a matter of time before US Federal law is changed to make unbreakable encryption illegal for personal devices such as phones and messaging systems
 
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I dont see the relevance that they found no new info. The issue here is privacy/security. if they find 1/10000 that has data to stop a terrorist activity they will justify it!
 
So it looks like it was a big old waste of time like many of us said it probably was.

Alternatively they found something really useful but it is more sensible to pretend they didn't, for what should be obvious reasons.

But neither scenario really changes the problems with what the FBI were demanding Apple do.

Jambalaya said:
Its onky a matter of time before US Federal law is changed to make unbreakable encryption illegal for personal devices such as phones and messaging systems
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Which of course would be ludicrous, because your average criminal or terrorist by definition doesn't care about breaking laws. It would literally only affect innocent, law-abiding people (i.e. the vast majority of us). The criminals and terrorists could continue using whatever encryption they wanted to, because they can't actually ban mathematics and computer software.
 
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Which of course would be ludicrous, because your average criminal or terrorist by definition doesn't care about breaking laws. It would literally only affect innocent, law-abiding people (i.e. Th vast majority of us). The criminals and terrorists could continue using whatever encryption they wanted to, because they can't actually ban mathematics and computer software.
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My 1984 copy of Knuth's "The Art of Computer Programming" describes the RSA algorithm well enough for anyone with a bit of mathematical background to implement it. If you are clever enough to write software but don't know much about mathematics I can explain it to you completely in about two hours. Diffie-Hellman is quite easy once you understand RSA. And with these two you can securely communicate between two copies of an application with totally unbreakable encryption over an open channel.

The only difference is that an amateur implementation will be a bit on the slow side, but even so being able to transmit a few kilobyte per second with an unbreakable 2048 bit RSA key on a new iPhone is not difficult.

There are much more efficient algorithms, but they need specialised and hard mathematical knowledge, making it possible for an implementation to have bugs that can be exploited. RSA and Diffie-Hellman are mathematically simple and can be completely understood by an amateur.
 
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I can't help but think that Feebs did not in fact break into the said iPhone but claimed that they had because then they wouldn't need Apple to do for them and thus they would save face from having failed to convince the legal machinery to force Apple to do the dirty (which they couldn't anyway). They were not given what they wanted and so have now claimed that they didn't need it anyway. No surprise nothing was found because 1. they did not crack the phone and 2. it wouldn't have had anything anyway.
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Conspiracy theories are not the way to go. They generally aren't true. An investigation like this has many many low level guys who you would have to wrap into the conspiracy in order to pull it off.

They cracked the phone. There have been several believable reports about possible ways to crack this phone. The key is that these means are slow and require expertise. So they are not super valuable to the government since they will only be used in extreme cases, like this one. These methods are apparently too cumbersome to assist in general widespread incarceration efforts. You know the kind of efforts necessary to maintain a 2 million plus prison population. The backdoor to iOS was going to make the governments police efforts easier. This process isn't.
 
So, Apple is still taking the FBI up on the encryption ? no point in perusing this any longer..

If the FBI never cracked the phone, why would this all be a lie ?
 
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garirry said:
If FBI found something (pointless)
"See Apple? We CAN stop terrorists by finding stuff on the phone! NOW GIVE US THE BACKDOOR!"
If FBI found nothing
"Ah, well... There are probably other terrorists hiding stuff on their phones. NOW GIVE US THE BACKDOOR!"
And this will continue forever...
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And for whatever reason FBI just WANT A BACKDOOR, no matter the cost.
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That's what's ironic about these ridiculous responses. We're defending our rights, not Apple. Apple just happens to be on our side on this and they've received a lot of support because of it.
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Plus a maybe significant PR boost for Apple. Although, this PR boost may not be able to help Apple from selling more iPhone.
 
lol all that for nothing. imagine if they still went through court against apple how stupid they would have looked, even more.
 
SeaFox said:
Does there exist a version of iOS that has a "master key" feature? There is remote wipe in case of devices being lost, yes. But the point here is the government didn't want to wipe the phone, just access it without the password.

There is only one iOS -- if there is no "master password" feature you can exert over your own children's iPhone there is not going to be one for the government. That's what this whole legal battle has been about.
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It is my understanding, that the corporate deployment tools allow the corporation to manage the phone. I can't imaging deploying iPhones without the ability in a corporate setting to backup, restore, or change the password and the phones data. That would be a support nightmare.
 
Porco said:
The criminals and terrorists could continue using whatever encryption they wanted to, because they can't actually ban mathematics and computer software.
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Yeah, USA bans theirs, but they can just create their own, and then, how would they crack their own encryption? Who would they blame to?
Maybe, some people think USA=World and World=USA. Anything in between should be removed whatsoever.
 
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Well, I wonder what the reaction here would have been had something like 9/11 happened again, and 2 weeks later the feds hacked the iPhone and found all the evidence that would have stopped it?

Anyways, I agree that Apple should not give tools to unlock their phones, but the fact that the feds could break into the iPhone anyways is WAY more concerning to me then the fact they found nothing of interest.
 
JohnApples said:
I love the "positive" spins they're trying to put on the fact that there was nothing of interest on the phone.

"We found nothing, but good thing we hacked this phone or we'd still be wondering!"

Reminds me of my paranoid ex girlfriend who I would catch snooping through my phone from time to time, and she'd always defend herself with 'I just needed to know if I had anything to worry about!'
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that's when you say b***h you are crazy and you need to be medicated.
 
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